The Virus Model Exposed: Doctor Explains Testing & Diagnosis

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question medical science She is not a doctor, but has become a holistic
health expert known as the Alternative rebel She helps women break free
from conventional norms to reclaim wellness through root cause
solutions.

Go to autumnmclees.com and download your free guide Eight key areas to
naturally take back your health And also subscribe to her podcast Know
better Do better I checked it out today and it is awesome Dr Mark Bailey
has, a lot of initials after his name A lot more than me He worked in
many specialties as a resident doctor and also a clinical research,
trials physician for several years. In 2016, he left clinical practice
due to dissatisfaction with the allopathic medical system Imagine that
He’s the author of A Farewell to Virology expert edition, coauthor of
the Covid 19 Fraud and War on Humanity and coauthor of The Final
Pandemic I went to drsambailey.com Dr Sam Bailey is his wife, and I
downloaded a free copy to a Farewell to Virology.

I see the other books are available there for, purchase as well, so
check that out. Welcome to the show Thank you so much for having us
Thank you I need to set some rules here right now The first rule is. You
probably know Autumn I might Am I even going to be in existence after
this discussion that we have today? Or am I going to be banned from the
internet forever? We’re going to be talking about some pretty
controversial things here I think Right What’s your shifts? Yeah And
this is also kind of funny because, well, we just got hit with, a virus
that I think only happens in the United States, and it kind of created
an hour delay. It’s called DST, also known as Daylight Savings Time
Mark, I think you’re far from here, and you don’t experience that virus
where you are Is that correct? Unfortunately, we have a different
variant down here that we have the same problem where our government
likes to meddle with the, time zone So Yeah No,

it’s the same all over the world. It’s a variation Okay. All right
Because I know that kind of messed with us when it came to getting on
And at the same time, where are you right now? So I’m in New Zealand So
down in the South Pacific and, it’s early in the morning here So we’ve
just had our sunrise Okay And, Autumn what about you? I’m in Southern
California Okay Southern California and I’m in Florida, so we’re in all
completely different time zones That’s, great that we can all be
together here But one thing I wanted to, ask you to do is you both have
worked together before I might be the host of the Dr Haley show, but
feel free to hand the mic off to each other and you know where each
other.

Needs to chime in, I don’t So in this episode, please have your way at
it And I’m okay if I don’t say another word and I just sit back and let
you two go All right Fair enough Sounds good. All right And also, just
Mark, I saw you on a podcast with, Dr Tom and he is a brilliant mind.
Then I heard some of your content, and I read your book that I
downloaded, and I’m thinking, wow, you have a very similar mind like
that We’re going to be talking about viruses What would you say the
benefit to the person listening to this podcast is going to be? More
like the the virus model is so pervasive And I mean, everyone would have
realized that during the Covid 19 era It’s got to the point where this
model is apparently able to shut down the world and lock it It’s able to
create restrictions against freedoms, and it’s very rare during,
peacetime or relative peacetime and

a fear narrative that causes people to behave in ways that are really
quite dramatic, whether it’s wearing face masks or accepting extremely,
risky pharmaceutical products or organizing an economy, in such a way
that it’s destructive to, our ways of living, our ways of being so I
think it’s really important that people realize that, this is a model
and once upon a time had very little impact But in our lifetimes and in
the present era, the thing has spun out of control And it really is at
the point where it brought the world to its knees in 2020 That’s why
it’s important. it best said by, Dr Bailey’s wife, Dr Sam Bailey. The
viral narrative is basically a cover story for lots of other reasons
that people get sick Yeah Okay Now, Autumn, you had a diagnosis that if
I didn’t know better, I would believe that maybe you were sharing
needles under a bridge or something like that Why don’t you tell us
about that? Yeah So, just your, you know, average girl over here.

I was somewhat aware of the holistic lifestyle because I had reversed, a
so-called autoimmune condition So, you know, really shaped up my, my
health and, going to the doctor for some routine blood work had no
symptoms And the doctors basically shared that they, needed to check,
for hepatitis C due to elevated liver enzymes and then came back to
share that. Yes, indeed There was a virus in my blood, known as
hepatitis C Like you said, it’s never been a drug user Never done a drug
in my life, never had a blood transfusion, don’t have any tattoos And my
husband and I, we have only actually been with each other, and he
doesn’t have this So I got him tested.

At first when I believed all of this And, Yeah And so no symptoms, just
routine blood work and labeled with a deadly viral disease that’s known
to attack the liver So they say So, I tried many holistic approaches,
have a laundry list of things And until I found much of the work from
the Bailey’s, some other doctors, like Tom Cowan and Andy Kaufman, and I
was led to realize that they were using these indirect lab tests
involving antibodies and PCR test genetic sequencing. But none of this
is actually picking up on a virus And so I familiarized myself with the
research more and came to this conclusion Now that I have seen it with
my own eyes and looked at what is basically hidden in plain sight that
Dr Mark Bailey is going to share about, that there is no deadly virus in
my blood.

Not to say that my liver might be going through something that it needs
to adjust, but as far as them finding a virus in my blood not happening,
I decided to not take the prescription drugs that they recommend It’s an
$80,000 medication, and I have been on a journey and now feel very
convicted that more people need to understand the truth about viruses.
How much did you say that medication was? Around $80,000 Sometimes a bit
more, sometimes a bit less But on average, you That is crazy I wonder if
I hate to say it, was there some kind of incentive in prescribing? How
does that fit into the whole system? Mark? What do you know about that?
Yeah, well, that’s hit some really important points here.

And yeah, if we come to that point the financial one this is huge So the
medical pharmaceutical industry relies on not only the virus model but
also the, false germ theory model, to bring about so much of its revenue
and influence So on two fronts here One, we have the power over the
public to say that there are deadly microbes, bacteria, etc and also
viruses out there. And people are not in a position like, say, to do
anything about this These are things that only the CDC and the Ministry
of Health and the various institutes around the world are capable of
dealing with And I say, just leave it up to the experts So that’s part
of it, that, brings in a huge amount of,

control and false prestige as well, I would say. And then, of course,
the monetary and financial side of things So as Autumn, points out, she
gets a what I would say is a false diagnosis and that is converted into
$80,000 of revenue for the medical pharma industry And that’s not the
end of it, because there’s also all of the appointments that Autumn
would be expected to go to the various lab tests, some of them several
hundred dollars a pop, and all of the other things that go along with
it. So this is an industry that is so big that most people don’t know
how big it is And the medical, pharmaceutical and associated insurance
industry is the biggest in the world This is a multi trillion dollar
industry So people might think, well, what about the IT industry or the
energy industry or these other ones, you know big that are extremely
big.

But the medical pharma insurance industry is the biggest So you can see
how important this is And you can see why the narratives are so
important And you can see why they get so incredibly upset when people
like myself and my wife in particular, who is known to millions of
people now, why the system really pushes that hard and tries to crush
any form of dissent, particularly if it comes from doctors. What was
your experience, Dr Mark, as a clinical research physician? Well, one
thing became apparent So I was involved for several years, as was my
wife, Sam, and testing new drugs on, volunteers and then patients who
had particular diseases And one thing that became apparent to us was
that none of these medications, these new drugs coming out were of any
use whatsoever.

And, of course, that made us start to think a little deeper and think,
well, what about the ones that are already in existence? And of course,
when we looked into those, we were horrified as well The nature of the
pharmaceutical industry and the clinical trials industry is that they
are so selective with their data and so good at massaging that data that
they can produce a kind of synopsis summary that might be useful to sell
it to the medical professionals. But when you actually scratch a little
deeper and you realize that a lot of the studies have been suppressed
because they’re owned by the pharmaceutical industry So if they get
unfavorable studies, they don’t publish So, for instance, you might have
a drug that do ten trials around the world, seven are not favorable
Three,

or two might be kind of neutral. And one, they claim that they found the
benefit Well, they’ll just pick a couple of those, studies, maybe the
one more neutral one and the one favorable one And people will say,
well, there’s something here, you know, when there’s not And that this
is this is just the way the nature of the industry works So, yeah, for
me to spend some time in that industry, it was definitely an eye opener
and a worthwhile experience. But, my impression now is that the entire
thing should be shut down. there’s no useful drugs coming out of that
industry Yeah There was a, chiropractor years ago in the 50s He said
something like, if you took all the medications known to mankind and
threw them into the ocean, it would be good for mankind, bad for the
fish, extremely dangerous for the fish.

And we’re starting to see this problem Would you believe that even
people flushing medications down the toilet is leading to issues in the
environment? So, some drinking water sources are now found to contain,
traces of pharmaceuticals and, because, yeah, some people have worked
out that you don’t take the prescriptions and, but anyone listening out
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obvious we’re not saying stop taking your medications We’re not saying
that there’s no value in them Hopefully your medication is being used to
buy time while you’re fixing the problem.

Well, yeah, I probably use language a little stronger So for most
people, they could stop most of their medications pretty quickly I
would, introduce some important caveats And that’s if people are on,
psychiatric medications and hormonal type medications that are often not
something that can be stopped instantly So that needs supervision and
care There are a tiny number of diseases, such as type one diabetes,
where we currently don’t really have a way to cure them fully. And so
people may need to be on things like injectable insulin, etc. So but
then fortunately, that is a tiny, tiny number of, cases And you know
what we’re talking about today Things like virology and the falsified
germ theory, we know that all of those medications are fake So yeah,
it’s a bit easier getting people off those ones.

Yeah Yeah Autumn, what was your experience like as you well realize that
you were being directed towards this certain medical path and you
started digging in and saying, wait a second, does this even exist? What
did you learn? And what was the first piece of information that you
found that said, wow, I got to step back and take a different direction?
Yeah So to relate to those listening, as I think many feel in the
allopathic medicine model, you know, at first when you’re diagnosed with
something, you often feel like you’re a victim I felt like something
happened to me and I don’t know how it happened, but something got me
And that leaves you feeling very disempowered The,

allopathic medicine model leaves a very hopeless path for most. And the
only hope at the end of the tunnel is to take a medication which
oftentimes has secondary side effects, other health repercussions So
this is a real problem in my opinion, it’s a real problem because, as
the Baileys have said, you know, it’s almost like a marketing funnel You
know, you have these symptoms that are grouped together, and then
there’s a test that goes with it, and then there’s a medication that
goes with it. And so they have it down pat But are we really you know a
health doesn’t come in a prescription bottle. we’re under the illusion
that they have our best

interest at hand that they’re truly looking out for our health And I’m
here to actually challenge that So as far as me waking up to this, it
was a slow process. I will say one of the first things that I found
because I couldn’t find a whole lot on hepatitis C, I mean, there’s some
information, but it’s very repetitive I started looking at HIV, and I
learned one of the first suspicious things I learned is that you could
test negative for HIV in another country, but test positive here in the
US. And I thought, hold up What? Like this is a problem And so because
they obviously hepatitis C and HIV are not the same virus, but they’re
kind of similar in that they’re bloodborne I thought, you know what, I
am not going to stop until I get to the bottom of this, because this
already shows a red flag and I want to know more.

So continued searching, looking, trying to find anything I could and,
ended up inviting Dr Sam Bailey onto my podcast People can go find that
wonderful episode She wanted to talk to me about hepatitis C, in our
time together And, it was an eye opener. She is the coauthor of the
book, virus mania. And, yeah, just learning from the Bailey’s Learning
from Dr Tom Cowan, Andy Kaufman, these doctors that all woke up They’re
not all interconnected I mean, they are now their friends, but they
didn’t know each other And they all looked at the science and what is
hidden there in plain sight, as I say And so I just I couldn’t deny it
any longer. Right, right Well, Dr Mark, I have a question for you that
is a little moronic because the question itself doesn’t really make
sense, but I know you’ll make sense of it What is the difference between
a bacteria and a virus? Yeah So that both under the classification of
microbes or, you know, some people call them germs In the case of
bacteria, they are real in the case of viruses, they are a model that
was invented in the late 1800s, but essentially bacterial cells, what
you call self-sufficient, if you like.

They contain the blueprints for life They, are little guys able to
replicate that, is able to, do life processes And, so the difference
being two is that we find bacteria in nature, so there’s no problem
There are all over us on our skin, inside us, they are our friends that
are part of our ecosystem. We can go out into the garden, into the
river, wherever we go We find bacterial cells and fungal cells as well
Extremely important But yeah, so bacteria everywhere there are life form
They, contain all of the apparatus If you like to, live and thrive all
they need is, external, sources of food and warmth, etc., just like we
do. And they’re able to, be self-sufficient On the other hand, the
definition of a virus has changed so many times that I actually had to
write an entire paper about how many definitions there are, because it
will vary depending on who you speak to And one thing I found in 2020,
when I asked other doctors what a virus was, surprisingly, most did not
really know.

They had a roundabout idea, but that often talk about it in terms of
illness or contagion or these kind of concepts, rather than the actual
what is the physical entity supposed to do? So essentially, the current
definition of a virus is a tiny, tiny little particle on the nano scale
So small you can’t even see it with the light microscope. And it’s got,
supposedly a protein type shell, with nuclear material inside So the DNA
or RNA, and the little thing is supposed to be replication competent,
meaning that it can’t, reproduce by itself, but it can hijack a cell
such as a human cell and use that, in order to result in more copies of
itself. And it’s supposed to be disease causing So it’s supposed to
attack healthy organisms like, humans and animals and plants and
supposedly cause disease And it’s also supposed to be a transmissible
and contagious particle So once it’s,

done, it’s work with one host that moves on to the next one So, yeah,
but I think for the audience to understand this thing, the best, it’s to
know that bacteria and fungal cells, are real and found in the
environment. And we can study them and we can make them replicate and
feed and do all those kind of things The virus is a hypothetical entity
that was never found in nature Now, that’s really important because
people think, and this comes back to Autumn’s case, that these entities,
are being found and discovered and not only out and about in nature, but
also inside people and their blood, etc., when that’s not the case,
that’s never been the case.

One thing I often say is that the problem with virology is that It
invented itself before establishing whether viruses existed And that was
in the late 1800s, and it has just run away with itself And it’s a model
that has been refuted on every single front So us and other authors have
looked into everything electron microscopy, molecular tests, genomics,
animal studies, human studies, the whole works. Everything has been
refuted And yet they continue to prop up this false model Okay, I have
questions that are popping up right now in my own head because and I
like the term hypothetical entity because it’s saying that we have no
proof of its existence, really But I didn’t know that that hypothetical
entity had been disproven I thought it was possibly still a, you know,
maybe a possibility that it does exist.

has its existence actually been disproven? And if so, how? Yeah So every
single time they do one of their so-called viral studies, if you
actually look at the methodology, it often disproves itself Okay So
let’s take an easy example, a relatively easy example When they invented
the electron microscope in the 1930s, the virologists thought, well,
this is fantastic because now we have the technology to see down to the
nanoscale, and we’ll be able to see the viruses. And so they took people
who they said had viral diseases, you know, whether it was measles or
smallpox or chickenpox And they said, well, we’ll be able to just, find
the viruses directly in their blood or in their sputum and their
secretions There was a big problem, though, because they couldn’t tell
the difference between samples that were taken from people who were said
not to have viral illnesses and people who were said to have viral
illnesses.

There was no way, to tell the difference So that’s a major problem And
there’s also been other, things you can look at, anything from PCR to
antibodies Antibodies are a real classic because they’ll tell you things
like, well, if you’ve got the, antibody to this, then you’ve had the,
disease and you’re protected against it. But then people who have high
antibody levels still get the apparent viral diseases later on, and
they’re not protected from it And I didn’t know that as a doctor, that’s
not the way they trained me, because they said, you know, once you’ve
got antibodies, they protect you for life, etc. But that’s a whole other
topic in itself.

That’s a false model to the immunological model And then we get to
what’s potentially the most embarrassing thing for the virologists,
which is the cell culture, process Now because they can’t find the
viruses directly in nature They do this roundabout procedure that was
developed in the middle of last century, where they take a cell line and
they favor for taking strange ones that have a propensity to break down
in the lab, because that way you can say that the virus caused it to
break down. So one of their favorites is the Vero green monkey kidney
cell This is an abnormal cell line It’s got an abnormal number of,
chromosomes It comes from literally comes from the kidneys of a little
green monkey And that decided that, you know, this is the best place to
see where the viruses exist But the thing about Vero cells is that you
don’t even have to add any specimen from a human for these things to
break down.

So they break down anyway. and people have done this before, like the
former German virologist Stefan Lenka, he was just adding nutrients and
then packaging, which is a technique they use when they do so-called
viral cultures, which is when you culture it for a few days and then
slowly remove nutrients and take part of that cell culture away and add
it to some new mixtures. Anyway, he found that these techniques, the
very techniques that they were doing, were enough to cause this very
same appearances, the breakdown of the cells and the so-called
appearance of these viral particles Well hang on if exactly the same
thing happens with the technique itself.

how is any of this relevant? So on all of these fronts, you could say
that the hypothesis was falsified with those particular, investigations.
Now we’re not saying, yep, that’s fine You can still have the hypothesis
that viruses exist But unfortunately for the virologists, all of those
different methodologies have falsified the model Okay When you were
talking about using the same procedure, were you suggesting that, like,
it was the, you know, you had a system for testing and culturing? Are
you saying that if you did the same procedure side by side, but in one
of them, you didn’t introduce the so-called pathogenic material or
correct, and you get the same result?

You can break these things down anyway Now, what’s happened is that the
virologists have invented an excuse for this, and if it breaks down and
they don’t want it to, they say that there was a hidden virus or a
latent virus, but that’s not a falsifiable concept So you can’t use
that, as a scientific postulate. So you have to go somewhere else And
likewise, if they say that they do have a virus in the sample and
there’s no break down the cells stay intact in that point They say that
the virus is so sneaky that it’s continuing to perpetuate in the cell
culture, but it’s not breaking down the cell And then they will revert
to genetic studies and, you know, PCR and genomics.

And they’ll say, well, we couldn’t find the virus with the cell culture,
but we detected genetic material But the problem you’ll see here, and I
wrote about extensively and a farewell to virology, you can’t claim that
the genetic material is from the virus unless you show the virus to
exist first You can’t start with the genetic material I want to drive
this point home a little bit, because we talked a little bit about
bacteria, and that’s something you can see on a microscope and you can,
you know, put a sample on a petri dish and kind of grow a culture which
is practically an isolated culture of that bacteria. What does it mean
to have to have isolated a virus? Yeah And you’re correct Yeah And
that’s important for people to know that you can isolate, bacteria You
can get them,

by themselves in a very pure form, and you can test things like the
proteins and genetic material, because you know that that’s all you have
in a sample. Now, when they say they isolate a virus, even the virology
textbooks, sometimes I met the definition of, a virus, and I mean, we’ve
had a great time over the years, quoting various virologists, by their
definitions of isolation, because some of them make no sense They’re
completely circular Like, they’ll say a viral isolate is a virus that we
have isolated. And, you know, we’re trapped in this circular reasoning
This is just complete, nonsense It’s not a scientific concept So let me
give you a couple of examples or a few of what isolation has

meant over the years Ebola virus, “virus” in quotes what happened there
was that they took a blood sample from a sick person in Africa, and then
proceeded to inject it directly into various animals, like mice. And if
they injected it into a mouse, they’d say, we’ve just isolated the virus
inside this mouse, And we’re just shaking our heads at this kind of
pseudoscience because we’re saying, well, you had a blood sample from a
human that you put inside an animal, and now you’re telling us the virus
has been isolated or contained within that animal? And we’re saying to
them, you’ve added more variables, not less, that this is not isolation
How possibly can it be?

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items Enjoy the rest of the podcast. One of my favorites was from the
Common Cold Unit, which operated in the United Kingdom for four decades
just after World War II, and the head of the unit, David Terrell, he
there were some kids, I think, in a school, a boarding school. And there
were a lot of cults going around So, Doctor Terrell took some boogie,
some snot out of one of the boys nose, and he put it in a vial, and he
said to everyone, I have isolated a very important virus in this vial.

The thing is, Michael, he carried the relevance to that, and he carried
that around for several years. And this little, tiny little vial And
then in the late 60s, he took it to an electron microscopist and said,
can you see a virus in here? Because, you know, I’ve been carrying it
around for all these years And she just looked around the landscape, you
know, and found a few circular things And I said, that’s a corona virus.
And that’s was a very important point in the virologist history And as
we all know, the infamous corona virus, which used to be just associated
with these common colds, became Covid 19 eventually So these are the
different forms of isolation And of course, the most famous one is the
cell culture that we’ve just talked about And I mean, that’s got so many
problems because they show us,

a picture of the electron micrograph and the cellular debris everywhere,
and then they get an arrow out and they put an arrow and they point to a
little nanoparticle, which or you could see is a vesicle of unknown
significance. Or you could even say it’s an artifact, possibly from the
technique itself But they say, there we go We’ve isolated the virus in
the cell culture And again, you’re looking at it and go that is just
full of so much, biological products How do you know that that’s a virus
or what? What its function is So in summary, isolation that has no
meaning in virology. And, if you see that in the headline and that
they’ve isolated SARS-CoV-2, it doesn’t mean anything It could mean that
they did an animal study It could mean a cell culture The worst ones
You’ll see you might be familiar with websites like GISAID, which are
where they upload,

the so-called genetic sequences of these, alleged viruses. And, there’s
millions of these uploads and they call those isolates So all they are
is genetic sequences So somebody might have taken some sewer water and
run some genomics on it And then of all the, you know, hundreds of
thousands of sequences, they get out of the sewer water, they get their
computers to stitch something together And then they call that a viral
isolate would you believe? It’s a computer image, but it’s a viral
isolate Autumn What were your thoughts? Well, I was just going to say
that, you know, my biggest problem with this is the fact that this
distracts us from actually being good stewards of our health, from
taking a look at what could actually be going on in our health.

Instead, we put blind trust in the men, in the white coats and in
science and I, you know, I did that I was, I was I almost let them
proclaim death over my life So I want to say challenge the narrative
Your body isn’t broken Symptoms are actually your friend’s symptoms are
not the enemy They’re simply your body trying to up and overcome
something. And you know they’re telling a story Get curious Lean in But
there is so much that we need to be aware of And you know, when I found
out that they’re taking my blood, mixing it with chemicals and dyes and
dehydrating it and adding in antibiotics, etc., and they’re calling the
cytopathic effects of that situation, they’re saying that is caused by a
virus.

I’m like, I can’t even believe that we all believe this I mean, why
isn’t more people talking about this? And it’s hidden in plain sight for
any and all to see? I cannot recommend enough Dr Mark Bailey’s Farewell
to Virology for those scientific minds that really want to get into the
nitty gritty of it, go take a look at that. You know, and this so-called
virus We can do a lot of air quotes in this show SARS-CoV-2, Now, the
name is interesting because the beginning part of it would be severe
acute respiratory syndrome And then the, you know, Covid two that’s
coronavirus corona virus, which doesn’t necessarily make sense because
we can’t really say what a virus really is.

It’s all a hypothetical, model But if you looked at it as severe acute
respiratory syndrome, now you’re looking at a group of symptoms Dr Mark,
what is causing these symptoms that seem to be, contagious? Yeah Had a
very important point there, Michael And that’s that that used the SARS
moniker now SARS is actually like you say, it’s a syndrome and it’s
severe, and it is supposed to be reserved for people who are having such
difficulty breathing that they often end up in hospital, perhaps on
ventilators, supplementary oxygen and support, etc whereas clearly they
had a marketing issue and that was even within the mainstream,
establishment paradigm that coronaviruses

one of the joke viruses So like I said, they were a common cold virus,
even though that’s not what they are, but that was their model that they
had And they probably thought if they called it, common cold Covid 19,
people would be like, yeah, it’s not that impressive Throw in the stars
And you’ll recall, back in 2003, we had another, staged, fake epidemic
with, so-called SARS, SARS one, you know, which disappeared, for about
18 months now. Back then, people, they were classifying it as people who
had fever, respiratory difficulties, changes on x rays, significant
changes on x rays, etc. So you had to have pretty serious stuff to
classify, for that The difference back then in 2003 was that they didn’t
have widespread testing available PCR existed, but it was not readily
available, incredibly expensive, and limited to major cities etc
typically.

So, with Covid 19, they had to get the marketing going So first of all,
we saw fake footage, of events that had nothing to do, with what was
actually going on in the world, so called people dropping dead in the
streets of Wuhan, all this kind of stuff And it was really disappointing
to see that people just, you know, bought that story and they didn’t
really ask any questions to say, why did that man fall over in the
street? We don’t know anything about them And, we’ve documented this and
I won’t get into all the details, but many of our publications document
this fake stuff that they were dying, which had nothing to do Most of
us, as you know, around the world, nothing was happening any different
in our cities, etc. So we have to be careful here to separate out the
marketing and the hype and the fake footage versus what was actually
going on, which was people getting sick for, all the same reasons that
they usually get sick for.

So we’re talking pollution, you know, we’re talking psychological
stress, malnourishment over eating, obesity all of these things that
contribute towards ill health The difference with Covid 19 was that it
was all repackaged and reclassified And if you look at the definition,
according to the W.H.O., a confirmed case of Covid 19 is based on a
molecular detection test, PCR or rapid antigen test. So those two
things, that’s how apparently you confirm the case It’s irrespective of
symptoms or signs that don’t matter The cases are defined by the test
our concern in 2020. Not only is, you know, people trying to get the
truth out, but as former doctors was that

this is madness You can’t define an illness by the test. You know,
that’s just not scientific So if we go back to those, early days,
nothing was happening essentially in most places around the world Yeah,
I know there are some people that will say, no, no, no, there was a
whole lot of respiratory illness in this particular town or the city,
etc and universally we find that’s not true. And the number of
admissions were no different than normal Or if there was a spike, we can
say, well, why was it, you know, was there a release of, chemicals in
the area? Was it terrible pollution like we get in many of these Chinese
cities at certain times of the year? Plenty of other reasons, to look
into.

But for people to understand the scam of the virus model and Covid 19,
it was really just reclassification of many, many different, forms of
illness into this one entity through the fraudulent use of PCR and rapid
antigen tests and what should have woken the world up was the Cochrane
Collaboration in June 2020 published a paper saying that when it comes
to Covid 19, they did a systematic review of all the papers that were
available and there were no symptoms or signs that were specific to
Covid 19. So we were like, June 2020, we were like, come on world,
please wake up to see what’s happened here is no new illness, caused by
a virus What they’ve done is just reclassified a whole lot of things
with the test Autumn, I was just going to say one thing really fast to

piggyback on that is, back to the test. You know, in my situation with
hepatitis C, you don’t even have to have any problems with your liver
Your liver can be completely fine and normal, and they label you with
this virus and want you to take this $80,000 medication So just, you
know, most people don’t know that they’re so trusting with whatever
they’re diagnosed with, whatever virus that there’s so much of the
science that just isn’t sciencing. Yeah, yeah Autumn Give us some,
practical tips So it would be like a take home message with the
knowledge that you have here, about viruses And you know what they
really are or aren’t in this case, what should we be doing for our
health? I would just encourage people Don’t outsource your health on
blind trust.

Use my story as an example Challenge the narrative Challenge what you’re
being told Look into things and, don’t let them proclaim things over
your life It’s so very important that we become the ones in charge of
our health, that we become good stewards, and we wake up to what makes
us healthy, what makes us sick You know, our food supply, our water, our
emotions. There’s so much to be aware of And I know we didn’t get to get
into it And Mark obviously didn’t get to get into contagion because
we’re running out of time But the book Can You Catch a Cold by Daniel
Reuters it’s incredible And it really goes down the rabbit hole of
bringing up over 200,

experiments and contagion studies that were done that show so many other
reasons as to why contagion, appears to be what it is. It’s not it
doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s a floating, invisible particle
passing between people The mind is a powerful thing, and there’s
fascinating information in that book So for those listening, definitely
go check that out I’ll have a link to that In the show notes in the
description And there are so many areas that I want to get into from the
germ theory and more. Dr Mark, what would be a good call to action from
your perspective? Where should people go to find out more? Yeah Well, we
have a huge amount of resources and our website drsambailey.com, and
people can use the search bar to look up any topic because often after
hearing the stuff for the first time, people will say, well, what about
rabies?

So we have a presentation about that and they say, well, what about
chicken pox parties? Yeah, we have a presentation on that We have a
combination of, Sam’s really public facing videos, which have been seen
by so many people Now just to introduce these topics and, easy to
understand why hopefully And then we also have behind the scenes more
technical papers, like if you will, to virology for those that want to
get into the nitty gritty, I would echo what Autumn said. You do not
outsource your health You have to think every decision you make, every
day is what will determine your health So it’s thinking, what am I
putting in my mouth? What am I drinking? What kind of air am I breathing
when I go to work? If I go to work, what is the environment like? Is it,
fulfilling me?

Is it something I want to do? All of these things, you know, so
important and, will determine your ultimate health To think that you
could go to see an allopathic physician for 12 minutes and that they
will somehow affects your health, is pure fantasy And it’s almost
amusing to me to think I once upon a time worked in that profession, and
we were expected to fix people up in 12 or 15 minutes with tests and
pharmaceuticals and surgery, etcetera, and then not the major
determinants of your health. Yeah What a fantastic summary I do feel
that in this, short meeting that we gave people a lot to think about in
the direction of health and medical freedom So thank you so much for
joining us today Thank you so much for having us and being willing to
shine light on this topic Yeah Thank you so much, Michael.

And, I hope, a few ideas have been introduced to people and they can,
well, like Autumn a few years back, you know, it starts a journey until
a bit of health and wisdom. I hope you enjoyed that episode today on the
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