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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro Snip
01:46 Why did Dr. Haley become a chiropractor?
02:35 Why did Dr. Vrzal become a chiropractor?
05:09 Dr. Haley tells of his first headache patient
06:42 How is a headache an advantage?
09:00 How is applied kinesiology used to help correct the problem
10:00 What are common problems in people’s diets?
11:10 What is the difference between eastern and western medicine?
14:15 Describe a first visit with Dr. Vrzal
16:16 What is the Dr. Vrzal technique?
18:00 What is Neuroemotional Technique?
23:12 What does low back pain have to do with bowel function?
25:30 What is yeast over-growth, leaky gut and how does that affect the gut brain connection?
27:55 What are the various communication methods in the body?
29:40 How does the diet log work?
31:24 How you can use the blood type to figure things out
32:23 What is the one best diet for everyone?
34:50 Will the vegetarian diet work for you?
35:35 will Paleo diet work for you?
37:30 Does soda make you fat or is it the bubbles?
38:18 What causes tinnitis?
39:45 What causes Alzheimer’s Disease?
40:50 Are there safe sugar substitutes?
42:10 How to kill lyme
42:35 P450 the first phase of liver detoxification
TRANSCRIPT
So the reason I call it headache advantage is because really, as you mentioned, pain is our advantage. It is there to inspire change and motivate us to change. And so the pattern of the headache really tells me the priority for that person’s health dysfunction.
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This is the Dr. Haley Show podcast. I’m Dr. Michael Haley, and today’s guest is Dr. Scott Vrzal. He is the best kind of doctor there is. He’s a doctor of chiropractic and now author of a book called The Headache Advantage an unusual title. We’ll pick that apart a little bit and understand where he’s coming from. He is going to help us understand, well, headaches more from a whole body perspective and not merely a lack of Tylenol.
Dr. Scott. Right. Yes
Thank you. There’s no Tyleno deficiencies Joining me. Great intro. Yes.
You know, I want to know a little bit about your story. From what I’ve seen. I think you and I had similar experiences. Awesome. And for me, I went when I was about 13 years old to a chiropractor. Not because I had any problems in my case, but my father went and the chiropractor said, oh, you got to bring your whole family. And I was the only one that volunteered. Yeah. I want to go and find out about chiropractic. Okay. And that night in football practice, I felt like I was just floating across the ground. I felt lighter and faster and more capable than ever before. That experience. Well, to me, it was almost like he did this Jesus thing. You know, only Jesus was raising the dead. It wasn’t quite that magnitude, but it was the most like Jesus thing I’ve ever seen in human form. And I wanted to be more like Jesus and do Jesus things. Yeah. So I decided to go be a chiropractor. Perfect. What’s your story? How did you get into this? Tell us about your debilitating headaches and your experience when you finally found chiropractic.
Right. So very similar for me. It started as a young teen hanging out at Winchell’s, getting a donut before and after school. And, you know, it was started getting into trouble as most teens would eat and donuts for breakfast. And my loving parents took me to a holistic health practitioner at that time. He determined I was hypoglycemic. They did a six hour glucose tolerance test and said, you know, hey, if you keep doing the things you’re doing, you’re going to have to give yourself daily shots. That kind of rang my bell. I didn’t like needles so much. and then I realized, hey, when I eat donuts, I don’t perform. And, you know, I fall apart on that time. The racquetball court and so on. I was working out and playing racquetball. so I realized the cause and effect at that point on sugar. So I swore off sugar at 14 years old. Never turned back. then a few years later, I started having gnarly headaches when I would, bench press. And I was a natural bodybuilder. early on, early on and continued on through college. anytime I do bench press, I get these pounding headaches and tried all that aspirin, Advil, Tylenol, and couldn’t get any relief with that. So of course, we went to a doctor and they said, oh, you might have an aneurysm. Don’t work out. Don’t push it, you know, and here, you know, gave me the dye and the CAT scan and all that stuff and said, well, you don’t have an aneurysm, so go see a psychiatrist. And, you know, I’m like, well, I don’t think that’s the answer. Thanks for your help. You know? And so that kind of started the journey I had by that point, I was into junior college and had done a self interest test. My high score was chiropractic. Didn’t think I was going to go to school. That long. And then I had my, chiropractic experience right. Kind of like you were talking about. And and so he adjusted me. it’s again, a chiropractic intern that I met at the gym, and he says, I don’t know if we can help. Let’s let’s check it out. And he adjusted at that time. Now I understand C2 at the top of the neck and L4
my headaches were colon related, so that’ll kind of dovetail into what we’re going to talk about today. But I had whole head headaches that would pound especially with exertion. And the more I pushed through it, the longer the headaches would last. So he adjusted me. And I did that same kind of similar experience driving home with my little yellow bug, just going like, wow, this is awesome. I, I need more of this. How can I bless others with this experience? And so then as I realized, hey, chiropractic handles the structural component and handles the nutrition. And I was already obsessing about my diet, and it was a, you know, a match made in heaven from there on.
You know, my first headache patient I wasn’t even out of school yet.
Yeah.
I was in Marietta, Georgia, Life Chiropractic College, and I was in a dart tournament, and my partner that I got paired up in this tournament. I don’t like to lose. I like to win things. And she had a headache. I didn’t want to play with someone that had a headache, that had an excuse for missing. Right. I wanted accuracy focus… I wanted her to be all there and she had never had a chiropractic adjustment. Okay. I didn’t have a license. I broke the law. I sat her down in a chair, adjusted her neck, and she, with this skepticism, said, oh, and when is my headache gonna. Well, wait. It’s gone. You know. so what I’m realizing now is I gave her a temporary improvement. Right? The headache probably came back because I probably Never got to the actual cause of the, well, what was expressed in her neck, whether we want to call it a subluxation or a malfunction or some kind of stored tension that was there, not necessarily getting to the cause of that physical change, just releasing which an effect that caused her headache.
Right? Right. Perfect segue. Yes.Yeah. Let’s talk about your book now then. The headache advantage. I’m a chiropractor. I know where you’re coming from. Yeah, I get it. Pain can be our friend. Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Tell me how a headache is an advantage.
Right. And so kind of like you imperfect Segue in chiropractic is great. Acupuncture is great. And they’ll take care of an adjustment kind of the thing that really throw it out and right up front, the thing that really gives me confidence, 100% confidence on these patterns, is that a headache never leaves the office. And we can identify what the organ is for the, the seven triggers, to get rid of it. So the reason I call it headache advantage is because really, as you mentioned, pain is our advantage. It is there to inspire change and motivate us to change. And so the pattern of the headache really tells me the priority for that person’s health dysfunction. So if they have a right sided headache, that means that their gallbladder is the priority for them to start making change. So then we can look at what food triggers what compromise the gallbladder. We can look at the emotions associated with the gallbladder. We can adjust T4 C6. but I saved that for last because I want to learn from it First. Figure out what it is that they’re doing in their lifestyle that’s compromising. Say, the right side of the gallbladder, causing the right side of headache. Or again, from a halo sort of perspective, you know, the whole head headache, like a head band. That is a, colon issue. So we want to look at what it is. It’s compromising the functioning of the colon so we can instill change. And the reason this is a major advantage is because when the colon dysfunctions that sets up things like arthritis or, you know, leaky gut problems where things leak into the bloodstream and can set up those ugly cascades of all the inflammatory conditions. Now, I mentioned arthritis, I mean, all the way down to putting stress on the liver and opening the Pandora’s box for things like cancer and so on. So we want to take advantage of what the body’s yelling at or the headache head is yelling at us about. So we can
make changes now before it’s a big name condition and, you know, a big problem.
So after treating the spinal issue, you’re helping your patients understand the actual cause. And then leading them through a plan of change to reverse that problem, I guess.
Right. Right.
Is that with diet strictly or is other modalities. What do you do
Yes. So most of what I do is founded in applied kinesiology which brings in the structural needs, the nutritional needs of supplemental need, nutritional meaning food, supplemental needs and then the emotional paradigm as well. So organs have specific emotions associated with them. I there’s many good techniques I use several of them. Primarily I use a neuro emotional technique from the Scott Walker put together that gives me the foundation to know that in this case, like when the gallbladder dysfunctions, it sets up emotions like anger, frustration and resentment
a gall wouldn’t you know, for the gallbladder. and so it could was it, you know, a significant period of anger that caused the gallbladder to go awry? So then we want to clear those emotions or was the gallbladder dysfunctional, causing all the anger in a person’s life? Think. I mean, liver and gallbladder are the same on the acupuncture chart, if you will, and with the emotions. So I mean, again, anger, frustration, resentment those are emotions of an alcoholic. Right. That’s putting a lot of stress on their liver. So we can work from that perspective. certainly we want to look at what foods a person’s taking consuming that is causing a lot of problems. Gallbladder favorite example of that is glyphosate. The pesticide, in roundup. The toxin in roundup, inhibits bile production. It inhibits methylation and inhibits bile production. and it obliterates the intestinal lining. So things like aloe or can help rebuild that intestinal lining. Right. Help to bile flow. to reduce the causes of that. But we want to get the toxins out of our environment, out of our diet as best we can to eliminate the causes of, say, the right sided headache or the whole head headache. So putting it all together, you know.
I was ten…
To finish up on that. Now, every muscle has an associated gland or organ. So that gives us a, you know, that’s kind of where the foundation of applied kinesiology and Dr. Goodheart work starting back in the 60s, so we can use, you know, reflex referred pain areas or muscles to identify where the body is dysfunctional and then whether it needs an emotional change, a structural change, or nutritional change, ultimately.
Okay. you know, for those listening, that was a lot because they’re probably used to, you know, I go to a doctor and they write a prescription. I just have to go to my nearest pharmacy, fill it, and I’m done. I don’t have to know about any of that stuff. And to help clarify this, I was taught as a chiropractor to consider nutrition, exercise, rest right, positive mental well-being, properly functioning nervous system. And the way you’re picking that apart is really the difference between Eastern and Western medicine. Yes, to help people that are used to just getting the prescription and filling it, can you explain the difference and why that’s so important?
I’ll do my best. It’s a massive subject, isn’t it? yeah. So eastern medicine, if you will, is based on energy flow and acupuncture meridians and ultimately these as how they were termed. And those meridians go through muscles. So that’s where the Dr. Goodheart originally came up with the muscle organ correlation that has been confirmed, You know, for millions of visits and, approaches, over the last 50 years or whatever it’s been. so there’s that muscle organ correlation that brings the eastern medicine, and with the Western medicine in that, I mean, my favorite thing to do is go to functional med seminars and learn all the biochemical pathways, and then figure out how to physically test those without having to run all the expensive, time laden labs so those pathways can be figured out. I mean, there’s great marriage between the two when we marry the two realms of, you know, how is physiology dysfunctional and what is it that we’re doing that’s causing it? ultimately. So most of the people listening this are going to be health pursuers themselves. So it starts with just simply listening. Right. And so every oh, oops, every time I eat, you know, a whole wheat sandwich and I end up with a right sided headache. Okay, now I understand the trigger. Tomatoes are another example that, tomatoes can affect bile flow and acetylcholine, the brain chemical that will drive that bile production. And so tomatoes is a very common trigger for right sided headache. So it may be that the person and I recommend people do this keep a log of what they’re eating or what they’re doing and then put in their oops I have back pain, I have my headaches, I have whatever shoulder pain it flared on this day. What was the common thread the last three times this happened? So that’s a good way to kind of sleuth it out or figure it out. on our own. you know, somebody trained in this type of stuff, or even if it’s a, you know, the chiropractor, if you’re chiropractors telling you every time you go in there, T4 is out or they’re starting to get that dowager’s hump, slouchy posture, those are signs that the gallbladder is dysfunctional. And so take it the next step and figure out what it is. It’s that’s being done. So it’s can’t we all get along right. merge eastern. Merge Western so that we can all work on our best to to get the best resolve, resolution for a patient, for the people needing help.
right, right. So you’ve given me some insight to what a visit to your office is like. Okay. And as far as the treatment they might expect to, they get treated on a first visit.
In my office. We treat it on the first visit. Yes. Again, kind of like you like to win. I like to demonstrate. Today. Miracles are here. So. Right. I want to demonstrate. And for me, then the follow up visit is. This is what we found. what’s left? You know, how much change did you experience. So that we can then say, all right, we nailed it. You good? You know, go forth and prosper or, hey, we still got still have some aspects that need to be fair. It it out.
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when people come to me for chiropractic, they know that there’s different kinds of chiropractic. And some people use instruments, some people use their hands and tables that drop and machines that stretch and pull apart. And there’s Y-Strap and ring dinger and there’s all kinds of different chiropractic techniques. Can you tell me a little bit about the Dr. Vrzal technique?
Right. And actually it is, called that but is founded off on applied kinesiology principles. there’s a chart behind me that most of you are listening to this, but it has points all over the body that will help us understand where the body is dysfunctional. And so I look at the muscle organ correlations just because it gives me a super easy, super efficient, effective way to figure out where the body is dysfunctional. So I do a lot of muscle and reflex testing. certainly listen to what the person is suffering with because whatever, you know, they’re there because they have a headache, they’re there because they have digestive problems. That is their priority. They’re the one right in the check. So I want to meet their needs. And so it starts with, hey, you know, what is your what is your priority today to make change. And then I do my detective work to figure out what it is that would be causing that so that they can leave knowing what to change and what to do.
Is there acupuncture involved or acupressure or?
so I used to use some of that. but the points, most of the points are acupuncture points that I use more primarily diagnostically. Now. So, you know, there’s a part of this point for that has to do with blood flow. So I’ll use that to determine, you know, whether blood flow or circulation is an issue or, you know, even sometimes touching over, for example, the thyroid or touching over the gallbladder will give an, an idea. and then, yes, understanding those acupuncture points often is an adjustment in that area works really well. Or, you know, why is that point tender when I make the appropriate change, the tenderness of that point, the tender, so that muscle will literally go away, on the table. So then we know, okay, this is this is the holy grail. This is the trigger for your problems.
Oh, wow. The neuro emotional technique that you employ. What was that called?
Neuro emotional technique or NET used a lot of the eastern medicine, principles and the emotions and then tied that in with the organs and then use some kind of chiropractic techniques or acupuncture techniques, both merged and both to detox, if you will, the physical manifestations of emotions. So people that are in psychological care, I’ve heard psychologists often say, man, we just made a year’s worth of progress because we got rid of the physical storage of those emotions. Right. Think of, you know, the CPA attack style on their shoulder, start burying their ears or, you know, stress comes along. There’s muscle patterns with that and emotions they can get stored physically in each organ. So there’s emotional points right on the center of the, on the forehead there. that ultimately comes down to connecting those with whatever the organ is. and then again, if you have the tools, figuring out what specific emotional conundrum, had happened, you know, short circuiting the body.
Okay. You want to get a little story on that one I know you like stories. had a kid that got hit by a car, and so I treated them. Got to take care of the physical aspects of it. but his mom says, hey, is there something you can do for, you know, he was an a student, and then ever since you got hit, his grades are D’s, and he’s struggling in school. And we’ve taken care of the physical manifestations. I said, well, what do we know so far? She says, well, took him to the eye doctor and they said, he’s colorblindness. What is it? They said he’s blue green colorblind. I’m like, well, that’s not colorblind. What do we you know, I said, you know, Johnny, what? What do you remember from the accident? He says, well, I was walking across the crosswalk on a green light and a blue minivan hit me. So we had him, you know, recall those reels in his head, if you will, and desensitize his body to those specific emotions of the blue minivan and the green walk light. And his grades went back up to an A literally that week. So that’s kind of how the, you know, profound. And, a lot of us chiropractors are working physically with, auto accidents and that sort of stuff. We can adjust them. They feel great. And then they see another blue minivan again. And, they go back out to where they were. So helps to pull that all together for more lasting results.
Yeah, that’s really interesting because admittedly, when I’m seeing patients, I’m thinking of the physical. Right. And not always the emotional component. Right to why it keeps coming back. And I have certainly recognized, There’s certain patterns, people that are having emotional challenges in their marriage have certain kinds of pains, and people that are having work related are having certain kinds of pains. Right. And there’s certainly definite patterns there.
Absolutely. I mean, even from a structural perspective as a chiropractor, I mean, it could be as simple as, you know, what do you remember about the accident? You know, you hit the C2 talking chiro speak. Right. You adjust C2 as they’re remembering the accident. That will kind of desensitize to those triggers as well. Or, you know, you had when your hubby said he was leaving, give them adjustment as they’re thinking about, him delivering the news or, you know, those types of things, those can help lock that adjustment in as well.
Interesting. When I was about 18 or 19 years old, I was moving and I remember trying to lift this couch up by myself and carry it down a flight of stairs. And it was one of those pull out beds that, you know, a lot of metal in it, very, very heavy. And I’m doing it by myself. Wow. And I when I yanked it off the ground on the second floor, I realized I did something bad. And after, walking through the stairs, the winding stairs by myself with this thing over my head and then thinking, how am I going to get it on my pickup truck? The bed was open. I knew once I put it down I was dead. So I had to do it in one shot. And so I kind of, you know, got a running start and got on the bed and then just dropped it. Well, then I couldn’t walk for the next eight months or so. Right. I tried some different doctors, finally figured out how to fix it myself. Okay. And that was the inspiration to say, yeah, you are supposed to be a chiropractor, Mike. You know, you decided when you were 13 you wanted to be a chiropractor. Your guidance counselor talked you out of it. And here’s the confirmation that you’re actually supposed to do it right. And from that point on, I attracted a lot of people with low back issues.
Right.
What’s it like for you? Are you attracting mostly headaches or what’s your practice look like? yeah lots of chronic illness. I mean, I got into it similarly as an athlete, again, I took, you know, talked about bodybuilding and as I yeah, I ended up I raced mountain bikes or race bikes now predominantly because I feel better doing aerobic exercise. so I mean, initially I was pursuing the athletic realm because I wanted to perform at my best. but realistically, it’s the chronically ill people that are talking to each other about their problems. And so they all refer and, they’re the people that are motivated to change. Finally, you know, they’ve broken down to the point where they need help. So lots of chronic illness, that we see, from a back pain perspective just again, to, to scratch your back on the Aloe perspective, the quadratus lumborum muscle which attaches from the lower ribs to the, pelvis, that’s that whole flank area type low back pain that muscles associated with colon function. So, when a lot of back pain is going to be tied to what’s going on with your gut, how are your bowel movements, how often you know, proper shape and form, all that stuff? I don’t need samples or any of that. fixing the bowels will get rid of often the low back pain. So somebody comes in with low back pain. you know, they point to it typically is going to be that flank quadratus lumborum muscle area. Then we look at what’s going on with the colon. they can do some temporary relief with that large intestine. 4 legendary acupuncture point on the thumb web. right where the crease of the thumb stops. That point is, called a large intestine 4 that will give some temporary relief for that or actually literally relax that quadratus lumborum muscle. but again, we want to look at why the colon is not functioning properly, you know, are they eating too much wheat or are they eating too much dairy, or that they have grief or sadness that set it all up, loss of a loved one? Those are all right. Those are emotions. They can affect the lungs or the large intestine. So we clear that out and boom, they leave the office. No more back pain or, you know, in that case, we would have been a full head headache. so then they know, ideally what the triggers are. You know, do they need to take a probiotic or do they need to take their, Aloe juice on a regular basis to heal the gut and prevent the, big uglies, and feel their best?
For the colon, we think of its function which is to remove water. Yeah. so if that wasn’t functioning, I guess loose stools could be one symptom, but sometimes it’s not doing what it should do and not moving things through. And, someone might be constipated. What are we talking about with this colon malfunction that you mentioned? Is that both sides of the spectrum? Yes. So? So, yes, a lot of what the colon does is remove, water. Right. And take that back into the system. the literature is full of the gut brain, correlation. Now that a lot of the neurotransmitters, right, people are familiar with serotonin and, you know, potentially acetylcholine, things like that, most of that is actually made in the gut. So when that gut bacteria is functioning properly, then we have optimum health. when that gut bacteria is out of whack, then we don’t. So, for example, you mentioned the runs that often is a poor sugar metabolism. I mean, there’s a yeast overgrowth that opens the valve there’s two primary valves that kind of regulate rate of elimination. There’s ileocecal valve and the valve of houston those valves tend to stick open if there’s a abundance of yeast or yeast overgrowth in the body. And so that’ll also set up leaky gut. So then the person’s going to have brain fog. They’ll have bicep it’ll tendinitis in the front of the shoulder often with yeast overgrowth. the fun thing about the yeast overgrowth, setting up the runs like that is almost immediate. Like for me, if I eat a protein bar that’s got a sweetener that doesn’t agree with me or a I borrow my friends ride food when I’m riding my bike, almost by the time I’m done with it, I’ll get neck extensor tension. Tension on the side of the neck. And what happens is there’s a physical manifestation there that basically turns off those muscles when the body’s, grappling with yeast overgrowth. So that tells me, oops, that bar didn’t work. Or, you know, that food snack, riding food, didn’t work well. And so I will avoid it. And then I know what the cause is. I mean, that’s the person I feel like I need adjustment now, almost by the time they finish it. So that’s a nice immediate feedback when there’s yeast overgrowth, the other side of that constipation typically is, can be poor protein metabolism, but it’s more often than not it’s poor fat metabolism. Again, we go back to the gallbladder. The gallbladder emulsifiers digest those fats when it’s working properly. If the gallbladder is congested and the bile is not flowing as it should, undigested fat causes a spasm of those valves that I just talked about. And so then food gets stuck. If you allow that, it’s a protective mechanism in the body. much like the valves open to get the yeast out. Conversely, the valves will closed to give us more time to assimilate those good fats. And so both of them are protective mechanisms, that God has put in the body to, to keep us. Well. And when we make that choices, so often it’s fixing, fat metabolism to relax and get the colon working properly. There’s also, you know, obviously, like you talked about dehydration. You know, thyroid regulates a lot of that. So there’s upstream, potential causes. But for the most part it’s fat metabolism or sugar metabolism regulating the rate there.
you know, as I’ve been reading, some of your book, I am realizing, you know, a lot of stuff, you know, more than me, you know, a lot. And it’s very well organized to,I’m going to unpack a little bit of what you said because you were talking about different communication that happens in the body. Yes. in that you were talking about how you ate something and instantly made a connection as to, you know, this causes that in me. So I’m not going to do that anymore. And these are things that I try to help my people understand. My followers, my customers, my patients. That one is your body communicates in a lot of ways. It’s not just the brain through the spine and nervous system. As you know, there are meridians. There’s intercellular communication, and there’s things that are living inside you that talk to each other. And there are cells that travel to different areas of the body in the blood. You know, I can get an injury and somehow the immune cells know to accumulate in that area. There’s all kinds of little handoffs, chemical handoffs between cells and little not only synapses, not only chemical synapses between nerves and muscle fibers and things like that, but synapses from one cell to another. And there’s, you know, covalent charges and ionic charges and things that make things change in our body, communicating everywhere. Right now, we don’t even have to know about that stuff to get well. We do need to pay attention to the signs, to the symptoms. When I eat this, this happens to me right now. There are cheat sheets and guides, things that you know more than me about. You know, you know more about blood typing than I do. Thank you. Or one thing I like and you’ve already mentioned is the diet log, which is kind of, keep it simple. Yes. Stupid. Yes. Principle. Keep it simple. Smarty I don’t know. Yeah, yeah, I don’t I don’t know if you actually keep a diet log. I think what you, what you’ve kind of mentioned, you know, you don’t eat sugar anymore. I ate the sticky bar or whatever it was, and it caused this in my neck. You just make the association. I don’t need to write it down to see the pattern. I know this is what did it. If I had MSG, I would know like that. I don’t need to reference a diet log how can people make those connections better through the diet log? And how does that look?
Yeah, I mean, it’s any operate from the perspective. Anything can affect anything ultimately. Right? I mean there’s I, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve figured things out on patients. I mean, the media glyphosate thing is a great example. For years I kept saying wait gallbladder. You know, wheat seems to mock up the gallbladder. What is the deal? And then I heard this, this researcher, MIT researcher Stephanie Seneff talking about how, you know, glyphosate in the wheat inhibits bile production. It’s like, there’s the answer, you know, so, I mean, we can figure those things out. We don’t necessarily have to understand Krebs cycle or, you know, the biochemistry that happens. I mean, it’s about being your own best advocate. Doctors aren’t always going to be able to figure it out. I mean, you live with you, so pay attention. So again, maybe it is. Maybe you have to keep a log for a week or two or, or even more simplistically, oops, I had a headache. Write down the last three things that you ate so that you know that we it’s not as time consuming about writing every single thing you eat. you can work backwards from symptom, you know? Oops. I ate these three things. you know, second time you did it. Wait. Like this. Here’s the same similarity in the food. So it’ll start rising to the surface of what the triggers are. Yes. The blood type diet also can help simplify that. there’s an app the blood type diet. app I have no correlation in there, it’s 399. But that way you have I mean, everybody has their phone with them at all times, right? So I mean, that’s part of what really proved out the blood type for me. I take my daughter to matching food on our way to church, and every time I’d fall asleep in church, it’s like, wait a minute, what I eat. And so I kept modifying it until I wasn’t falling asleep in church. I figured out some of the different beans in there for me. Black beans. Because an insulin dump. You know, corn for sure. I don’t touch corn because it’ll give me L5 low back pain center of the low back adrenal type of low back pain almost immediately. if not the next morning. but again, beans will cause that hypoglycemia, which then leads to brain fog, you know, cause carb sugar cravings. So you pull out the app and realize, oops, that had black beans listed on the avoid list. Now I understand the correlations. So there’s tools like that that can help us be our best advocate and lobby for ourselves to be our best.
right. Yeah. There’s no one diet is best for everybody. We can’t be here saying, hey, you need to eat like this. You need to eat all animal foods or all, you know, vegetation only you need to be vegan or vegetarian, right? Or, you know, no carbohydrates or no fats or no proteins. You know, focus on, you know, everyone’s going to be different. For me, I do well with a balance between animal foods and fruits and vegetables. Yes. I do well with things that are organic, things that are natural, real foods not processed. We can pretty much say that for everyone. You want real food not processed for sure. I tend to do better on less carbohydrates, more fats, and more proteins. Right? well, isn’t that horrible for you? You know, that was a lie told to us. But I like the fact that you are on the same page in that. No, everyone’s different. We need to figure out the foods that work for us, for you. You need to figure out the foods that work for you right?
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I was a bodybuilder. So I was eating high protein meals and all that. And I was, you know, in school I’m like, oh, vegetarian is the way and you need honey, we’re going to be vegetarians. And so my wife and I became vegetarians and she thrived. And I got sick almost immediately. I’m like, okay, wait a minute, this didn’t work for me. It’s, it’s okay. It’s because I’m not eating enough protein. You know, again, I’m a B blood type. And so for me, you know, veggie avocados crash my immune system. Tomatoes have caused me to crave sugars. And, you know, some of the other corn, those are all crash my immune system. So I was eating a bunch of that stuff, trying to be this healthy vegetarian. And those foods for most of those,
the vegetable in general, pescatarian or vegetable type diet, works great for the, A blood type, which is my wife. for me it was wrong. So then, we went, basically what now would be called paleo. and I did high protein. She got sick. So it’s like, we don’t know what’s something’s here. And then I got exposed to the blood type diet and and son of a skeptic. I said, okay, nice guideline, but I’m going to eat avocado because I’m. At that time I was racing and I still am but racing bikes. So I, I’m like, I need the good fat every time I need that avocado, my immune system crash my sinuses and get worse. So I wait a minute, this isn’t work and but it’s my love, my beloved avocado. Now what? You know. So I had to find healthier substitutes. That would work. My wife thrives on avocado. She does great on it. She puts it on. Practically everything works wonderful for her.
My wife and I, do well on the same foods. I think I hit the jackpot on that. One lucky thing. And I said, you know, we. Can shop together and we love the same things. I would think it would be tough to have, you know, two different diet plans in the same room, in the same house, in the same refrigerator.
Wow.
I have three daughters, all three different blood types.
Oh, no.
I call it good sense of humor to make sure I learn them all. You know?
Yeah, well, I and I don’t even know my own blood type. I think it would. I’d probably do well to know and look into it and say, oh, that makes a lot of sense as I. But I don’t even know what kind of blood I have,
my.Guess is you’re an O blood type, but check it out.
Yeah. Okay. and you say that because of the, like, the fats and the proteins or the fats and. Proteins, sounds like you enjoy anaerobic exercise. You know, high intensity training distresses your blood type. carbonated water is is stabilizing and is actually good for the blood type. For me, it crashes my immune system as B blood type, and the A blood types don’t do well on it. Those will thrive. I mean, a couple of my old docs that have worked for me, would do that, you know, seltzer water as their midday snack. And I’d like pep them up and keep them going for the rest of the day.
So things like it’s I like the bubbly thing. I try to I try to not have too much of it. only because there is some research and maybe it is in different blood types that suggest this was through rats, where they suggested it actually wasn’t sodas making people fat, but it could be the bubbles.
Interesting.
And they essentially did experiments where they gave rats plain water and bubbly water and flat soda is an option. Okay. And in the different groups that were there, the rats that got the bubble water actually got the fattest.
Interesting.
Okay. Well, that’s interesting. There’s not that much, you know, research that’s been done on it to really solid lock that in. But it’s a potential.
Right. Right.
but my you know this is my treat my every now and then I’ll have the carbonated water. 25 years ago before I knew better it was diet soda.
Ouch.
And I eventually made the connection and realize that every time I have a Diet Coke, it was a Diet Coke at the time. That was my thing. I would have Tinnitus. No, I actually had Tinnitus continuous because I had Diet Coke every day 25 years ago. Yeah, maybe it’s 30 years ago. I don’t know.
Eventually I decided it wasn’t good for me because the aspartame. Yeah. And I knew that was a neurotoxin, so I stopped. But one day I wanted to go back to it, and I never really realized that my tinnitus had disappeared until it came back, almost immediately upon having that Diet Coke.
Yes. Yeah.
Which made me realize, wow, symptoms like Tinnitus are probably just biochemical from crap that we’re consuming in our diets.
Right? So much there to unpack. I mean, that’s a hard subject to mine. You mean you read the first part of the book, right? It sounds like where I talked about that to some degree. I just in January, I lost my mom basically, to diet sodas. So I very, a very much a sensitive subject to me. And I told my mom that 20, 25 years ago, you know, look, what you’re doing is not going to work. You’re going to you’re going to be dependent on others. I missed the mark there. She wasn’t dependent on anybody. She just passed basically ten years before she should have. And ultimately it was brain degeneration, you know, brain swelling and kidneys shut down, you know, and she had arthritis and all kinds of other stuff. ultimately, because she literally lived on she had diet soda in under her arm, 24 seven, you know, so, yeah, it’s very sensitive subjects for me, physically for your athletes that are listening to this, aspartame, even in gum or breath mints sometimes that so does that can cause a weakness of the quad muscles. The thigh muscles. And so that’ll cause those kneecap patellar tracking type of, aches and pains when a person runs or rides a bike. So there’s another kind of subtle hint for people to watch for, to head off the Alzheimer’s. You know, the brain, neuro degeneration and inflammation and depression that would go along with consumption of something like a diet soda or even, again, to the extent of gum or breath mints that almost always, unless you’re pursuing something without it, virtually all gums and breath mints are going to have Aspartame in It makes it addictive as well. It makes it sweet, sugar free, low calorie, but addictive. So I mean, if I was running a business, that’s what I’d want to create too, right?
Yeah. in your opinion, is there any safe sweet substitutes?
Stevia works for most people. just. Yeah. It’s often it’s very, very sweet. And if you can see it, it’s probably too much. So most companies are going to bind it with something else. Some of the companies use bind it with erythritol, which is not great. that’s kind of along those, you know Aspartame sort of neurochemistry. so, some of the different companies, like there’s a liquid, stevia and some of the other stevia products work. Well, a lot of the supplement companies are even using Luo Han Now, that’s kind of the current buzz. so that Luo Han is a nice sweetener that doesn’t seem to have a glycemic index. Seems to work pretty well. at this point in time, in the research.
yeah. So, yeah, 15, 20 years ago, you know, they were talking about the sugar alcohols and the xylitols and. Right, suggesting that that was safe and even beneficial for your teeth. Why? Because it’s antibacterial. Wait a second. The things I eat, I’m feeding to my gut. Flora. Should I be feeding them an antibacterial? Right. Something that’s designed to kill them,
right
no.
Yes, we know it’s not. It’s not. It’s not good. but for me, yes. As my go to, as well. And it is very, very powerful. So yeah, there’s even stuff coming out now. Yeah. It only takes a tiny, tiny bit.
See it.
right. And they’re even saying that it’s got some anti-lime properties these days I don’t know if you’ve seen any of that. they’re saying stevia may help kill some of the lime pathogens.
Interestingly I did not know that I did read about the anti-cancer. properties but I did not know anti-lime.
Yeah.
So I imagine at some point we’ll hopefully figure out it has some benefit to pathways like Sulfation or methylation. for me methylation and P450 the first phase of detox starting to talk you know higher end here. But those are key pathways in the, the cancer sort of paradigm. So anything we can do to facilitate those, would be beneficial. basically the mechanism, I try to put it in simple terms, methylation at one of the key pathways in the liver, that activates tumor suppressor, the tumor suppressor gene. So when methylation gets inhibited or doesn’t function properly, then we start losing that mechanism to break down those tumor cells. And we always have tumor cells. Right. But why do they run amok And so methylation gets compromised by stress. Unfortunately gets compromised by toxic metals. which are too heavy hitters. And then now retroviruses, things like think (beep) So those are all potential triggers that can inhibit that methylation pathway. Open the door for if there was good news and cancer opens the doors for more benign cancers. And so that’s going to be the cancer that’s localized that we can cut out and move on. so then conversely, when P450 that pathway when that’s the first phase of detoxification. So when that pathway runs amok. and the toxins don’t get them properly detox in the rest of the phase 2 detox pathways, that’s what sets the stage for malignant cancers. That pathways typically runs amok, if you will, from a more cold flu. what I call it DNA virus that ramps up that phase 1 detoxification. And so then we basically oxidize, if you will, toxins and then they don’t get properly broken down. And that causes cells all over the body to mutate. Sidebar.
Yeah. It’s funny I was going to say something about it, but, you know, I, I’m going to actually have to cut one of the words out that you said, because the last person that used that word, YouTube had a certain warning sign underneath my video.
Oh. right. Anyway, so we’ll call it mutated. What it is when cells cause the cells to mutate. Yeah I can see that.
yeah. Good stuff. tell me your favorite testimonial. or even a couple of them people that came in with no hope, maybe have been to others. Or maybe. Maybe they maybe you were their first stop. But life changed.
Yeah. so many, would say that’s a good one. yeah. So you we just talked about a gal with cells mutating on the right side of her head. and we were able to do these changes for the gallbladder, and we were able to physically see on MRI the shrinkage of those mutating cells. Now,
no cancer. We’re allowed to talk about. yeah.
All right. It was, (cough) virus.
So. Well, that being okay, so that was retroviruses that we were talking about there. Okay. so yeah. So that causes the cells to mutate and, and it just really begs the question of anything right side on the right side of the head. a lot of right sided issues are gallbladder, for example. So in her case, most of what I was doing was things to facilitate the functioning of the gallbladder. Of course, every time she was there I’ll adjust T4 and adjust C6. But before I did that, I’d look at what it was. It was causing the gallbladder to not function properly. things. Choline. helps the gallbladder function. beech leaf juice. Those thin, the bile, those will help the gallbladder. So those are things somebody can do at home if they have these right sided headaches or incidentally, the right knee is often going to get weak, because of the popliteus, a little muscle in the back of the knee that gets weak when the gallbladder is not functioning. So, have I had her taking a beet based product? had her, you know, off of the wheat corn, soy, oats type stuff that had the glyphosate in it, and, treated the emotions, the anger, frustration and resentment. They were showing up, and it was a beautiful thing to see that tumor actually shrink in the right side of her brain.
Wow. That’s huge. Yeah. I, you know, I used to like telling my stories, but I’ve never I haven’t had one quite like that. So now mine, I don’t I don’t think I’m ever going to tell mine again.
No stories inspire you keep it going. it’s that human element. My, my favorite was just pure chiropractic with this guy Charlie who came in and pain going down his arm, pain going down his leg. And it started that day. And for me, I at the time I took an X-ray and when I saw his L3 like this, I got all excited and put him on his side and laid into it because I was determined to fix it in one visit. Right. And, Charlie was a black man that looked a little bit like the guy that was on that little fishing boat in the movie Caddyshack. Oh, yeah. If you’ve seen that Rodney Dangerfield come in in this huge yacht and the guy sitting on the boat fishing Rodney driving this yacht doesn’t see the guy fishing, and he the guy fishing sees the boat casually, looks over, turns away, and then realizes it’s a boat coming. He looks back at the boat and his eyes turn about the size of donuts, and he walks off into the water. When I adjusted this guy’s lumbar vertebrae, he had that exact same look. He reminded me of the guy jumping off a fishing boat in Caddyshack, right? And it was one of those, like, what? What just happened? And it sounded like someone literally sat on a bag of potato chips. I mean, just everything popping and crunching, and I move that bone. And yes, I fixed it in one visit.
Yes. But when he came back the next day, it was funny. He said, he said, Dr. Haley, something you did? I said, what’s going on? He said, first thing he said is he said, I can have sex again. No. Yeah, yeah. He said, I can have sex again. And I looked at his intake forms. I said, you didn’t check this box where you were having a challenge in that area. He said, I didn’t know it would be related. I didn’t know it could have anything to do with my back. Something he did. I said, what are you talking about? And there’s more. he said, yeah, he said, I don’t have constipation anymore. I said, how long have you been constipated? He said, for ten years.
Ouch.
I said, yeah, I said, what was that look on your face? Because it was instant when I adjusted him right, he said I had to go. To the bathroom. He was instantly calculating. How much time am I going to make at home? I got something going on here that I gotta deal with now,
right?
Yeah. See, that’s a great story. And that’s the power of what a blessing we have to change lives in such a profound way. I mean, how can how can we retire out of this right?
Absolutely. And chiropractic is a wonderful thing. And I like the whole body approach that you’re taking to it, looking at other things. So I got a kind of a, introductory version of your book. Okay. Thank you for That.
Absolutely.
When is it actually going to be available where people can purchase it? Yeah. So it’s in the final stages of editing.
so yeah, people can go to headacheadvantage.com on that website, there’s, there’s links to the seven different patterns. they can click on those links and that’ll discuss the typical food triggers for those patterns of headaches. or links to potentially purchase supplements. based on that pattern, I try to whittle it down with a couple of questions. So try this one supplement. I’m a minimalist. from that perspective, I try to do as much with this little as possible. so I try to keep it simple. I know a lot of people in my, in this whole body feel, recommend protocols for every single thing that person has. And it’s a bit overwhelming. So I try to keep it very simple. So headache advantage.com is they can put their email in there. They’ll get notified when the book is available, which should be, from the time from this time of recording should be another month. probably two months, literally by the time it’s, published and printing and so on.
Okay. Excellent. And tell us about your practice. Where is it and is that a different website?
So drvrzal.com D R V R Z A L I’m in Laguna Niguel, Southern California. been doing that as sounds like as you for a little over 30 years now. we have a great team there several docs that’ll practice similarly. so love to see you that way if you’re, if you’re local, we actually since that other infectious thing that you talked about a few years ago, we’ve been doing remote even I have, you know, patients all over the world that we can do, remote to help them figure out what the triggers in their life or lifestyle are.
Excellent. Excellent. Is there anything else that you wish I had asked that you’d love to share?
What a great question. it’s such a wonderful subject. I mean, mostly I just thank you for what you’re doing and trying to help educate the population and help inspire people to change. Let’s help empower people to learn, you know, take advantage of, what their body is trying to tell them. so I commend you for what you’re doing and making a difference and helping to create products that, can help people be healthier and enjoy a better quality of life.
yeah, I can say the same about you. Thank you, All right. Well, thank you for joining me.
Appreciate the opportunity. Take good care.
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