Escaping “Half Truths” of the Medical Industry with Dr. Joseph Jacko

Most physicians

have good intentions. And if you’re a research

academic center and you’re getting funding from a pharmaceutical company to study a drug, you feel like you’re advancing science,

but you have no control over how that study is being published or how that information is going to be presented.

So you don’t see some of the things that they’re doing behind the scenes that are misleading

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This is the Dr. Haley Show podcast. We have a special treat for you. Dr. Joseph Jacko author of bamboozled, duped and Hoodwinked Keys to Escaping the Tricks, deceptions, and Half Truths of the Medical Industry. Dr. Jacko, thank you for being here today. Are you in Ohio? Yes I am. Yeah. Are you a Buckeye Oh, yes, I am. It’s our problem.

No, not at all. Actually, you know, I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio. Oh So did I okay. Strongsville. Specifically.

we had some property in Columbus, and my father went to University of Dayton, so we’re kind of like

Ohioans. And when it comes to football, even though I left in 1979, to this day, I’m an Ohio State Buckeye fan and I don’t know how they do it.

They stay that number one for years and years. What have they been the most recession proof team

in the modern era? Recession proof that they are

You know, they don’t look like college players though. In fact, they look bigger than the guys that I see in the NFL. Some of the are Stronger, Faster. Yeah. Absolutely amazing. I’ve been reading some of your book.

I wonder how you got away with that. For anyone that’s listening right now, you have to. There’s going to be a link in the show notes. Head over. Check it out on Amazon. A lot of it is given to you. You don’t even have to buy it. And if you choose to buy it, he’s not charging enough for it.

It’s obviously you want to get that information out there, and it is absolutely wonderful. You wrote this book kind of exposing things in medicine, right? Was it a fear that you would lose your license? Well, times. Yeah, that was certainly in the back of my mind at times. And, as you write something like this, you take a step back and you wonder if you should go ahead and publish it.

And you also wonder if maybe you’re the crazy one and everybody else is right. But I thought the information was far too more important to keep to myself. And a lot of the information

are things that I learned over 35 years of practicing medicine, but most of that really within the last 10 to 12 years.

Yeah. And

it really is. Oh, I don’t know how to say it, but

it’s so direct and makes so much sense that I would think you would almost be having threats on your life. Well, I don’t think it’s out there far enough into the medical field among the professionals yet. So in terms of,

marketing I’ve been trying to keep it more away from physicians and more to the consumer at this point.

But, yeah,

it was actually fairly easy

to write in a way. And my goal was to be as factual as possible. And the book is in my opinion, the book is reference well enough that it can defend itself. There’s like 381 references. It’s very common sense. Yeah. And, I try to be fair, I try, I think in many cases point to you know both sides of the story.

Some of it’s my opinion.

But I try to take the reader through what goes on behind the scenes and try to explain to them that they’re not getting all the information that they need to make the best decisions for their

health. And in part, it’s because we as doctors are sometimes kept in the dark because our training is very,

well,

you know, manipulated or,

couch to serve what I call the pharmaceutical medical complex.

So it’s there to it’s been carefully crafted, if you will, our education. I have a friend that refers to it as the medical mafia, which kind of makes sense because

it’s not the doctors. It’s other people that have interests, and they program the doctors. We’re all programed. I’m a different kind of doctor. I’m a doctor of chiropractic, and we all are programed in our own, you know, by our professions and, and their beliefs.

And they put them on us and, and some of us choose to decide for ourselves what is accurate, right? I almost uncomfortable reading this little excerpt from your book. I posted this on Facebook this morning. Okay. And the reason I’m uncomfortable with it is because it could turn this podcast into, you know, censorship. Okay. It might take it away from being out there,

but you were talking about a particular,

thing that people would get stuck in their arms to prevent something that was going around in 2019.

And you likely heard that the, vaccines, I shouldn’t even said that word, were 95% effective in preventing infection and 100% effective in preventing death. Those are relative risk reductions. And they sound impressive, but they are misleading. Let’s examine this further. Just one Covid 19 death is prevented for every 22,000 people who were vaccinated per Pfizer’s study. For every 22,000 unvaccinated, two died from Covid 19.

I’m saying the words it’s is what it is. Hopefully it’s truth. Hopefully this gets out there for every 22,000 vaccinated. One died from the disease. So we got 2 or 1 for every 22,000 people. That represents a 100% relative risk reduction in deaths. And that’s why people are saying it’s 100% effective. Essentially, going from 2 to 1 represents a 100% reduction, but 22,000 must be vaccinated to achieve that.

One less death. That 100% relative risk reduction is very misleading. It is a half truth, and this is what we’re finding in your book, half truths. And when you’re presented a half truth like it’s 100% effective and this is science.

It’s very, very misleading until you see the other half, which you got to say, okay. For every 22,000 people that are vaccinated, are there any risks?

Right. And actually, Sure. And what I didn’t mention in the book. Well, I mentioned it later in the chapter on the vaccine.

on the Pfizer study is more people in the vaccinated group actually died.

So there was one fewer Covid deaths, but there were more cardiac deaths, so that the overall death rate was actually higher and those that received the vaccine.

Yeah. So

why the big push and why medical doctors think that it was a good thing to do? Well, the why push I think, I think everybody will have to come to their own conclusion on that. That takes us, you know, to some

conspiracy theories. But as far as doctors, the doctors, for the most part,

if you look at us, we’re kind of great at the straight.

A’s do it in high school and college. We’re doing what we’re told. We respect authority, and we respect authority so much that we blindly follow it. And the physicians were simply following what the CDC was saying. I think physicians today were so busy, you know, to kind of keep up with chart work and all the things that have nothing to do with or very little to do with medical care that we kind of defaulted to this mindset of just tell me what to do and I’ll do it without really questioning things.

And I think that was a big reason why a lot of physicians were, you know, promoting the vaccines, among their patients. Well, the scary part about that is as patients, we see doctors with that same authority and almost see them as godlike. Right. And if they say it, it must be true. And oh, come on, I’m not going to listen to what you’re saying.

You’re just so-and-so. You’re just a guy on a podcast. You’re just an author of a book. You’re not a medical doctor. What kind of doctor are you? Oh, you’re just a chiropractor. You’re not a medical doctor. Right. And we see medical doctors as these super, you know, godlike creatures. And bring it real for us. You know, we know you study.

We know you’re smart people, but,

we’re humans. We’re flaw to, in a book. I go through the process of how we groom patients to be medical dependents.

we create medical dependance out of everybody. You’re told to trust your physician. We, as physicians are told to trust our training, not realizing that we’re being manipulated, if you will.

We’re told that everything outside of the traditional or conventional box is not worthy of our time, whether it be chiropractic, naturopath, acupuncture, and don’t waste our time with that.

so we give patients a very limited option right out of the gate. And historically, physicians have been very well respected, even more so than clergy, although I think some of that’s beginning to change a little.

But I think more and more patients are beginning to wake up and see that there are other alternatives that we don’t share with them.

Yeah.

Well, I think it was a chiropractor in the 50s that said something like, if you took all of the drugs and threw them into the ocean, it would be good for mankind, bad for the fish now.

Right. I’ll agree with you that medications can save lives. But they’re over used. Correct. What is the purpose of a medicine? Does it cure anything? Well

They don’t cure anything.

They don’t get to the root cause, at least in the vast majority of the cases. So they’re basically hiding symptoms. And I just saw today there’s a summary of a study out of Estonia where I know about 3000 patients that most drugs end up,

affecting your gut microbiome.

So if you affect your gut microbiome and all those little organisms in our gut, you know, little pharmaceutical plants are taking what we eat, and they make molecules that we need for good health. So every time we take a drug,

over a long,

term. We’re affecting that in an unhealthy way. And

most medications, if you look at their names they’re blockers beta blockers they’re inhibitors.

So

they’re actually interfering in a negative way of a biochemical process or a function that you were meant to have. So it just seems to make sense that over time you’re changing your physiology and not for the better. Yeah. This is going to be a weird statement, very related to what you just said, followed by a question.

And that is medications are kind of based on the concept that if we give them to someone that is sick, they will get healthier. But if we give medicine to a completely healthy person, can they get healthier? No. So part of what drives this is. So when we give a medicine like a high blood pressure medicine, we’re not giving it to you necessary to lower your blood pressure.

We’re really giving it to you so that your risk of heart attack or stroke goes down. So anybody who has high blood pressure, we give them medicine too, but only a small number, maybe one out of 100 is actually going to benefit from it. But our thinking is we don’t know who that one is. So let’s give it to everybody.

And even if they don’t benefit

from the drug, we’re not hurting them. But that’s the statement that we really can’t say We probably are, in fact, hurting quite a few of those who are not actually benefiting from the drug. Kind of like the vaccine that might save

one person out of 22,000 from Covid, but correct?

Correct. They die from other things. Right?

Well.

thinking more about that,

if you give a blood pressure lowering medicine to someone with a distended aorta calcified, you know, an aneurysm that you suspect might burst, it probably be a good thing, but a temporary solution. And I would think that the goal should be to get that person off the medicine by doing what was needed to make their blood pressure normal through lifestyle to, you know, if a surgery was needed to stop that

aneurysm from rupturing.

You know, but the goal should be this medicine is to buy time. while we help the patient get well. Oh, yeah,

I think the way you said it is perfect. They should be to use to buy time. And we’re talking about drugs that are used for chronic problems. Now that are lifestyle related. And that’s the way I look at it.

I mean, you’re not gonna let a person walk around with the blood pressure of 190 over 110 and wait for lifestyle to kick in. You’re going to treat them, get the blood pressure under control, and then, you know, working on the weight loss, changing the diet, working on the exercise and then maybe wean up to

the lowest dose necessary or preferably get them off it altogether.

Yes. And there are a lot of medical doctors that have that mindset. Yes. There’s also a lot that they’re so ingrained that we give medications. And this people typically don’t make any changes. Therefore I’m in the habit of just giving them medicine for life and adjusting it as it gets worse. Yeah. The challenge for physicians is the way the system works is you don’t really have time

to educate the patient.

Mean medicines is very much an educational process, and you have to have a system in place for where you can

teach patients on exercise and nutrition. And most doctors just don’t. They don’t have a nutritionist or exercise physiologist on staff. So unfortunately, the easiest thing to do is to write the prescription. Right now, being in the profession, I know the answer to this, but I’m going to ask you about it because you’re a medical doctor.

Might have a different take. Why don’t we have the time to spend out with our patients? Well, the part of it is reimbursement for physicians is going down. So on one hand, they’re trying to see more patients in a less amount of time. Also there’s pressure by the hospital system for unemployed physicians. So 74% of physicians are now employed, which is very much different than when I first came out.

And they monitor you. I recall about 12, 13 years ago, I was at a hospital function and a young physician was sitting next to me at dinner, and she was ten months into her first year in practice, and she told me about her six month review, and she said it had nothing to do with patient care. She said the review was conducted by someone for the accounting department.

She was told

she was spending too much time with patients.

Consequently, she wasn’t seen enough. She wasn’t selling enough to the subspecialists that wasn’t ordering enough MRI scans. So you’re under the gun to see a lot of patients in a short period of time, and largely for financial reasons.

And it’s only gotten more and more complicated from there, where you have these, you know, so many middlemen and administration people that now we have to pay on top of the doctors. And it’s created a lot more paperwork. And

there’s people that are going to test your paperwork and make sure it meets the standards. And if not, we’re going to take your money back.

Well, now, I’m afraid so. I have to make more paperwork, and it’s gotten to be a big mess. Back in, well, 2010 ish, actually, it was probably 2008 or so when I was writing, to our governors and even our president and trying to say, hey, there’s a solution to the health care problem. One of the ways we complicated it is an insurance company is going to charge a patient, and, they’re going to how does it work?

The insurance company is getting money from the patient. And then when it comes to pay out, they’re paying. Oh. They’re also getting. Yeah, they’re getting money from the customer. The insured. And then they will sometimes pay back the customer, and sometimes they’re going to, pay the doctor. The doctor’s getting money from the insurance company and the patient.

And it was kind of like, why don’t doctors get paid completely from the insurance company? And then the insurance company go back and balance bill, including co-payments and deductibles. And from my perspective, that’s going to eliminate a lot of fraud, because now the doctors can’t write off the copayments and deductibles. And they would just be a whole different system in place there.

And the people would be the gatekeepers when they get that explanation of benefits. There’s a lot said in a short period of time that’s probably going to confuse people listening

There’s a simpler way. But instead they said, no,

you know, we asked for health care solutions. Where are they? No one’s said anything, and I did.

So I know that’s a lie. And they went through with this Affordable Care Act that didn’t get any more affordable.

It got more complicated. Everything is more complicated. And now doctors are terrified that they’re going to be requested to pay money back. Two years after seeing a patient about two and a half years. Blue Cross Blue Shield asked me for money because they overpaid me and they just didn’t, you know, I guess, no, their agreement with the patient.

So

I refused to pay them. So they took it out of the next patient, thing. And so I had to go back to my patient after two and a half years and say, you owe me money from this visit. Nearly three years ago.

It’s a ridiculous system. That was the day I quit taking insurance. I now I looked you up online. You have hundreds and hundreds of five star reviews on different platforms. So you must have a lot of patients and you don’t take insurance, right? Is that correct? I started that three years ago, so I made the move three years ago.

Okay. For me, it’s been 7 or 8 years, probably maybe ten. I don’t know. But probably for similar reasons, I’m guessing correct. Yeah. If you look at the medical profession, of all the industries out there, we follow kind of free market principles the least, and it’s a very manipulated market. Our values are being

determined by the insurance companies rather than between negotiating with the patient.

A good doctor will get reimbursed. The same as a bad doctor for doing the same thing.

It’s not really a merit system, so it’s just really frustrating. And so. And I mentioned this in the book from

1975 to 2010, the number of doctors increased 150%, keeping up with population growth, but the number of administrators went up

to a 3200%.

And a lot of them are kind of controlling how you practice. And making our lives miserable. And they have to be paid so and have to be paid, right. That money’s coming. Yeah. Everybody’s kind of finding a way to find where the money is. And

they find a way to get themselves inserted into that pathway. Yeah, yeah.

So who is truly controlling the doctors and the patients and before answering that, I actually want to tell you about a little study I did in the 90s. It wasn’t a difficult study. It involved watching a lot of TV. And what I realized was happening is for every hour of TV, there would be I’m going to round the numbers off to make the math easy.

About five series of TV commercials, and in each series of TV commercials, there would be one drug advertisement.

So that would be about five drug ads where you’re convinced that you should take this to, you know, stop yourself from

sneezing, or sleep better at night, or your eyes are watering or whatever the case is.

At the time, they said the average American was watching like 18 hours of TV a week. But to make the math simple, let’s reduce it down to ten hours. That would be just 50 drug commercials per week, and if there were only 50 weeks in a year instead of 52, that would be 2500 drug commercials per year. And this is using conservative numbers.

If you’ve been watching TV for a decade, we’re up to

25,000, little brainwashing segments. And, you know, I’ve been watching TV for, well, nearly 60 years, so we’ll call it 40, though that’s over 100,000 little brainwashing just from TV. Forget the magazines, the internet, the billboards and all of the other ways we’re being exposed to, you know, you need the nighttime sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head fever so you could rest medicine.

And you may not have heard that phrase in ten years, but everybody thinks NyQuil. Who’s controlling us when it comes to, you know, we need drugs. Drugs, drugs. Oh, the pharmaceutical companies have their hand in almost everything. About 10% of the revenue for

TV networks comes from the pharmaceutical industry. I think anybody who watched the last Summer Olympics saw probably every other commercial was a drug commercial.

So I. Yeah. So only two countries allowed commercials on TV. That’s the United States and Australia. Or maybe it’s New Zealand. I think it’s New Zealand.

But yeah, those advertisers know what they’re doing. They know how to get into the brain of the consumer. And

you hear something and it sounds great at

particularly if you have that condition and you go to your doctor and the doctor gladly gives you the medication.

How does that make it into the FDA? CDC, National Institute of Health. What you mean by that? Well, the commercial or not, whether it’s commercials and they’re controlling because of their spending so much money, but somehow the FDA has to allow that, for instance. So the FDA gets about when you look at the drug review process,

they get 60% of this funding from the drug companies through. The FDA, I’m going to say that again. The FDA gets 60% of their funding from the drug companies. So salaries are mostly paid by drug companies. Correct. So that’s for the drug review process. And I at one point, I believe 60% of the FDA’s funding was on salaries.

So in effect, pharmaceutical companies are footing the bill for their employing the FDA staff. Okay. So but

the pharmaceutical companies also contribute to organizations like

the Ada American Cancer Institute. And so when you go to those websites, I mean, the information there is good, but the information related to treatment is probably going to be biased and leaning towards the use of a medication.

They also donate to physician organizations and their annual meetings, as you know. And then they also contribute to the medical journals and medical schools and academic centers. So they’re very

smart. They’re very savvy. In the book,

I make the point that they made

themselves indispensable, not because of their drugs, but because of their money. And almost everybody in the system somewhat relies on the pharmaceutical funding to stay afloat.

So it’s not going away. It’s an interesting system. If you’ve ever read the Flexner Report, which I think was written in like 1910. Yeah.

if you read it, it’s actually very convincing that it was put together for the safety and benefit of the people, but it created this system of, well, that we still have to this day,

where, you know, the doctors are being controlled and manipulated by the universities that they get their education in.

And there’s great pressure for the universities to maintain a certain curriculum. It looks like it’s there for our safety, just like it looks like the FDA is there for our safety. And I don’t believe that the majority of the people in these organizations universities are evil. I think they’re duped. You know, your book is called, bamboozled.

It was it duped? Yeah. But I was duped and hoodwinked. And in order for people to be bamboozled, there has to be bamboozlers Correct? There has to be dupers. And there has to be hoodwinkers. Right? And the majority of the people and physicians, you know, like most physicians I know, are very, very good people, and they are happy to get paid by helping other people.

And they think that’s what they’re doing. And a lot of the cases. Oh yeah. Most physicians have good intentions. And if you’re a research academic center and you’re getting funding from a pharmaceutical company to study a drug, you feel like you’re advancing science, but you have no control over how that study is being published or how that information is going to be presented.

But you’re doing your part. I’m advancing science. So you don’t see some of the things that they’re doing behind the scenes that are misleading

and you might not even recognize your own personal incentive to help the people that are so friendly to you and paying your salary. Right? Yeah. If anybody who gives you money, you’re certainly going to look at them, favorably.

It is a crazy system. Do you do you take any medications? Yeah, I take some.

And with that, and because I think they say the average person that’s like I think is a 70 year old, the average 70 year old is taking 13 medications or something like that. I take some for, off label use because I’m dealing with stage three prostate cancer.

So things like metformin, it helps lower blood sugar. Cancer cells need blood sugar. So so that’s one reason I take that one I see. Yeah. And are you combining that with natural things? I’ve tried a

lot of supplements. Yeah.

So. And hey, we’re good. I’m glad to hear that. I know you do your research diet. You you know, you know, there’s beneficial, medicinal compounds in plant foods, right?

Right. Yeah. The other thing I found real helpful is I do, and I now do a three day fast every month. Okay? And I allow myself 200 calories on days. I really get kind of break down and can’t discipline myself, but I love it. Day three I feel great on day three.

I have a little assignment for you for your own benefit. Sure. And you know,

if we talk about this

and you, think about what I’m doing here, and I don’t know my own motivations, okay? Because I’m a human. But I’m going to suggest you research aloe vera, how it might affect the PSA and its anti-cancer potential.

Specifically, if you look up the sugar molecule mannose. And how that impacts your blood sugar levels and things like that be very, very interesting. Okay. What you will find is some confusing, research that, a lot of medical doctors run into this first, and that is that aloe vera causes cancer.

what they never tell you about the study is it was done on an extract from the outer leaf, which is where the irritant is.

The part that has the laxative effect. And the reason the FDA and the National Institute of Health got that study going was because we had supplement companies making capsules full of the outer leaf extract so people could

take those to help with their constipation. Okay. But on the inside of that leaf is the calming, healing, immune stimulating, nutrition side with the Mucopolysaccharides with The main sugar being the mannose, that actually lowers blood sugar levels, increases tumor necrosis factor, interferons, and interleukins, and causes the macrophages to better see which cells need to be dealt with.

Okay, so fun little, I will look it up for sure. This is something for you to look up. Yeah. Thank you. Tell us about your practice. I understand that you even have massage therapists,

and you’re doing some anti-aging things. Correct. So I’m with another physician, and it’s a preventive medicine wellness practice. We have a kind of a medical division, a fitness division, a sports development division and a sports recovery division.

So it’s all housed in about 60,000ft². So you can join, you can kind of go alla cart, or you could be a member, you pay X amount of dollars a month, and for that you get your fitness, you get unlimited doctor visits. We do a VO2 max, body composition, bone density study, resting metabolic rate. You meet with a dietitian and an exercise physiologist.

And then we do have a physical therapist on staff. So if you’re a member you get kind of discount this kind of services for that. So we don’t take any insurance ourselves. But certainly if we order lab work or MRI scans, a patient can use their insurance. So we try to try to be one stop shopping for everybody.

So it’s really geared towards optimal health and function. And so we obviously attract a certain type of patient

60,000ft². Sounds larger than some hospitals. Well now

in part of it’s not even being used. So we’re kind of building it out as we get the money to do it. All right. Yeah. Well that’s exciting.

You could take away most of the medical profession, and it

It will not change the longevity

the field of medicine. We do help, I think, a lot with the quality of life issue. But,

if you read the book I write a chapter on, does medicine matter? And most of the increase in longevity really has to do with things like sanitation and clean water and use of antibiotics for acute infections.

Very little bit has to do with, our medical interventions. Yeah. The definition of mainstream medicine. And you gave me that

in your book, the definition of medicine. But the definition of mainstream medicine, as it’s written on the. Let me see, is it that cancer.gov website, I believe, but it had to do with, you know, medical professionals, doctors, nurses and stuff, treating symptoms and disease primarily with chemotherapy, radiation, you know, medications and things of that nature.

When you’re treating patients, it’s a different story than treating symptoms. How does that play into longevity and anti-aging? Well we really focus a lot on lifestyle because that’s where what you eat is probably the most important thing

you do. You are what you eat. And then how you use that is important. Activities are very important. So we try to really emphasize that part,

where medications have I think can help longevity.

They’re going to be in the areas of hormones, particularly our sex hormones. And we try to restore people to, you know, get their levels back to where they were in their early to mid 30s. The other compounds that have benefit are peptides, which are some recent, quite a few restrictions on use in those. But those are somewhat like hormones.

But they facilitate or magnify

normal function. And so those are maybe two exceptions to the roles of where medicine can be really helpful

and potentially aid longevity. Other things are being studied too, like metformin and rapamycin and some other things I’m sure you’re aware of. You know, it’s actually really interesting and refreshing to kind of hear you talk about, longevity and health because most health care is actually, you know, this and I think you wrote it in your book is sick care.

It’s not health care.

it’s like, you know, you didn’t buy life insurance, you bought death insurance. You have to die to cash it in. But when we’re doing anti-aging and longevity care, it’s

about health and wellness and the actual patient, which is probably another reason not to actually take insurance, because insurance doesn’t really pay for health care.

They pay for sick care. Right. And that’s you. You’re touch on a point where for patients, if you really want to optimize your health to some degree, you’re gonna have to be willing to, you know, pay out of pocket to some degree for sure. You get to have access to more options, right? Absolutely. I agree, I agree. You know, I want to go back to the vaccine thing because it is a controversial topic.

And when you said that 1 in 22,000 people

vaccinated died and two in the 22,000 of the unvaccinated, whereas we were led to think it was going to be like three out of 100 wouldn’t make it. You know, we were trying to get our affairs in order because we didn’t know who was next. My favorite source and deciding whether or not a vaccine is important is the Merck Manual.

And as an example, you might look up polio and you might find that, you know, 1% of the people are going to have a challenge, 99%. It’s going to be just like they had a common cold. And out of that 1% of the people that actually had the challenge, you know, some of them might have lifelong issues and some of them might die, but most people are going to recover.

And even if it was 1% dying, you would still say, okay, so all I have to do is be in the top 99%. And I have some say in that when it comes to my health, I can choose to, like you said, eat well. You are what you eat and and have a lifestyle conducive to health. When you look at things like that, for me, I haven’t found anything that I feel I need to be vaccinated against.

If I was going to a third world country and I’m going to be exposed to a whole new set of diseases with limited health care, I might, you know, based on the numbers, have a different answer.

Do you see, I can’t even ask you this. I think without you, potentially risking your license. Do you see any vaccines as being critical or essential for life?

Not across the board for certain populations, for sure. Like you mentioned, like the third world countries. So what happens is.

We’re vaccinated against a lot of things that if you were to get the disease and have a bad outcome those are

exceedingly rare events. So one point I’m trying to make in the book is you have to have understanding of your own risk tolerance.

So you might have a high risk tolerance, you might have a low risk tolerance if your risk tolerance is low. If you’re the person who buys every extended warranty, you know you’ll probably want to get vaccinated. If there’s 1 in 100 chance or 100,000 chance, it’s going to protect you. But most people

not in that category. Most people are going to do fine, if they get a particular infection.

So, for instance, measles, there’s about 1500 cases of measles as of September in this country. In a normal year it’s about 500. So it’s clearly cases out there is an outbreak, but 1500 cases are 347 million people. You know, it’s fairly insignificant. I think most of us

would say, and of those 1500, very few, if any of them any will die.

So and that’s part of what I’m saying. Patients need to get all that information to make the best decision for themselves. And if they don’t get it from the doctor, they’re going to have to research. I said in the book,

you know, do your own research.

all that information is out there in the public domain.

You just got to look for it. But there’s this thing called standard of care, right? And

you know, someone like you, that standard of care might affect differently than other doctors. But speaking for, you know, most doctors I guess, not necessarily yourself. How does standard of care affect what you say to the patient? Affects it greatly for sure, because as long as you follow the standard care, even the standard of care is wrong, as long as you follow it, you’re somewhat protected.

If you don’t follow it and you’re wrong, then

you’re opening yourself up for some liability for sure. But I think part of that can be mitigated if you have a really good relationship with the patient and your partner with them, and you advise them maybe not to get a vaccine or not to take a medication, and

they get a bad outcome, you know, they’re less likely to come after you than if you had this antagonistic relationship.

So part of it is just,

being a partner with your patient and working towards a common goal. And at the end of the day is their decision, you’re there to help counsel them and give them the information they need. Yeah. So I don’t know. I don’t talk people out of medications. I don’t talk them out of vaccines.

But it’s you know, I try to give them the pros and cons on either side, let them make the decision for themselves. And there’s plenty of doctors where if you don’t follow their recommendations, you’re not welcome in this practice. And our recommendation is, why wouldn’t you get vaccinated? You have to get vaccinated. That’s happening more and more. And I think a lot of that’s happening more and more as more and more physicians become employed.

Employed as opposed to having their own private practice. Right? Right. Right, right. Because I’m your employer and you do what I say, right? So employed physicians. Yeah. Employed physicians are caught between being loyal to their employer, number one, and what the employer wants, and then also being loyal and keeping the best interests of the patient in mind.

Yeah. Yeah. So we used to see this a lot in sports medicine. You know, many professional athletes, they go outside their team doctor to get care. You know, if they want a true second opinion, they don’t stick with their own doctor. They go outside,

their team doctor to get a second opinion or to have surgery.

Well, one thing I like to ask people, my guests is what are some of the power words that were spoken into your life, maybe at a real early age that kind of affected who you are to this day and maybe shaped your the strength you have to even oppose people or pay your own way. Trust your own instincts.

I’ve had a lot of good mentors and teachers, but I would say

there never was one that I just

totally

Blindly followed what they say. I think I have to question things. Probably

one of the more important things you can do through life is to maintain your curiosity.

if you’re curious, you’re going to ask questions.

And if you ask questions, you’re going to search for the answers. And when you find the answers, you’re going to raise a whole bunch of other questions. So you’re in the upward spiral of seeking the truth. So I think it’s important to seek the truth. I think it’s important to maintain freedom,

We were very willingly, to give up freedom during the peak of Covid.

And, if you’re not free, you’re not a person. Really. You know, you’re just a puppet. I would say trust your instincts.

You don’t have time to research everything but the things that are important to life. You should really do your own research and come to your own conclusions on things. And sometimes you’ll be wrong. Sometimes you’re right.

But

Don’t allow someone else to make decisions for you. Yeah, yeah. Be your own person. Yeah. Think for yourself I agree, I completely agree. Is there anything you wish I had asked? You know, I guess a lot of good questions. I’m Pleased. We got into the book as much as we did.

So people can get it. At Amazon and, Barnes and Noble and I also have a website, jackomd180.com which has about 1100 articles on healthy living and,

achieving optimal health.

Yeah. I’m going to encourage everyone to look up that book. And there is a, you know, on Amazon, a nice free intro, and it kind of skips around the book. The book’s big. It’s, you know, over a thousand pages. It’s a big book. Yeah. It 500 something, but. Oh, okay. Well, okay, maybe the reader I had brought into, yeah, probably depending on the page size or something.

Yeah, if it was a thousand. I wouldn’t read it. Okay. Yeah. But there was a really interesting area that it was called the top 40. Not so Wacko Jacko. Rules of medicine. Right. And if nothing else, go check that out. And it gives you a nice flavor for the rest of the book. Right. I think I you read those 40 rules, you’ll have a good understanding what the book is about without necessarily, you know, reading the book.

But if you want more detail, there’s certainly a lot more detail in the book. Yeah. Absolutely awesome. Well-written, clear. It makes sense. And the whole time I was reading everything, I would read, I think, my goodness, Dr. Joe Jacko’s got some balls. Big balls. All right, we’ll call you the big balls of medicine. We had the big balls of, financial reform.

Big balls of medicine, Dr. Joe Jacko. All right, well, let’s see if it gets me in trouble eventually. Who knows? But, yeah, yeah, I thought about this often because I still have my license, and it would almost be better if I didn’t. Well, that’s the way I look at it. If I lose my license, they can’t hurt me anymore.

Right now, I’m truly free to say absolutely whatever I want, and it doesn’t mean I can’t still have my clinic. I just can’t see the patients. Right? I could see them. I just

recommendation just has to come from that guy there. Yeah. And a lot of what I do is. Yeah, I don’t need a license talking about exercise and nutrition.

Yeah. So there you go. That’s right. So. Well, God bless you. I’ve really enjoyed having you on the show. People check it out. Dr Joe Jacko, click on the links, check out his book, read the excerpt and if you like it, get the book. He doesn’t charge enough for it. I’ll say it again. Okay. Thank you so much that.

Thank you, Dr Haley. I appreciate it.

Take care.

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