Is Obesity Is A Symptom?

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Summary Snip
00:52 Introduction
03:37 What pharmacists really do
02:07 Drugs are only approved as an adjunct to diet and exercise
03:20 Food Substances
04:00 The Minivan and kids meals
05:47 The Castro issue in the 60″s and the shift from sugar cane to HFCS
06:53 What is ATP – adenosine triphosphate
08:30 the assembly line analogy to energy production and what is happening when our nutrition isn’t there
10:47 This is the cure to all disease…
14:19 Life is good, but how do you get better than great?
15:03 Obesity is a symptom but not the problem
15:25 When is a slow metabolism an asset?
15:50 The environment will change your genetics
16:22 We have a deficiency in plant, movement, and love, etc.
16:38 What is killing our microbiome?
19:12 How some medications alter acid production in the gut
19:30 the strategic marketing in the 40’s that health came in a pill bottle
20:08 Pharmacology and medications have their place, but…
21:23 Are we hosting the microbiome or are they hosting us?
21:41 When we eat, we are feeding them, not us
22:22 What is the difference between feeding the microbiome fiber and sugar?
25:45 Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride’s take on Soil in the farmlands and the soil in our body
29:56 When is the right time for antacids? What is the alternative?
35:01 Aloe vera for acid reflux
35:30 Enzyme Demonstration using capsules and oatmeal
36:05 recommendations for people with acid reflux
36:38 circadian rhythms of acid production
38:00 how do you know if your bowels are working properly?
40:09 Inflammatory bowel and leaky gut causing autoimmune disease
41:05 Why would the body “open the gates” causing leaky gut?
42:25 Address analogy of antibodies, antigens, and autoimmune problems
47:15 What is your favorite testimonial related to what you do?
50:25 Where is the best place to buy Obesity the modern famine
50:15 How the individualize coaching works

TRANSCRIPT

Now I’m a pharmacist They have their place. They have their place. I’m the expert with pharmaceuticals and the in the right use…they absolutely can be lifesaving…I’m not against drugs but I am against people needing them.

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…Today’s guest is Doctor Kathy Campbell, a pharmacist and author of obesity…The modern famine which is based on her popular TEDx talk. Doctor Kathy thank you so much for joining me on the show I’ve been digging into your book already quite a bit I love it. Great Thank you Thank you You are exceeding my expectations…And especially because I didn’t know what I was gonna get I’m realizing wait a second This is a…pharmacist…which means you have a lot of training in medicine and…yet you are helping people by teaching them what real food is. Yeah. Yeah. Well and what people don’t realize we have a lot of training in chemistry and metabolic function, and we manipulate it We’re trained to manipulate it with pharmaceuticals. And I’ve been a practicing pharmacist for thirty two years in one town so I have four generations that I have had the great privilege to actually serve. I didn’t want them to be sick and I was very clear that the medications we were giving them weren’t having them reach the kind of health that I wanted So I started looking deeper into those metabolic processes. And people don’t realize drugs are only approved as an adjunct to diet and exercise. And so instead of just looking at pharmacology…I look at food pharmacology…pharmacology, and the hardest one believe it or not and you’ll appreciate this is stress pharmacology. And so I am going deeper into those metabolic systems and then trying to at least give them good foundational function. And the way to get those chemicals is whole food. That’s how we evolved. And so I’m teaching not only my patients to do that but I’m trying to communicate that to my profession as well. And that’s what I love about the discussion that we’re having right now because this is not gonna be anything new to my audience but it will be presented from a different perspective…with new terminology which is gonna open up even more understanding…to them and help them know all the more why they should be seeking out real foods. And it’s funny because even in your book I remember reading a sentence and it said foods with quotation marks around it, which…a lot of people don’t under stand the things that we perceive as food isn’t really food Hence the quotation marks. Yes Yeah I call them food like substances. And we’ve actually been groomed by Wall Street to accept…these chemical experiments…that taste good and are packaged and are shelf stable we’ve been groomed to think that that’s really what humans eat And the shift really happened in the eighties. But like I said in the book the big shift started when we went from hunting and gathering to agriculture…That’s when we started narrowing the spectrum of chemistries coming in our body. that was about fourteen thousand years ago but in the eighties, What really happened is one the Chrysler Mini ban So we now had a structure for eating on the go. That was the first vehicle designed to eat in. But then those children of the eighties were started to be marketed as a kids meal You and I did not grow up with kids meals We grew up with a protein starch and a vegetable and that’s what our parents had We might have had a smaller portion. But there was never this specific kids meal…which there is today nuggets and fries pizza…mac and cheese, hamburgers. And then the adults of that generation…that’s what they think humans eat And so that grooming and that shift I think has been catastrophic. Yeah We’re from the same generation I was born in the late sixties and…in the seventies we actually had milk delivered to our door The milk truck would come around. And if you didn’t use it up in a certain point of time it would it would spoil…which we know that well that could have been infused with good bacteria and actually turned into a superfood. Yeah. but it made even better. But it’s funny how things have changed You are right. In the eighties this Ultra processing, that was the also a big shift from the genetically modified…corn, which is making its own pesticide and herbicide resistant, they had so much corn funded by the government We had to find something to do with it and they started making…high fructose corn syrup out of all the excess corn that the government was, funding And all of a sudden we have new recipes in our Coca Cola and things are changing We’re being put on all these high sugar diets.…Well one other thing you may not seen in some literature is with the castro issue in the sixties, all of a sudden access to sugarcane shifted. So there was also a economic demand for a different kind of sweetener…that occurred And that’s really where some of the development of the high fructose corn syrup came But then the subsidies on corn, the farm embargoes and all that stuff that was a massive time of industrial and economic shift And, of course make more food And then you look at the metabolism of fructose…One of the things that’s unique to that chemical fructose is that when you eat it, it increases hunger. So you actually in how it’s metabolized you actually want more. it doesn’t happen with glucose, but with fructose there is actually a dip in ATP…that drives the animal to try to eat as much of it as possible. Well that’s a recipe for obesity. It really is. Yeah And give us a brief summary of what ATP is. Oh yeah ATP is the battery pack of life It’s called adenosine triphosphate. And our bodies, if you look at it it’s a little chunk of DNA called an adenine. It’s a little sugar called a ribose and then it’s…three battery packs which are called three high phosphate bonds and they’re really high energy so they’re hard to break apart. But our body uses that energy to actually…think and beat your heart, and we actually have to utilize…We use our body weight in that little molecule every day. And so if you don’t make enough of these battery packs, you don’t have life. And it’s an exquisite you know I say we have cellular factories and those are called mitochondria. And every fourth grader learns that the mitochondria is the power pack to the cell. and so…you’ve got to have a cell that has healthy and happy mitochondria. And then those mitochondria within them they have assembly lines. And so these assembly lines have just like a Ford factory nuts and bolts and tires and all these minerals because you’ve got to go through these chemical reactions…to take glucose or some other macro…down the assembly line to make this critical molecule that is energy. And the exquisite beautiful system that this is if it’s working well you can take one dollar of glucose and compound it down that assembly line to an impressive thirty eight dollars of energy. And that’s amazing…Except here’s what I’m seeing. Nobody has enough nuts and bolts and tires. So these assembly line components are your B vitamins and your minerals and your cytochromes. You’ve got these chemical reactions and If they’re not enough of the nuts and bolts and tires, so instead of thirty eight you might only make ten dollars. Of this energy. Well that’s a crisis for the cell. Yeah. And so the cell sends a message to the behavior organ…which is the brain…and says you need to shut her down. You need to make her grumpy. You need to slow her metabolic burn and lower her temperature because we’ve only got ten dollars down here We gotta keep her breathing and warm. And so I think when I’ve looked at this for my patients…That’s where I start helping them is at that foundational…energy production. And it’s relatively complex…But the cure is relatively simple It’s not easy. But it is those whole food components and make optimizing…the body’s utilization of those nuts and bolts and tires on the assembly line. Does that make sense Yeah It’s kinda like I guess if Henry Ford was putting his Assembly line together and getting the parts from the junkyard…Mhmm. He’s only gonna turn out so many good automobiles. Right. Right I mean, I even often use the metaphor of cooking. Let’s try to bake a cake with half the ingredients. Right? You’re gonna get something, but it’s not gonna be optimal. Or you can cut the recipe in half and you might get half size You see So the body adjusts…magnificently i mean I’m always in awe of beauty and the magnificence of our machine. Right. And it’s complexity. And unfortunately with complexity…It’s hard to scale complexity…So medicine, we like to make it as simple as possible Here’s a pill. And it’s just…it’s not it’s so complex. The actual cure is actually what you’re talking about. Which is relatively straightforward which is each seven to ten cups of vegetables nice protein, make sure your gut’s able to absorb them, chew them, All these things are relatively simple but they’re increasingly difficult given our culture. Right So…We’re gonna dig into that gut stuff in a little bit I wanna know though, at what point did this become important to you And how did you end up in pharmacology…pharmacy you know when you’re young, now I’m in my twenties or my eighteen and I’m going to school I really liked science. Really liked science I like thinking that way, but I also liked taking care of people. I was really good at customer service I mowed lawns I did all that stuff as a kid. And so when I went to college I knew I was gonna get some degree in either my mom suggested pharmacy I thought well it sounds like something to explore. Pharmacy or medicine And I just went along that line and my penchant for science…really worked in that field. I also had had a lifetime…study of obesity myself. So nineteen seventy two I’m a five year old that weighs a hundred pounds. There weren’t very many of us at five years old that weighed a hundred pounds. I was part of a morbidly obese family that was multiple generations of morbid obesity I had a three hundred and fifty pound grandfather in the great depression. So…and I worked at it We all worked at it We were healthy but we were obese…I knew…over my life of studying this that food was not the only piece of the puzzle…Because the guy next to me is eating six times more than I am and I’m still holding on the weight. It didn’t make sense And I also knew I was really fortunate to be big in a big family that I didn’t suffer from the psychological shame of it. So I could be somewhat objective So you marry that insight and that practice with, three degrees in basic science. And it’s interesting My first degree was zoology…And so I had a lot of comparative anatomy a lot of evolutional science which…really informed me when I was digging in to Alright What should we be eating? Where did things go awry, and what should I be recommending to my patients So that personal journey…led me to, one go ahead and get pharmacy because it’s a fantastic place to serve people. I’m a community pharmacist…and I get to solve problems every day for them And what I’m solving for today…is longevity, it’s proactive health, I want my patients to have a rock-in life for as long as they want at any stage So if I have someone with stage four cancer…I want them to have a great life And so to be a community pharmacist, I am an anchor…to support people’s health and well-being. And it’s been a perfect place to do that. I don’t know if that answers that I mean there’s a lot of challenges in our current health care system and there’s definitely that within pharmacy right now as well. Yeah it answers it and you also…kind of revealed who you are in that when you were talking about you want them to have a beautiful life. I heard you…say on your Tedx Talk that…My life is no better. My life is great It was great before. Yeah But life is a lot easier not carrying around a hundred and fifty extra pounds. Yeah. Your outlook, your life is a joyful life. And now it’s easier…how do you get better than great already…Well, you contribute more. You…you dream more you experience…more and you have the energy to do that. Right? You don’t have to worry about a seat extender when you get on the plane. Your feet don’t hurt as much So carrying around a hundred and fifty pounds has its own burden and challenge. And I always say obesity is a symptom It’s not the problem It’s incredibly problematic. Right? It’s not good for the knees. It can have its own hormonal dysfunction. I get that. But until we start seeing it as a symptom of these underlying drivers, I don’t think it’s gonna be fully, recognized for what it really is which is a symptom of the body’s survival. Yeah It’s interesting because some people probably think they’re victims because they have slow metabolisms. How and when is that actually an asset? Oh my gosh. Whenever. there’s no food around I mean when there’s an actual famine having that genetics, can be phenomenal. But what we know about genetics is they’re exquisitely…adaptable to the environment. Right? So if we change this is the beauty of it and this is the dials I help my patients grab onto. The environment will change your genetics. And so if we can craft an environment or what I call a culture, that produces a different outcome. And that’s what I have people assess is alright what’s going on in your life that’s really having your body respond this way? And it’s rarely a deficiency in a drug. It’s rarely a deficiency…in a drug If anything and like I say in the book there’s some fundamental chemistries that we are completely lacking And the whole book is looking at those. we don’t need enough of the right stuff. We don’t move enough I think there’s a fundamental deficiency in plant and movement…and love and connection. And so I talk about all that. Yeah. let’s talk a little bit about gut health and where things are going wrong with the food the chemistry, that we’re eating And when we’re talking about the chemistry we’re eating, obviously, You mentioned it in your book the the pesticides herbicides and fungicides the chemicals that are going into the food. Which are forms of antibiotics of course you’ve talked about antibiotics also. But these chemicals in…food are…antibiotics even preservatives are against life They are there to kill And you talked about consuming these things and essentially feeding them…to our microbes…Right our gut How does that work?

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Well the toxins that we are consuming and I include pharmaceuticals I consume actually most of like even if it’s natural toxins like hemlock or any of those things I mean they’re intuitive to they they disrupt the optimal biologic function. and that for years we were told that some of the pesticides and the glyphosate didn’t hurt humans right? Well, except that the bacteria in our gut actually create a huge proportion of the critical chemistries…that our bodies need to function. And they function a lot like the plant. So when we are killing the plant, and we put this into our gut We are literally dismantling our chemistry…microbiome factory. And so that’s part of it And then we’ve got…impacts on digestion…just something as benign as a Benadryl and an anticholinergic and a histamine. Alters acid production…in the gut But nobody’s telling you this Right? and so pharmaceuticals…in the forties…there was a strategic marketing that health was in the pill bottle and at the doctor’s office. And in reality we don’t know that And we actually it’s nothing farther could be from the truth, but that’s what the society was groomed to think from a marketing and business standpoint. And most drugs are not fully vetted generations out. So that’s a real concern to me as well The drugs currently are vetted for the individual is it hurting or helping the patient that’s consuming it? But we don’t know what happens to the second or third generation So These chemicals are increasingly…disruptive…to optimal function

And so I try to really create the conditions to delay the onset of disease or delay the progression. And if I have somebody who needs hypertensive medicine I’m gonna optimize that Minimize any…negatives…And I’m gonna do with diet, exercise every other component that I can so that they don’t have a stroke and need those medicines…Right? So it really is in a proactive health model it’s…trying to…really address the drivers of these conditions and not just wait till we can have a diagnosis and go to the doctor and take a pill. And I see that at every stage. Yeah Yeah. as we talk about the microbiology, I like to…explain that when you eat you’re actually…feeding them not you…Are…We hosting the microbiome…or are they hosting us? They’re hosting us. They’re hosting us I mean and I asked that question to my patients when I communicate this I said, they are hosting us because when they’re not happy, we’re not healthy. And so I think it’s really important for us to start relating to what goes in our mouth as feeding them. And we can see that with all the butyrates and the short chain fatty acids and the fact that these bacteria love fiber. They love fiber And if they don’t have fiber, they start consuming you. Right They start degrading that protective lining in the gut so they need really good stuff to eat, and it’s not diet soda. It’s not that That actually hurts them. And so, yeah it’s exactly it They’re hosting us for sure. Well I I like the way you put that what’s the difference between feeding them fiber and feeding them sugar? Well I always say that the sugar feeds the bullies and the bad guys and the fiber feeds the good guys. and you know there’s so many ways to approach what is an optimal diet. And I have been studying it for fifty years personally…And it’s everybody’s very unique. Because different genetics may be more prone to having different things that work better…But when you look at the different diets what was interesting about some of the research is that you live longer eating beans eating…whole grains You just live longer And so to me if my game and my outcome is a long and healthy life, I had to look at that Blue Zone Research Mediterranean research. But what was interesting about potato…and tubers…is that the good beneficial…bacteria…thrive when that is present. So this whole thing of never having a potato first of all I don’t think that’s a life worth living. But the bacteria the good guys love it and they thrive. Now, again there’s diff it’s balance in this and it’s not an all potato diet. It’s not an all…spinach diet our bodies evolved with this cornucopia of chemical selection…based on the season. Right And so I think the body needs a representative of all these magnificent nutrients…And they’ve identified over twenty six thousand different chemicals in foods. Which one’s doing it…I don’t know that we can even figure that out, but I do know the more variety I give the body in whole I’m not a fan of even once you dehydrate, once you do start changing the whole food, Some of these chemicals are so ephemeral they disappear. And so that’s to me why it’s so important to get that baseline bucket of nutrients every day into the body to give the body a chance…at having what it needs. Yeah I think it’s amazing that we have a list of twenty some vitamins with their recommended dietary…intake Yeah But as you wrote in your book about garlic having I believe it was over twenty three hundred…chemical compounds in it. Okay Well how much are we supposed to get of all of those? We’re not gonna get it in a vitamin bottle unless they’re full of concentrated foods…dehydrated food sources. And even then that changes So I’m with you I mean I think I tell my patients…we have to get the food as right as possible. That’s the first step. Just to try to replicate and again we’ve been groomed to think that health is in a pill and it’s…and that extrapolates into the supplements as well I mean I supplement and I supplement responsibly as a pharmacist anything going in my patient I’m critically responsible for. And it’s not that I don’t use that But I’m I don’t I tried to really impart on this This doesn’t get close to what food can do. We’ve got to work on that And when I help people do that, they get it because their function improves a bunch. Yeah Yeah. Doctor Natashia Campbell Mcbride, in one of her books she was talking about soil. And how the soil is dead. So now, farmers need to add nutrients…to it. In the form of fertilizers…But if things were in their natural and the farmlands were not covered with pesticides herbicides and fungicides, killing the microbiology…in the soil, then they would be turning the things over and fungus would grow on trees that fell down and…amoeba and bacteria would be consuming and worms are in there and they’re pooping. And the animals are eating the stuff that grows out of the ground and they’re pooping. And they’re making…soil. Now, healthy soil…We are doing that inside our guts Our microbiome is turning what we have prepared by chewing it all up and working some of the enzymes…into it We swallow it. And it goes down into this acid bath to get somewhat sterilized and then push down where the…enzymes continue to work on it and the microbiology goes to work, making soil. So that just like in the farmlands where the roots of the plants are sinking into the soil the roots of our intestines can sink into the soil that we make through that…digestive process that involves the microbiology making the soil…And it’s…such a perfect parallel because we could spray the farmlands and kill everything, killing the soil. Or we can eat those things killing our soil. Mhmm And now we need…fertilizer We need supplements…Or we can continue to…seek out real food real nutrition…so that our bodies have what it needs not killing it off…Yeah It’s a it’s that’s a beautiful explanation…Of what we need and and how we’ve messed it up…and how it’s multifactorial…And it can be a little overwhelming for the patient. If you really dig into that but I…, what to do isn’t as important as how to figure out how to do it. And so that’s where I coach people…to get back to those basics. And they often will say well what about the quality of the vegetable Or I said what? Do what you can. Do what you can where you can And if that’s…a canned green bean okay that’s better…Than something else. Right. now could you grow it if you want extra points Yeah Let’s let’s grow some things I’ve got a little, planner box out in front of my pharmacy and we grow vegetables this time of year and and herbs And and I do that to really reinforce for my patients the value of these chemistries…these food chemistries. But again do good better best. And what we find is when that starts interrupting like this ultra processed food or start getting more of those nutrients in there is a direct improvement in function that the…patient sees. And then they begin to correlate those actions to oh, This is how I should feel normal. I think we’re so…separate from what normal or optimal is anymore We don’t even know what optimal function looks like because we’re so conditioned to, poor function. Right I’ve seen what happens when you give young kids in school and, Sunday class…crap snacks…Mhmm And then they get crazy. Mhmm. When the food is making you cuckoo, have a low mood be irritable or depressed…It’s not real food. Right. Let’s talk about the pH because part of that digestive issue…is the acidity in your stomach and it’s important and a lot of people are having…heartburn…acid reflux what’s going…wrong…When do ant acids have their place and what should people be doing about it? So we’re supposed to have a bowl full of acid. Of battery acid in the middle of our stomach I mean in the middle of our body And the that that role for that battery acid is really important First of all it does kill pathogens on the first path Right? But our body is also…exquisitely…prepared…for that battery acid in an optimal system. Now…rocks come into our body. Minerals come into our body magnesium…iron the zinc These are rocks. And they have to be bathed in an acid bath for them to turn into a form that can be absorbed later. So…I think for me one of the most primary reasons you need acid is to start transforming…the food into the basic building blocks of life. protein has to be bathed in acid to start being cleaved into universal or it’s it’s pieces of amino acids so that the body can absorb amino acids, take them utilize and rebuild you and repair you and create all these functioning chemicals that you need like DNA those little things like that proteins. So acid is…it’s not the first step in digestion actually thinking about food and finding food is part of that digestive process. Chopping food cooking food. All the time you’re doing that your body is preparing…the acid bath It’s preparing the enzymes it’s salivating you’re starting this whole process. And so acid is critical…for…preparing chemicals to be absorbed for utilization…We’ve messed that up. even just A lot of people will have acid reflux, and it’s often because the muscular gait at the top of the stomach at the lower part of the really fragile unprotected esophagus, that gait has to be really tight It’s a tight muscle. But if it’s loose…the acid will sneak up and cause a lot of the reflux that we’re seeing Well what causes loose gates? No magnesium…no minerals that actually help that muscle contract So it’s this vicious cycle…of…Let’s assume you even take in magnesium. You don’t have the acid to fully absorb it and then you become deficient at the cellular level. You it’s this vicious vicious circle. Yeah. Then you look at our cultural diet and there are things that directly loosen up that gate. And so it is painful to have acid burning your esophagus…I get that. But that is again symptomatic some underlying things that if we address and not just turn off the acid, which is the pharmaceuticals approach…which we know now is catastrophically…bad for longevity especially the one class called the proton pump inhibitors…If we just turn it off then we end up with some massive cellular starvation, I think, because you don’t get those minerals and you’re not absorbing optimally protein. That’s even assuming if they’re coming in the diet. So your ability to even fully utilize those things is compromised so acid is critical…for optimal function.

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Yeah. One of my main products, in Haley Nutrition is aloe vera And people are actually using that so they don’t need to take their proton pump inhibitors. I have no idea how it works…But I know people are getting great results…When it comes to the acid reflux I like to suggest before medications, there are things you can try, chew your food better? Get those enzymes worked into it One of the best demonstrations I’ve ever seen was from doctor Andrea Hazim about twenty years ago. In this class that I attended she made a bowl of oatmeal, and she opened up some fruit and vegetable powdered capsules and that had digestive enzymes in them sprinkled it on the oatmeal and we watched it liquify, which was a great demonstration on how amylase will chemically…affect the food…breaking down the starches and other enzymes. Yeah. Yeah And understanding that when we eat we’re processing the food we’re working the enzymes into the food with our teeth. We wanna consume foods that have enzymes in them I know aloe vera has a lot of enzymes in it That might be one of the ways it works I don’t know Sure. Yeah but consuming those enzyme rich foods chewing it up probably having smaller meals especially before bed when you’re about to change gravitational positions and where that full belly might be affecting that, that esophageal…sphincter? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And and we have these circadian rhythms with acid production. and that makes a difference too You have a lot of acid produced in the middle of the night And so if you have a low sphincter tone because of mineral deficiency or maybe even a Hiatal hernia structural issue. you might wake up and go wow. And there are and that’s where we may be able to we may need to do some things because with structural changes I often will send them to a chiropractor just make sure that we can’t manipulate that back into place. Or sometimes even a surgical repair might actually in the long term be a better strategy than taking some of these medications that turn off your acid forever. because we know that some of the complete acid turnoff which is what happens in some of these category of drugs,…long term aging just accelerates…And that’s where you get the dementia and osteoporosis…and these diseases of deficiencies…I call them. Because the the cells just don’t have what it takes to recover and repair. so yeah I think we’ve gotta pull in more strategies than just…I mean we’ve got way too much information to just be…believing that it’s that pill that will fix it And we have to take that on as our own being and consumer and managing our own well-being. Yeah I wanna bring this full circle with everything we’ve talked about up to this point, digestion the microbiome…Things not going quite right, causing eventually this inflammatory bowel condition which up here we call it acid reflux, down there we might call it gastritis…Crohn’s irritable bowel syndrome irritable bowel disease celiac disease. We name them kind of based on where they are in the bowels in the gut somewhere between your mouth and your anus If it’s all the way down to the other end we might call it hemorrhoids. Right But it’s an inflammatory bowel condition and we’ll also name it based on whether we think it’s autoimmune or what it is…Tell us about leaky gut inflammatory bowels and the symptoms that people are having because of that. Well I think the first thing people need to assess is normal bowel function And I what I have learned is Everybody thinks they have normal bowel function because nobody compares. And by the time it’s abnormal it’s usually really severe. So…I consider a normal bowel function as one to two…easily past bowel movements that are not loose and they sink. K? And so if you’re having, one bowel movement a week that’s a problem If you’re having ten a day that’s a problem as well because you’re just not able to properly utilize the nutrients that are coming in. Or with the constipation you’re actually recirculating…toxins or holding on to toxins because your body is trying to get those out. And often what I find is with constipation…it is because the muscles of the bowel aren’t functioning one of the reasons is the muscles aren’t functioning well. They often don’t have enough of the minerals to have peristalsis and contraction so we try to fix that They also often don’t have the basic food fiber…chemicals to actually support the bowel. That being said then you talk about leaky gut What is what the heck’s leaky gut? Well usually our body has very tiny gates. That allows these digested particles…through…, the cellular matrix the gates, into the bloodstream. And usually those gates are very tight because It’s a big risk to allow something in that’s toxic. Okay? And then the immune system is always on patrol…I call it the SWAT team It’s always on patrol…trying to make sure that what does get into the bloodstream is not pathogenic…So if you have undigested…chunks…big chunks of protein or polysaccharides or these other things that should not usually get in. The immune system rightly recognizes it as a foreign invader. And starts to attack. Okay? Now why would the body open up those gates Why would they be leaky…Often in times of stress, the body goes okay we need more fuel. We’re gonna let things in and risk…getting that fuel in…and risk being less discerning as to making sure we keep bad things out. So times of stress is probably to me one of the biggest drivers…of leaky gut. And we come out of the womb stressed. Right? And then we have micronutrient deficiency so the system is stressed…And then we have toxic food burden. The system is stressed and you have antibiotics that are directly stressing that barrier function. K So once…those gates open up And instead of being really tight they’re big. The big chunks that weren’t necessarily broken down by the acid or weren’t too well enough…or didn’t get the right transfixed…they get into the bloodstream. And again the immune sees this sequence of proteins…as a threat. And instead of as it attacks that threat what happens is often that sequence of protein is elsewhere in the body. So I say I my pharmacy is at one thirty South Maine. Instead of seeing a one and a three and a zero, It’s gonna see one thirty, and it’s gonna attack one thirty. But what about the one thirty south thyroid? Or the one thirty south joint…or the one thirty south DNA. Well these are the foundations of our autoimmune…inflammatory process that is epidemic right now. And I think the source…going back and backing this up is really paying attention to that gut helping the gates close a little bit, helping us digest…better like you said with the aloe vera and the enzyme…and taking time. I mean, if you go through a drive through you’ve got the food before you pull out halfway down your gut. The gut doesn’t have time to start really chemically processing that food into the small chunks I’m sorry You mean the food like substances…Yes The food like substances. But even if it is a food, because of the pace, it can even be aggravating to these these open up dates. So there there it’s multi factorial and it’s all being caused by the culture. Right? So to me the culture is where we have to address…And we can do it on a macro scale and I hope with this conversation people are looking at that I speak to my senator I do all this stuff on a macro. But ultimately where I think change is…is in the household…with the individual crafting that new culture that can produce a different physiological outcome. And to be honest mamas are really good about cleaning up cultures. So I often talk to mothers about how do we craft this environment…for yourself and for your children and your husband so that…we have a healthy outcome. So crafting that culture so these things aren’t just being repeated, is I think how we intervene. Yeah. That’s really interesting the way you put the…autoimmune…condition…kind of that antibody…lock and key…Mhmm But for the one thirty and the one thirty south thyroid and the one thirty south auto immune conditions whatever it is, whatever part of your body is being affected whether it’s your cartilage your joints your……any Your brain Your brain Yeah Your mood affecting your mood Whatever it’s affecting there’s all these conditions all of these…chronic fatigue and pain syndromes that we barely understand…but it could just be your immune system going haywire attacking things it ought not. But it has to do something to get rid of the stuff that doesn’t belong there because it passed through And as it makes all these antibodies it’s attacking…everything that looks like what I’m made for Let me get rid of that. And we end up attacking ourselves. It’s one of my frustrations with the current medical system I have patients that have been on a thyroid supplement for decades. But doctors have never checked to see if it’s an autoimmune thyroid problem. I actually had one honestly say well it doesn’t change what we do so we don’t check it. And I’m like well you should because if they have that process going on, The research said they’re gonna have three to five…other auto-immunes in their lifetime. And it’s because we’ve got to start looking at…not just the diagnosis and the pill that they assigned to it we’ve gotta really look why is this happening? And I think…if we start looking at like obesity is a symptom and it’s an appropriate symptom. Autoimmunity is a symptom and it’s an appropriate symptom. If we can approach it from that way, one we can acknowledge our magnificent miraculous body. And we might be able to fix what it’s a symptom of and what is the causative from it That just makes so much more sense to me. And so I always encourage my patients that are on any thyroid They’ve been diagnosed that they’ve got to get antibody measurements to see if this is part of the process for their unique condition. And maybe we can head off MS. Maybe we can head off that cancer if we can address this early on. Interesting Yeah MS where it’s actually attacking the myelin sheaths. Yes Yes One thirty south myelin. Yep. Exactly. Well Doctor Kathy Campbell one of my favorite questions to ask…is what is your favorite testimonial…related to what you do…Well I’ve I’ve got several. I’ve been doing this for thirty two years. but I’ll give you one that pops in my mind just recently so I was at my pharmacy counter and I was ringing somebody…up for a vitamin actually. And…he says Cathy do you recognize me And I kind of said well kind of, but I’ve been doing this thirty two years at people’s faces are getting sometimes I don’t remember them as well as I should or could. And he said well I did your program and I’m down a hundred and fifteen pounds. And I was like, I usually remember all the people that do my weight loss coaching which is a twelve week process. And when he told me his name I’m like oh…you did it in the middle of COVID with a mask on and you were a hundred and fifteen pounds heavier. Right? And so I remember that he was really afraid…of COVID and being obese…And so he was taking action to get coaching. And he did my twelve week program, and I did not see him again…But he got the basics of navigating his life, and he kept doing it. So for me my goal is to help people navigate life and figure out their unique machine…such that they can navigate their life in such a way that health shows up. And when he said that I felt I was so excited And I just think about that. Can we…navigate life being well? And I think that’s my goal for that, at any stage. But that hundred and fifteen pounds is just an overt…number sign…to reflect that the symptoms of his obesity…have been altered and are being managed by him Cause I’m not seeing him I haven’t seen him in two and a half years, but he’s managing it And that’s what I’m most excited about Because what I know doesn’t matter about an individual it really is what you know about your unique…machine…and can adjust along the way that will have you have health. And so it really is an empowerment point of view and an education point of view So that was very validating. And I hope he has a rock in life and I’ll probably see him in a year or something Which is great. Now was there any medicine involved in his program such as appetite suppression? No Not at all. No I’m working to get the foundations right and to teach people to do that And it’s really amazing when you get the foundational health. When you give the body the basics that it needs…what the body can do It’s miraculous…Well I really appreciate the time you spent with us today and…I want to encourage people to get a copy of your book Where’s the best place to get one? Well you can either contact me at drkathysays.com That’s my website or Amazon It is available on Amazon and you like it please do a review That’s part of that game So there’s a couple different places you can find me Feel free to reach out though I think it’s excellent I’ll definitely give you a review I’ll make that happen as soon as we hang up here. I’ll put links to pick up those things below the video on YouTube at the bottom of the podcast page with your listening on iTunes. The link will be there You’ll have to copy and paste. They don’t let you click through. One of the sad things But I’ll make sure all the links to your content and make it easy for people to find you tell us a little bit more about the program Who can get on one of your weight loss programs? Well it’s an individualized coaching and I do it I coached all over the United States and what’s unique to me is I do assess the medications and how they’re playing into this. seven out of ten Americans are currently on a medication and they are designed to alter metabolic function And again we don’t pull people off of them. But we do try to have their body not need them by the end of the twelve weeks and then we coach the doctors and integrate with the doctors on possibly adjusting those down. So anybody, anybody who is interested in navigating and learning to navigate their own unique system that’s what this system is about. That’s beautiful. Well thank you And hope to do this again sometime I know I’m gonna Absolutely gonna pick your brain on some other especially when I finish reading the book I’m about halfway through. Mhmm So…alright. Thank you so much Give me a call anytime Thank you for what you do as well…

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