John Ortiz and Jonathan Atleson return to discuss with Dr. Haley, among other things, the 3 potential treatment paths for fighting cancer.
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TIMESTAMPS
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro Snip
01:57 Can you “program” water with your intentions?
05:05 Can Aloe Vera Cure Cancer?
06:15 Is there any truth to Rodney’s testimonial video?
06:48 Who is Janice Jones and how did she beat lung cancer?
08:15 What are the three approaches to fighting cancer?
08:57 An Example of an integrative approach to fighting cancer where the natural things made the medicine more tolerable
10:32 What is the problem with taking only a medical approach to fighting cancer?
11:17 Epigenetics and what you can you about your genetic risk for illnesses
11:55 How are environmental factors, thought, nutrition and more all related from a chemical perspective?
13:00 What are the 9 common factors for surviving cancer and what is the concept of radical remission?
18:02 Do we choose to have faith or do we have faith because God reveals truth to us that we are sure of?
20:12 What is faith?
25:32 How do we demonstrate our faith?
29:25 What is death?
32:19 What is the purpose of inflammation?
33:39 Why does Dr. Haley think a medical only approach to fighting a medical condition is not wise
34:48 Is the all natural approach a good path to take?
38:32 The results of a study where 240 stage IV cancer patients got chemotherapy and 119 of those got one ounce of aloe per day
40:15 The Mocebo effect explained
42:03 Will aloe vera quench your hunger pains?
48:08 What is the recipe aloe vera, honey, and vodka all about?
48:40 Why did indigenous cultures add alcohol to raw eggs and how is this like egg nog?
49:43 How much milk should humans drink?
59:59 What are the expected changes to our healthcare system this year?
TRANSCRIPT
And many people who have survived cancer actually say cancer was one of the greatest blessing to my life because it forced me to wake up and assess and reassess the things that were priorities and such. I would say most people that hear what you just said are going to think you’re crazy, but there are those that experience that, and they came out on the other side with a whole new level of understanding.
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I’m Dr. Michael Haley. This is the Dr. Haley Show podcast. Today’s guests John Ortiz, master healer in Pranic healing. That’s an energy healing. And Jonathan Atleson. He’s a master musician and ghost ghostwriter. In today’s podcast, we’re going to be discussing the three paths that people can take when fighting any condition from minor flu to cancer. There’s really three paths you can take, and hopefully at the end of this podcast, you’ll have a good understanding of the differences in those paths, and you might know better the path you might want to take, whether you’re fighting the sniffles or something more serious.
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What’s new and exciting? Wow. Oh, wow. We got a lot of stuff. Yeah. Percolating. Yeah, yeah. And it’s not coffee. No, no, it’s, No, no, it’s, last night we went to a, spiritual healing event, and it was, the part that I.
The pearl that I pulled out was this aspect of programing water or charging water, with an intention. And so, you know, there’s a if you look at in a Catholic church, they have holy water and holy water is it’s the local municipal water in the back of the church that a priest says a prayer over. And for those who believe it to be holy, you know, probably becomes holy for those who believe that it’s just the municipal water becomes a municipal.
Yeah, but in San Francisco, it comes from the Hetch Hetchy reserve. So it’s like pure it. Yeah, it’s supposedly except that, you know,
it’s like the Eucharist. You know, some people believe it’s Jesus and some people say it’s symbolic. Yeah. Yeah. So
part of the thing is that you could take your water and put an intention on it
and you could do the same with your allow the
to maximize its
potential healing aspects like.
Yeah sure sure. Why are you drinking the aloe? I said, what’s your goal? What’s your aspiration?
and so when we look at ourselves we’re basically programed water. The molecule of life is water. And so if you’re programing one of the things I love I learned from Jonathan was that, if you kind of see your body and mind as a symphony orchestra and this would be like a particular instrument getting out of tune or a section getting out of tune, how do you bring that back into alignment and back into tune
And so part of that is, well, what’s the new intention of what’s coming in the air you breathe, the water you drink, the food you eat, your thoughts, you think. And so part of my thing is that if most people drink water with no intention at it’s considered high intention. If you say, I’m going to drink this much water every day,
but if you just add a particular intention, like we bless our food before we eat it, you bless your water or you bless your aloe before you drink it.
You know, that’s interesting because and I’m going to make sense of it and show, proof. I’m going to give proof why it would make a difference. And a more easy to understand thing, you know, if you were eating with intention, and you put the food in your mouth and you’re chewing it with the intention of digesting it properly, and you’re eating with an awareness instead of, you know, I got three minutes to get my lunch and just shoving it down.
The intentions differently. You know you’re different and you’re going to actually eat it differently. You’re going to receive it differently and you’re going to prepare it with the way you consume it. It does make sense. It’s also one of the reasons why I like people to know the science of the aloe. Because just by having some understanding of what it can do scientifically as they’re consuming it, knowing that, you know, whether it’s increasing the benefit because it increases their faith, however that works, I do believe that it’s important.
Or is just knowing the information going to help them be more scheduled and more attentive to their schedule of having it as they should? There’s a lot of super great science when it comes to the why on aloe vera. One thing I will never say and I’ll say that it doesn’t do this, I’ll never say aloe vera cures cancer.
Aloe does not cure cancer. Doctors don’t cure cancer. Drugs don’t cure cancer. Chemotherapy doesn’t kill cancer. Radiation. Well, it can kill cancer cells, but it doesn’t kill cancer. It doesn’t get rid of it. It doesn’t cure cancer. There is no cure for cancer except a person has the ability to cure their own cancer. We all have immune systems, and our immune system is either winning or losing the battle.
We all have cancer cells. We’re either identifying them and getting rid of them, or they’re growing faster than our ability to take out the garbage. But there is scientific reasons why aloe vera would help someone fight cancer and help their immune system do better against it, and that I could talk about and not get in trouble for it. And have you ever seen a Rodney testimonial video where he’s got person after person saying, you know, I wouldn’t be alive if I didn’t drink this aloe vera.
Okay. That just, you know, immediately sounds like preposterous, right? Like some plant leaf and some gel from plant leave that, like some miracle cure. Yeah. Everyone’s been on, like the superfood thing. You know, I got to drink a lot of this. You got to buy this and you got to do this. And a lot of people are kind of just like, well, you know, another one.
Yeah. And part of our story, the aloe story we wrote, was
myself, meeting Janice Jones, who was part of that original interview, who had known Rodney 20 years before aloe. And,
she had, a very serious case of lung cancer, and
she connected with Rodney because she had known him for 20 years, and he put her on a protocol.
And she was very, very spiritual, very, very good person, good heart. And, she just embraced,
the aloe along with her oncology. So she, she did go the route of ecology, and she lived 30 years beyond. But what was kind of amazing, my sister would take her to the oncologist. And the ecologist
pull her side, say, hey, there’s five different types of lung cancer.
The kind of lung cancer she had. Nobody lives a year. Nobody. She’s a walking miracle. And so, was it her belief system? Was her faith was God’s grace. Was it, you know, and I and I would say all of those things play a role again when I work for cancer patients. The challenge for me is to mitigate or control their fear because they have a reason to be fearful, because they have this diagnosis and this prognosis.
And but it’s like if you don’t mitigate or control that fear, that alone can sabotage your immune system. I’m sure, you know, we’re going to talk about the science and some of the benefit, but I want to bring into clarity something you just brought up. And that was her approach. Because really there’s three approaches you can take.
If you’re fighting cancer, you can take an all medical approach, you can take an all natural approach or, or you can take an integrated approach where you work them together. And I think, you know, the levels of integration can also vary too. Someone might say, okay, I’m going to do an integrative approach. And the medical doctors, they want to do surgery, I’ll do the surgery, but they also want me to do chemotherapy.
And I’m going to say no to that. Okay. So that’s kind of, integrated approach still, but it’s kind of a limited integrative approach. Right. Can I take one comment on that? Yeah. So I was treating, a cancer patient. And part of the protocol was the aloe vera gel. And his oncologist called me and he said, hey, well, tell me about this aloe vera gel.
And I said, well, why an oncologist calls me about the aloe vera gel? And he says, because this patient is handling his chemo better than ever. I’ve seen of how she handles chemo and I want to get this stuff so people can get more chemo and like, okay, that’s kind of a different philosophy. But, you know, there was an aspect of the aloe actually,
mitigating certain of the ill effects of
the oncology process.
More chemo he’s getting. It would be the same thing with radiation, too, because, oh, they’re putting the aloe cream on them and their skin can tolerate a lot more radiation. This is great. Well. Is it I don’t know I don’t know if more radiation is better, because how do you stop it from killing the tissues around it? That’s so with that integrative.
Well, I’ll say of the three approaches, I would say 100% medicine is not an option. You know, I think that people are finding it out every day that,
that system’s not working. And I like to point out that this if it’s a debate,
there’s at least three, three different sides of this debate. And there’s probably more if we want to settle, look at it.
But, you know, but if I’m going to win this debate, not a binary debate, like everything is presented to us, there’s actually nuances here is nice. Yeah.
but what I’m saying is if you take the medical approach, the medical approach is you got cancer, you’re a victim. I’m going to, you know, kill the cancer and then you’re fine.
It doesn’t account for the why did you get cancer? It just makes it sound like, oh, well, cancer is just out there and it picked you. Bad luck. Maybe it’s genetics. Yeah. Yeah, that could play a role. Like lifestyle could play a role. All kinds of things will play a role in that. Noticed when they don’t know the why.
It’s maybe it’s genetics and I’m like, no, no, nobody in my family ever had anything like this. They never they never go like, maybe it’s environmental, you know, that. They just they go straight to genetics because it’s like, oh, look, we could do you know what? If it’s genetics, we now know that we can influence that. Epigenetics. Yeah.
The genes are kind of like switches that are influenced by the environment. Your thoughts and you can even argue your karma and that they can flip on and off, you know what I mean? So there’s no explain that please. They can flip on and off based on what usually it’s environmental factors. But I would argue it’s also, your thought patterns.
I could your spiritual, you know, a religious belief systems can, I think, can flip switches. I would say it’s nutrients. So the information about the environment in the form of nutrients. Yeah. Okay. What if we what if we grouped all those together and said, okay, all of them change your chemistry? Yes. Meaning, the things you eat change your internal chemistry, but so do your thoughts.
So really, you can actually think change your nutrition or your blood chemistry. You can think and happy, happy, you know, thoughts and laughter create certain chemicals in your body, and anger creates certain chemicals that perpetuates more anger and fear.
but it tells your body,
about the environment. If you’re in fear all the time, then your environment is dangerous and you have to amp up your ability to fight.
flight or freeze or whatever, right? So, but
it’s all information coming into the body, whether it’s through your senses and taste is one of the senses. So all of this, you know, everything is information coming in. Yeah. That’s how you how you. Yeah, I, when I talk to cancer patients or work with cancer patients,
there’s a couple books I really like.
One is Kelly Turner. She was like, she was doing her PhD at Berkeley,
long time back. And she was trying to say, what were the common factors for cancer survivors, people who had gone through the cancer process and they survived. And so she writes a book called Radical Remission, which I really advice to anybody,
to read that book, whether you have cancer, you don’t have cancer.
But, and then about ten years later, she writes radical hope and the difference being radical hope and radical mission was, she added, exercise but in radical remission. She says, what are the nine major factors that cancer survivors have? And when you read the book, you know, part of it was like, you change your nutrition, you change your pattern, you become self empowered that, you know, whenever I have a patient doing chemo, I said, remember, you drive the bus, doctors don’t know how you feel until you tell them.
And so the new version of oncologists they’re using less toxic, you know, poison, so to speak, and that I think you can navigate that successfully if you’re just honest with yourself and how you’re feeling, there’s going to be times you just want to skip a session. And the people that I know that have survived cancer and done that had a certain amount of control over that process.
And the new one, colleges are kind of tapping into that, and they’re giving them more flexibility, like, you have to do this right away and you have to do it every week and you can’t miss it. And now it’s more, okay, it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon. And so you stretch it out, you kind of tune into how you’re feeling.
You give yourself recovery time and to, you know, assimilate
or eliminate the toxicity aspect. And, those people are the ones I find do the best. Do you ever notice have the, the clinic where they do the I.V., chemotherapy, is in the same building as the oncologist who prescribes the, chemotherapy in their clinic.
I never noticed, because I’ve never been
Well, my father, but I dropped my father off at the clinic. It’s like. And it’s like The oncologist has his office in the same building as the clinic. Don’t you think that there’s some financial relationships that you.
I mean, it’s it’s like, you know, I mean, he he taught me to be suspicious and skeptical. I know with this subject, you can always attack the sacred cow. So much and they’re going to let you get away with so much. And it’s a very short leash, but it’s been a tasty cow. Yeah, that tastes good. That’s right.
And it’s it grass fed. Yeah, yeah. Work hours are 9 to 5. Happy hours from 5 to 7. So yeah. You know they probably go from their work to the happy hour. I don’t know, I’m just guessing there is a part of when I work with cancer patients about empowering them that the buck stops with you no matter what the doctor’s telling you, what your friends or family are telling you or what you’re receiving in terms of spiritual guidance or what I tell you, it’s like ultimately it’s your decision.
You have to make that decision and then what I say is, just believe it. I said, embrace it. Don’t second guess yourself from what you did a while back, head forward and say, this is this is what I’ve chosen to do. And I’m going to trust that that intuition in that process and that intellect of the study. And you’ve done maybe, to set that course, and then you make a decision and you go on the path.
Yeah. You just don’t you don’t try it because regret, guilt and shame, it’s all sabotaging the process. So if you’re looking at the process and you’re trying to evaluate it while you’re doing it, it’s like, you know, you can make little micro adjustments, but
my background is like you pray, you meditate, you do your research, and then you make a decision and then you, you go forward at the same time assessing how you feel on a daily basis.
And hopefully, you know, I would tell patients, most people with aging are going like this or going downhill. That’s just part we call the aging process. And then it’s really huge. When you go like this and you have a plateau and you actually don’t feel worse, you don’t feel like you’re getting older. And then where it gets really exciting is when you start going up and you start feeling better and you start feeling younger, and then just like, well, now I’m onto something.
Something shifted in that process. And many people who have survived cancer actually say cancer was one of the greatest blessing to my life because it forced me to wake up and assess and reassess the things that were priorities and such. I would say most people that hear what you just said are going to think you’re crazy, but there are those that experience that, and they came out on the other side with a whole new level of understanding.
I would say that decision point you’re talking about, I made the analogy the other day to just driving, driving around and, you know,
you need to make a turn, right?
and then you look around and you say, okay, I don’t think there’s anyone coming.
and then it becomes, leap of faith and you’re like, okay, I’m just going to go for it, right?
I’ve made my best determination that the coast is clear. Then you put the accelerator down, you just commit to going, but you can’t, like, start going around. You turn and then stop and look around and. And what? Wait. What? But you know,
and so I realized a while ago
that you’re making that kind of commitment, just driving on a daily basis.
If you’re you know, what I’m torn between, though, is the faith, the part that has the, you know, the magic sauce, the secret sauce. Is that the faith or do you have the faith because you’re on the right path and you just know it. You know what I mean? We have this knowledge in us somehow. I’ve been breathing this whole time.
And, you know, every now and then I swallow and blink and stuff, and I haven’t thought about any of that. It just happens based on the life that is in me, that is, you know, a source of knowledge. Way smarter than my cognitive thinking that’s going on. I, I had things to eat
today, and I chewed them and I swallowed it.
And some of that’s going to be turned into new living tissue, replacing the old. That happens without me thinking. And does that source of knowledge give us knowledge? And all we have to do is listen to it so that when we are listening to it, we’re making the right decisions. And that’s why we have faith. And that’s because we’re making the right decisions, because we’re listening to that.
I don’t know is it is it? Can I choose to believe?
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I think there has to be a differentiation between faith and belief. If you look scripturally in Hebrews, it says faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
And so there’s an aspect of faith that actually transcends belief, right? That if you’re connected to a source and it’s like you don’t necessarily have to have a certain degree of intellect or belief system, you’re trusting a higher power and such. And so there when I, I tend to differentiate between the physical aspect, the mental emotional aspect, and the spiritual karmic aspect.
And not that it’s important because you can’t really separate those aspects. But, what you want to do is get as many things on board
as you can. You want to do the things physically that you know are good for you. You want to do the things that are mentally, emotionally, you know, good for you. And part of that is fear mitigation and removal.
And, part of that is like, how do you increase your faith,
in that process? And the fire is where we know where faith is generated because, the difference one of my spiritual teacher said, what’s the difference between trust in God and faith in God? I thought that same thing. You trust God. If you have faith in God, he goes, no, we’ll think about it.
Okay. So I go think about it. I come back the next day. I said, okay, trust in God comes from the mind. And the intellect said, okay, this is my experience, this great study, this I’ve learned, this is the met with the master said, I said, faith in God transcends knowledge. That is actually this divine flow that’s beyond comprehension.
And so when you can align those things and understand it. And he said, you know, faith and trust look the same like a feather that’s lying on the ground until the wind blows. And when the wind blows, the, you know, it’s blown away versus a rock that’s unmoved. And so he said that was the difference between faith and trust is that trust can variate by based on experiences where faith says, no, this is my this is this is what it is.
I don’t care what the evidence says. Well, and I will also take a step back and say that, well, you I mean, okay, maybe we can tie it in together. But what we were started talking about is your autonomic nervous system and your intuitions coming from your body, bubbling up from your body to your mind.
And that’s intuition about what your body is telling you.
which is something we have to relearn. I mean, we had it. We lost it. Why did we lose it? Because we had external stimulus creating external structures in our mind, that we trusted and we had faith in
And it overrides our intrinsic intuition about our bodies.
And for me, I had to deconstruct a lot of those learned faith, faith and beliefs and, tap into intuitive knowledge. And, you know, so it’s a lifelong process,
but you just do one thing, like, you have to eat three meals a day or you’re going to pass out and die, you know, or. Yeah, you got to eat, your, you got to eat carbs constantly, you know, I mean, just all these things I like.
And then we realized, like, wow, you know, I, I can actually go without food, and I actually feel fine.
and you learn something new about your body, and now you can eat with intention and I mean, with, you know, on an intuitive basis and you say what not what does the TV tell me to eat today or what am I craving?
But you know,
I have these healthy options. Do I feel like I need some salt? Do I need, like, I feel like some protein? And. And you ask your body and your body tells you what to do. So anyway. But I would say,
that’s separate from the idea of, you know, some guru told me that I need to eat this way,
and I’ll be happy, you know?
Yeah. Can I, can I say my Buddha quote that my father taught me let’s hear it Yeah. Okay, so my father teaching me
this Buddha quote, and it kind of like changed my life when I heard it. And what he said was, do not believe in a saying merely because it is said, nor in writings by saints and sages, merely because saints and sages wrote them, nor in doctrines handed down from antiquity, nor in the mere authority.
And here I’m going to paraphrase on your own teachers, masters, gurus, guides, you know, experts and leaders. But we are to believe in such sayings, writings, and or doctrines when they resonate with our reason and consciousness. And I think what the Buddha was saying was that we have this inner knowing if we can just get calm and centered and kind of return to that almost, you know, childlike, you know, you must become like children to enter the kingdom of heaven, that there was a childlike understanding and wisdom that we have, that we’ve kind of short circuited when we over intellectualize or we start getting into fear patterns or something like that.
And so, each person’s path is quite unique. There’s some similarities, but each person has their own unique journey. And part of that is that they have a wisdom of what’s best for them. If you just get into that calm, centered space, to receive that kind of guidance and that kind of knowledge. It makes sense.
Here’s a here’s another saying.
And, let’s get your take on this as it relates to getting well and faith. James. 218 but someone will say, you have faith and I have works. Show me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works. Very good. There’s an aspect of when I hear that that particular scripture of taking active steps in your process,
that you have to do.
Some people can pray themselves to health and they do it, and other people can act their way in terms of good karma and doing good works for other people. When they did a longevity study, they were kind of shocked with the results. They want to do this extensive longevity study of what factors help you live a long life.
Right. And they found out that two factors kind of blew everything else away. The first was sense of purpose in life, and the second was
happiness with daily life. And you didn’t have to have both. You could have the sense of purpose and be quite miserable. This is what I’m doing. You could have this, happiness with daily life.
We didn’t have much of a sense of purpose. You’re, like, just enjoying the journey. Everything’s going well. And so what we tap into is this idea that we have to take active steps. However, we feel guided to do that. And that’s the works part. And then at the same time, we have to have a belief system that if those works don’t meet or don’t create the desired result, you have to have this this guidance or this compass that says, this is the direction I believe in.
I’m heading in. I think I’m actions over words, which is, you know, I it’s actually seems like, something that I was told is like, a sort of a core belief in, Jewish culture is,
you can think things, you can say things, but what really counts is what you do for your community, what you do for your family.
And
that’s what you’re actually measured on
That’s what that phrase,
says to me that
it’s the sort of take down a peg. The people who are beautiful talkers. What are you, Jewish? No, no, not me. No, no. You know, I also, I think of a customer, actually, just a few weeks ago that was purchasing Aloe for someone else, and they were going to do all of these different juices.
And this person had a certain cancer, and was given a limited time to live. And when they ordered the Aloe it was. Yeah,
he’s going to do it. He doesn’t care what it tastes like. And before it arrived, I got a message from the same person saying that he wants to die.
And it was almost like his, you know, his faith change type thing that after he can, he didn’t have anything to drink.
He didn’t. He didn’t drink aloe. He didn’t drink the juices that he was supposed to drink. That was the deal breaker. Okay, good. Good. Yeah. So, you know, if he wanted to live
You know, when they said he doesn’t want to live, I said, well, I pray that he changes his mind, decides to live, wants to live.
Because that would produce hopefully some works of faith or works towards wanting to live. Evidence that you wanted to live, consuming things that are good and could potentially be healing. Now, at that point, there’s a good chance that he was too far along and that things weren’t going to change anyway. Who knows? But you know, what is it that you gave up because you had no faith?
Because you just already had that internal knowing you were done? I don’t know. Well, part of, you know, part of the thing is our thing with death, what is death and what does it mean
and such as that. And so we have those with a religious, spiritual background. Many of us think that we’re going to a better place.
Right. So part of the thing is that when if you’re tired of fighting and you don’t think it’s going to get better and you think it’s only going to get worse, that’s kind of like the lines of Kevorkian when you have a terminal diagnosis and stuff like that and you say, you know, but for those believers, you always know that if the 11th hour things can turn around and it’s happens all the time where somebody looks like they’re at death’s door, or some people cross death’s door and they come back and they talk about that crossing that door.
And so each person you have to honor, respect that they’re ready for death. I’ve had that situation with certain patients. I said, well, okay, then I’m going to pray and work on a graceful transition, you know, and, and so that’s, you know, my work shifts depending on the individual and what they want. Wasn’t that one of your first.
Yeah. Stories. Your one of your favorite stories? Yeah, I had a bunch of I stories of, of I think of another scripture, though, that says something about, you know, it gives us hope in that, you know, he might return before that time happens anyway type thing. Yeah. I I’m sorry I cut you off is, No, no, no, it’s an open subject.
There’s a couple things I wanted to say, that I want to make sure I get into that. The number one reason that people go to doctors, okay, is low energy. They don’t. They’re tired all the time. They can’t get up there. You can’t find their rest. They can. Many reasons. That’s also the number one reason people don’t go to doctors is because they don’t have the energy.
But you can make it or the money but because they have a nutritional deficiency and I have evidence of that which I can tell you a story about… that gets delivered to their door. And so, you know, to me the first compass is always energy, like, okay, on a scale of 1 to 10, where one is you can’t get out of bed and ten is the best energy you’ve ever know.
Which one of my teachers said, you always make that a nine because there might,
you’re ten might be a sixth of what your potential is. So you’re tapping out when you say, this is the best it’s ever been and it can be. So you always break it down to nine and you say, you have this, this out.
There is no ten, there is no ten, and there’s also no one. There’s no. All right, all right. So, what happens is you can kind of assess yourself on a daily basis as where am I on an energy continuum if I’m five or above, I’m feeling pretty good. If I’m four below, then I’m saying something has to shift or change.
And then the number two reason people go to doctors is pain. And, there I developed a acronym for pain. Pay Attention Intentionally Now I said
the alarm systems going off. Your body’s trying to tell you
what the situation, the severity of the situation. But we’ve kind of given inflammation this bad term or bad word, that’s the precursor for all things.
But
Inflammation is your immune system trying to address a particular situation. And so you want to balance it. Too much inflammation not good. Not enough inflammation. Not good So inflammation is information. inflammation it is Yeah that’s a good one. You don’t have to like a t shirt t shirt. But yeah. So the reason I wanted to say that
in this particular journey, there are always clues to where we’re going and where we’re at and actually where we’ve been.
And most of us are not really tuned into that. We’re not really kind of taking assessment. Well, we’ll drink a cup of coffee in the morning. We’ll take something kind of stimulant into the afternoon
and we’ll know, and we kind of accepted well on this many years old, therefore this is as good as it gets. And, and there’s, few of us that say, no, that’s not it.
That’s not that’s just a, glimpse of time. And it’s an energetic pattern that can be changed. Yeah. Anyone that’s hasn’t been doing all they can could certainly do more and be better, healthier tomorrow. And they can rinse and repeat and actually reverse the aging process to some extent I agree. Yeah. All right. Let’s go back to those three methods because I don’t think we completely unpacked them okay.
Of dealing with something like cancer. The integrative approach seems to get some pretty darn good results. The reason I said that an only medicine approach is not good is because it really means that you had nothing to do with why you got your cancer. And if you had nothing to do with it, if you’re merely a victim that means that you can’t do anything about it.
Yeah. You know you can’t. It’s cancer. It gets you and it got you. The integrative approach is saying okay, I can do something about it. I do have something to do with why I had it. Even if it’s my genetics, I have the ability to influence my genetics. I can certainly eat better and exercise better and have better thoughts and get better rest and do those things that’ll make my body work more like it’s supposed to, so that I can actually assist what the doctors are doing and that, to me, makes a lot more sense than just saying, you know, doc, hook me up, pump me up, do what you have to do,
and I’ll just hope for the best and keep on living the way I am.
that doesn’t make sense, right? It’s. Why would anyone want to do that now, there’s also the all natural approach. Many have taken it and many have had great success. How do you know if you should do all natural or integrative? That’s the question that I believe the information is there.
You got to pray about it and figure it out. And, you know, if I said, you know,
you should do all natural and some things in you saying, I don’t know, I really think I should go to the doctor. Well, then you should probably do an integrative approach because you feel that that’s what you should do.
So you probably should. Yeah. Once you make your decision, own it. You know? Yeah, your decision could change. But you do you believe
in killing things in your body
or do you only want to, build and detox? You know, I mean, so you get into sort of a whole, a real philosophy which becomes a belief system and, and I’m like, kind of struggling in between these, you know, two worlds.
But I’m kind of moving
in that direction of, you know, everything is nutrition and detoxification. And it’s such a, like a simple Occam’s razor kind of approach to things that I really like it. I’m attracted to it because
it’s so simple and there are definitely some things that, medical science can do, like, you know, fix a cataract that nobody else would know how to do and replace my lens with an artificial lens.
So I can now read without glasses for the first time in my almost my entire adult life. Right. So, like, I’m grateful for that. And it’s working for me now. However, if I had could rewind the clock and have faith in the body’s own healing mechanism, go way back, and then not get toxified by whatever toxified me in the first place, and, you know, had better practices as a child and not been around, I don’t know, cordless phones or whatever, I don’t know.
So, you know, there’s this
whole chain of events like, you know, if I go back in time, I could maybe go that natural approach. But by this point in my life,
I’m in a situation where I need that intervention. But I think that, you know, we can move towards
a more natural approach, but so that I think that’s why it is individual because
you have to believe in the treatment.
You have to make that decision for me, it was like I explored some natural, some different approaches, and they just didn’t feel like it was going to work for me. And then it was just like, okay, I have to. I need to be able to see, you know, I need I have stuff I need to do.
Right? Right. And so I just said, okay, I trust you, doctor. You know, let’s do that at the same time, I may as well support what I have left with good nutrition. Yeah. Yeah. I never stopped that approach that holistic, you know, approach. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. And there’s places where medicine really shines in.
Wow. If you’re blind in medicine can make you see why wouldn’t you. And don’t think with cancer why wouldn’t you. If you have a giant tumor that’s just sucking the life out of you and you know, medicine can easily take it out and then you can continue on with, natural, why wouldn’t you? Right. Like, like you somehow you got too far down the path,
and your body has is not going to be able to handle that level of detox on its own.
You know, that happens if, you know, I don’t know. We don’t know exactly the triggers sometimes, but you can definitely get into a problem where your body just can’t handle it. And that’s where Western medicine comes in. I think now there are things you can do to where you would need less medicine. You know, I talked a little bit about science with aloe.
There was actually a research study done with aloe where there were 240 stage four cancer people, people with cancer in stage four. Did I tell you this story on okay, or this study of this study? They gave 119 of them one ounce of aloe a day, all 240. In the study got chemotherapy. And then they put them into groups, much like you would have stage one, two, 3 or 4 cancer.
They put them in four groups from, you know, little to no benefit to a mild benefit, to a moderate benefit to the best category would be the complete result. And in this study they only one ounce of aloe. I look at that and say, what if you gave them ten ounces? Because I do think more is better for scientific reasons.
And there’s reasons of certain nutrients in what they do in the body when, you know, when it comes to the aloe and the immune system. I’m not talking about the mosibo effect. I’m talking about real scientific reasons here. But the group that did not get the aloe, that only got the chemotherapy had three people in the complete result group.
And this was a larger group by two people. The group that got one ounce of aloe and their chemotherapy had ten people in the complete result group, 10 to 3. That’s a big difference. That is statistically significant. And I think it would have been a lot more if they had more than one ounce per day. I, I want to make a comment on mosibo, so there are many times that more is better, right.
There’s a certain amount that you. But what I guess when I was making reference to what I call the mosibo trap, where you think more is better indefinitely and all of a sudden you fall off an edge and you find out. So I made this joke. I know I’ve told you and a couple different occasions I said, if I die prematurely, I’m going to have my wife write on my epitaph.
If only he drank a little more aloe vera. Cuz there’s a part of me that’s a minimalist, that, says, okay, I want to see what you can get away with. And what’s the, you know, the optimal amount. And part of this is, bang for the buck and such, but at the same time, if I had a particular diagnosis and the financial means, I would say I would encourage somebody to drink more, more.
And especially if they felt the effects from it. So I say you do it for a week and you see how you feel. But it’s going to lead you to the mosibo trap, because ultimately you’re going to want to do what Jonathan did with
the Gandhi test and drink pure aloe for a couple of days.
And I’m like, okay, no, I didn’t do that. No, but I did. I did start fasting on aloe. I just I just drank oh that’s great. as much as I wanted in the morning. And I wanted to see if it, took care of my appetite. Right. You know, and if like, I could. But the problem was, it wasn’t defrosting fast enough for me to do.
Yeah, to drink it kind of a slow, slow, slow. And then at one point in the afternoon, a whole bunch defrosted. So. Yeah, we throw ours in the swimming pool and it defrost in about an hour. Yeah. And the swimming pool right. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. We just throw the bottle in there. Yeah, yeah. But, but I think it was a little too much for me.
So, anyway, it was an interesting experiment, but I started getting hungry because I didn’t have enough aloe to drink, I think. But I’m not sure. I’m not sure that’s, you know, the right solution for me, but, Yeah. It’s not going to take care of your hunger, pain. But, you know, those pains, those toxic pains that people have when they’re not consuming, you know, it just doesn’t feel right.
It’s not a hunger pain. It’s a toxic pain. Yeah. It does seem to have a quenching of that kind of discomfort. it wasn’t a hunger pain. It was like, you know, those Mac and, Hawaiian macadamia nuts that I roast and saw myself where it calling out to me, like, know it’s different there. It’s because they’re really good.
So, I’m sharing a story. So I have this friend of mine, he comes over in the early days of the aloe vera gel, and, he, he says, oh, I, you know, I’m hungry. And I’m like, when was the last time you ate? And he said, this morning. And I said, would you eat? And he said, I eat a big greasy hamburger.
I’m like, there’s just no way you’re hungry, right? You have a toxic crisis in your stomach because you ate a big, greasy hamburger. I said, here, I gave him like, I think it was probably about, three ounces of aloe. I said, drink this down because what is it, that aloe vera gel?
so he drinks it down and he goes, I’m not hungry anymore.
Because what it did was
it put out what was going on in his stomach and it, you know, reduce the
whatever. But he said, oh, this filled me up. And I said, no, it just it stopped whatever was going on in your stomach. Well, it’s the bitter that you called hunger. It’s a bitter flavor with like ayruvedically with balance.
Yeah. Like, fire, which is acid. Right. So there’s, there’s that, you know, there’s you get into all sorts of different theories of how it’s working. Yeah, yeah.
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So, John, you were saying that it’s going to say on your tomb, if only he drank a little more aloe because you’re you’re like the frugal type I guess. I’m guessing.
Right. Like, and I am too, because I’m the guy that, like, you know, when the toothpaste is gone. Yeah. I mean, you can’t get any more out. Yeah, I can still get enough out to brush my teeth. Probably 5 or 6 more times. Yeah, I’m the same way. Yeah, yeah. Is it a personal victory? Like, you know, you just think you’re empty.
Like. Well, I kind of find it, right? And stick your finger up in there and you can do it again and again and again. Yeah. But there, there comes a point where I say it’s not worth the effort. Yeah. It’s like, you know, you know, it’s not worth it. you don’t cut the tube open and then scrape it with the brush.
Okay. That’s too much. Make that, draw the line along the same lines. There’s a part where I wanted to find out what was the optimal amount for me to drink personally, for my patients experience and for their, socioeconomic status and for, their journey
for some people, they love the taste of aloe and they drink aloe, you know, copiously.
And they had the money, the means to do it. Other people, it was a financial difficulty. Anything they did was a financial difficulty. And so, I would always say when I’m always looking for like, what is the minimal to get the maximum benefit and fully realizing that my minimal might be too, too little. Right. Like the like the near maximum benefit.
Yeah. The near where you get into this significant diminishing point, you know, diminishing returns. So it’s like
when you take it in, taking it on an empty stomach and,
you know, doing it consciously with intention, those kind of things, like, if you only have a little bit and you’re waiting for the frost, like, how do you how do you get the most benefit out of that?
The what’s left in your jar while the, the big one is defrosting. Right. Well, and the other part is the, the fiber
that comes in the. Aloe Gel yeah. Yeah. And for each person, that’s a different thing. You and I personally believe it’s the best part, you know,
that’s like that’s the fuel for the bacteria.
It’s the prebiotics and such. And that’s kind of my personal belief system. But then I realized for some people that was that was the part that, no, this I can’t do, I’m going to put it through a strainer, I’m going to do that. The texture. Yeah. It’s a texture. You shouldn’t it’s a, you know, whatever. So, part of me was kind of like adapting the methodology to be user friendly.
So for instance, if somebody found it intolerable, I’d say put a little bit of maple sirup in there or put a little bit of pineapple juice in there. And because you don’t want a gadget and because if you gag it, if you’re gagging something, one of two things that you’re going to either adjust your taste buds or you’re going to say, no, no, I’m not going to do this.
You said it creates a negative association, which is the last thing you want for something healing. Yeah, well, it makes me want to look something up right now. So let me hit Google up for aloe, honey and vodka. Yeah. lets see what we got here honey and aloe vera. The magic potion honey. And then it talks about alcohol adding alcohol.
But there’s a, it’s a recipe made by someone that swore it cured cancer. The vodka. Well the three together. I think it’s, you know, the spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down concept. I don’t know if there’s any benefit to adding honey. Honey as a biblical food. I’m sure there’s some great benefits you know, for it wouldn’t be talked about so much.
Yeah, I don’t I can’t justify vodka. in my Aloe Vera Well, here’s the thing. What’s interesting about that in every indigenous culture, they had a different way to eat raw eggs. So we know part of the issue where I get and most of those cultures would put some kind of alcohol with the raw eggs, because that would mitigate any kind of bad bacteria.
You. Oh, okay. Eggnog. Like the old school eggnog. Exactly. So eggnog, you take a raw egg, and you have this way that what? What could happen with raw eggs? Well, in this country, it could be very problematic. And you ferment it for four days. And I’ve done this and it’s like it’s transformed. It’s a whole different thing. And once you ferment it with the alcohol, it actually lasts for two weeks.
So like have some raw milk and some raw eggs and don’t put alcohol in it. Do you think it’s going to taste good in two weeks? No, but it tastes better. Get contaminated with something else because there weren’t the good stuff to keep it out. So yeah, I mean, it all makes sense when you think about it that like, does super interesting.
And also, my other, other theory was that in the depths of winter, in a northern climate,
and you’re like, the holiday, or like, you know, January, December, January, you don’t really want to go out and milk the cow because it’s really cold. I mean, you have to, but I mean, I’m just I’m just thinking theoretically, you know, that might be a day where you want to skip, you know, going out milk in the cow
But what they doing historically, if they had to, they’d probably, you know, get a little cup full of, fermenting cod liver oil that’s in the barrel outside the front door, you know, I mean, that was a real thing. So maybe you eat, you’re eating the cow, then you’re eating the chickens. But you have got the eggnog that lasts for two weeks, so you don’t have to go out and get fresh milk every day.
I don’t know. And part of the challenge is good bacteria versus bad bacteria, right. So we talk about dysbiosis. There’s a disproportionate amount of, bad bacteria to good bacteria. But, we know that our immune system is really driven by our bacterial content. We talked about that this last week, but
there’s an aspect of, even in germ theory that we have to respect.
And that’s like, for instance, when you’re milking a cow, they usually take iodine and they dip the udders before they move the cow. And so they’re doing some kind of disinfectant,
to neutralize, potential, you know, toxic or pathogenic i wasn’t aware of that. And I, I’m having a hard time buying the importance of it because historically, you know, we don’t moms don’t clean their nipples.
Well, we’re, you’re right. I mean, there’s an aspect. You’re right. So. But it fits down here. But that’s somewhat resolved in the process of milk. And it becomes more prevalent if you’re drinking raw milk. Right. So then you have a different, purification process and there’s different belief systems on raw milk. Most of the world eats, drinks goat’s milk versus cow’s milk.
And so there was a there was a study that done that said it was much more digestible. But in this country, we kind of raised in such a way that cows milk
is it? And goat’s milk tastes funny. Right.
So, in my studies, in my experience, if you talk about calcium versus magnesium, all milk or dairy has ten parts calcium in one part.
Magnesium. And we’re taught that that’s kind of like the ultimate fuel.
Of,
milk. And what it is, it’s the ultimate fuel that if you’re an infant, you’re trying to grow and you’re developing muscles and,
bones, then that is the proper ratio that you want to if you want to build one. I would I would say if you’re a baby cow, if you’re a baby, you have to grow really big giant femurs, support your giant weight.
Yeah. That’s you need a lot of calcium. But the point that I’m making is most people get lactose intolerance when not when they’re young. They get it when they stop growing and when they stop growing and they’ve grown out there, all sudden their gut has a different way to address what’s coming in with
the dairy products. And so then it becomes this balance aspect of, how much do I have or how much do I need and what’s optimal.
And your body’s always telling you what’s optimal. Like if you eat something and an hour later you don’t feel better, something’s wrong with what you ate. Yeah. So I had this experience where, especially with dairy, like, every once in a while, I just get this, like, you know, I, I’d really like some raw milk or something, or some kefir or something.
So I go out and I get some, and I’m drinking it, and it’s like, it’s like the most amazing experience. I’m like, this is the best thing ever. And so I like, keep drinking it and drinking it and then and then most leave out there. Yeah. Because it like, taste so good and then, but and then also because I spent a lot of money and I want to, I want to get the most out of the whole bottle.
But then there comes a time of about three, maybe three days later when it’s just I just not feeling as good. I get a little bloated and sinuses and stuff and I’m like, oh, I’ve hit the wall.
I gotta cut back or like reduce the dosage. And so, but I experienced that.
but then like a few months later, I’ll be, you know, I’ll have some and it’s just like, oh my God, my body’s like, this is the most amazing thing ever.
Yeah, milk’s an interesting thing too, because there’s different kinds of cows. And like you said, there’s goats.
what are you feeding them? You know, I forget which the cows are, which are the preferred ones.
Jersey, there’s a jersey milk. It’s supposed to be really good. I have a personal experience.
Yeah. I was an athlete in high school, and I was suffering from, seasonal allergies in Phoenix, Arizona. And my father, who was a physician, had a bunch of physician friends. And there was this guy who was cutting edge. His name was Dr. Burr, and he was like, the cutting edge of allergy medicine, you know, before even people knew about allergy medicine.
So he makes this appointment for me, and I walk in and I’m and I’m, I got my muscles and I’m like, you know, football player and, this guy was a small Jewish guy, you know, you know, so I I’ll play the role. So you know you could probably move him with a strong wind, you know, and he sits there and we’re talking in the session and he says,
what kind of food do we eat today?
I said, well, at the time I was drinking predominantly milk. You know, I would go in there and I would take a half gallon and I would suck it down in one sitting. And that was my meal for the day. And so,
he sit there and he says to me, you know what? How much gas you have, you know, you know, flatulence.
I said, well, I, I’ve never really thought about it, you know, it’s like this. He asked me these funny questions and he says, and so finally, after the analysis, he says, you have to give up dairy. And he I said, and at the time, dairy was like 80% of my diet. And I’m like, and I’m looking at it.
And I said, well, I said Doc I don’t want to be disrespectful, but if I end up giving up dairy, do I end up looking like you? And he laughed. He said, oh no, you big, strong boy. You’ll be fine. Just okay. And so I gave up Dairy Boom. Within a week and a half, allergies were gone and I had to look at things a lot differently.
Now, what could have been the amount of dairy? Because I was drinking dairy by, you know, by the carton and mosibo effect mosibo effect because I liked it, it tastes good. It it was easy and it’s got sugar in it. I mean, it’s like it’s loaded with, you know, sugar. And I don’t think we have breast memories.
You know, that’s the last time I was drinking this. It was really good. I want to get back to the source. Your mother. If you tell me about your mother, tell me about your mother. Okay. But you know, when did you. When were you weaned? What age were you. weaned? So there’s a part where, Again, we tend to go black and white, like Jonathan was talking about earlier, and it’s like these degrees.
It’s like, well, wait a minute. Whenever I’m, somebody wants to wean off medications, I’m always one of those people. So you have to be really gentle with yourself and you, and you do it very. You don’t just go cold turkey. And some people do that and they find it better successful. But to me, it’s like the body could adjust if you just give it a chance to adjust.
And so you just if you want to get off a medication, you under the guidance of
your health practitioner or doctor. But, what if you’re addicted to turkey? Or what if you’re addicted to cold turkey? How do you quit cold turkey? But I remember I’ll tell you a funny story. about the DIABLO INTEGRATED WELLNESS CENTER
I was working there. I’m in there, and this woman comes in middle aged, and, I said, what? What are the issues you want to work on today? And she says, well, I have no issues. And I’m thinking, I’m a woman in America. Middle age doesn’t have any issues. I said, why are you here? I said, this is a miracle.
she’s a unicorn. I said, you got to find out what she’s doing, how she’s doing. And then the spirit says to me, ask her how many medications she’s on. And I said, excuse me, are you on any medication? She says, nine. I said, nine medications for what? Anxiety, depression, insomnia, ADHD. And I said, well, wouldn’t those be issues?
And she says, no, the medication takes care of it. And I’m like, okay, I can see where you’re coming with that. Like an adult version of a well-child visit. Yeah. Like you’re like a, well, adult. Like I have no problems, but I’m here anyway for health care. So, you know, part of my thing is that I’d like to see people medication free and symptom free and be on that.
And there’s I’m sure there are times you can’t go off your medication. And that was my personal experience with Janus. When I tried to get her off medication, she looked at me like, you’re taking me to doomsday. And I’m like, no, if that’s what you believe, stick with it, you know, and it’s working for you because you lived through cancer for 30 years, you know?
And so while it’s depressing that they may be suppressing the symptoms, so
it doesn’t bother you. So yeah, we have to we have to make some changes so we can decrease the dose. Yeah. And eventually not need it anymore. Well use the medicine to buy some time while you’re getting well. Well, let me give an example.
When I had my eye surgery, they don’t put you under because they need you to follow instructions and look up and stuff like that. So. But they give you a sedative so that you’re aware
and awake, but you don’t care, right? It’s not like, whoa. So that’s a medication that cures all your problems by making you not care about them.
Yeah. I was like, that’s some serious stuff. And it took me several days to detox.
I was kind of loopy. Yeah. But
I also had gone off coffee. But, actually, my way of getting off coffee is going to a half caf. So I haven’t coffee a day, and then I, And then, what did I do?
I, I had one day of headaches, and then I’m fine, so. And then I had my first coffee again today, and I want to say something. I’m sure there are good things that Big Pharma has done. In society, in the history of Big pharma. But I would challenge them to do something good with your money, you know, do something to make society better where the top motive is not profit, and
that you have some degree of legacy, that you did something to improve
the circumstances of the thing.
And so we’re talking now about the rebooting of the health care system, which I think it needs rebooting. And we’ll talk about this in the future because we’re about to read an article together on Raymond Francis. And he wrote a book back in 2014 called, The Great American Health Care Hoax. And the part that I didn’t like, was, well, what are the solutions?
What are the solutions to the problems with our health care system? And I offer to you that there’s going to be a rebooting this year with possibly, hopefully some booting to do, some booting and then over here, maybe some reboot. Yeah, we need some of that. But what we need to do
is if we want a health care system, we have to make it about health care and not about sick care, because right now it’s there is no such thing really, as health care.
There it is. But not everyone. And that’s what I wanted to say about integrative. The thought I had when you were talking about integrative was, in my experience, you know, Western medicine can fix like, serious problems that need a, you know, immediate, solutions. But then when they’re done with you, they just kind of like, off, off with you and you’re like, but, but, but but what do I do next?
Or like, how do I prevent it from happening in or why did it happen? Or how do I get better or
feel good
and get back to normal or better than normal, you know, how do I become well and there like I’m going to know, like, what should I eat? Yeah. So anything about nutrition? Go talk to one of these people.
And so that’s why. And then people then, you know, go to something alternative and look for those, those answers, and then they’re off on their own. They don’t have any guidance. Right. So they followed the protocol. They followed the path. And then they just like rule over the cliff. And they’re like, now where do I go?
And
that’s where we need a system. Absolutely. Guide people to wellness. The only good in medicine is using it to buy time while the changes that you’re making to get, well take effect. We’re going to close with one thought here, okay? something for people to ponder on. This was, said by BJ Palmer, I believe he said if you took all the drugs known to mankind and threw them into the ocean, it would be good for mankind, bad for the fish.
Good for man. Well, it can. I just had one. Are we done? Okay. No. What do you got? Triad healing. Yeah. What? How evolved was that? You have an inquiry, you find out what the patient is feeling, experience, believing, and then you have the edification where you try to give them an education, how to improve it. part of
That’s aloe vera gel. And then you have the empowerment that you say the buck stops and ends with you, that ultimately you’re the one that determines the degree of your healing and the success of the sessions that were inspiring. And so I think that we talked last week about your faith has made you whole. That was an aspect of Jesus empowering the person who received the miracle that said, you helped make this happen.
So you’re saying the effectiveness. Yeah, the effectiveness is your role. Yeah. You know, and partially even connect with John and Jonathan at Triadhealing.com. Everyone knows where to find me Haleynutrition.com drhaley.com for the blog. Related to this podcast. Thanks for joining me. We’ll see you again next week. Sounds good. All right.
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