It’s Not What You Eat—It’s What You Absorb: Dr. Ryan Jones on Monolaurin & Gut Health

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What if eating nutritious food isn’t enough because the bigger question is whether your body can actually digest, absorb, and utilize what you’re eating?

In Episode 150 of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Michael Haley sits down with Dr. Ryan Jones, a Doctor of Oriental and Complementary Medicine whose career has crossed traditional healing systems, nutritional medicine, supplement formulation, manufacturing, and research and development.

The conversation begins with monolaurin—a monoglyceride derived from lauric acid—and Lauricidin®, the pellet-form monolaurin product with which Dr. Jones works. But it quickly becomes a much broader discussion about the microbiome, digestion, food sensitivities, probiotics, fermented foods, immune health, supplement quality, and why neither Dr. Jones nor Dr. Haley believes there is a single magic bullet for getting healthy.

Resources from Dr. Ryan Jones

Want to learn more about Dr. Jones and the subjects discussed in this episode? These resources will take you directly to his work and to additional information about monolaurin.

It’s Not What You Eat—It’s What You Absorb

One statement from Dr. Jones became a theme for the entire conversation:

“It’s not what you eat. It’s what you absorb.”

Eating well is important, but Dr. Jones argues that digestion and assimilation determine how much value the body ultimately receives from those foods and nutrients. That led Dr. Haley and Dr. Jones into a larger discussion about digestive enzymes, aging, microbial balance, food sensitivities, and what happens when the digestive system isn’t functioning optimally.

For Dr. Jones, this principle also influences the way he formulates dietary supplements. Potency on a label means little if the ingredient isn’t present in a useful amount or can’t be effectively delivered and utilized.

What Is Monolaurin?

Monolaurin, also known as glycerol monolaurate, is a monoglyceride of lauric acid. Lauric acid is one of the fatty acids naturally found in coconut oil.

During the interview, Dr. Jones walks through the difference between coconut oil, MCT oils containing primarily caprylic and capric fatty acids, lauric acid, and concentrated monolaurin. This distinction matters because people sometimes assume that taking coconut oil and taking a concentrated monolaurin product are interchangeable.

Dr. Jones explains why Lauricidin is manufactured as small pellets rather than conventional capsules. The pellet format makes it possible to begin with a very small amount and gradually adjust the quantity.

Why “Start Low and Go Slow”?

A recurring part of the conversation is Dr. Jones’ recommendation to begin with a small amount of monolaurin and increase gradually.

He attributes some symptoms experienced after beginning antimicrobial strategies to what is commonly called a Herxheimer or “die-off” reaction. He describes symptoms such as headache, fatigue, nausea, or body aches and recommends reducing or stopping the product temporarily when someone feels poorly and then resuming more slowly.

This is also an area where terminology matters. Feeling worse after taking a supplement does not by itself prove that microorganisms are dying. Symptoms can have many explanations, which is one reason working with an appropriately qualified healthcare professional can be important—particularly for people with significant or persistent health problems.

The Microbiome: Killing Isn’t the Whole Strategy

One of the more important themes in this episode is that gut health cannot simply be reduced to “killing bad bacteria.”

Dr. Jones discusses dysbiosis—the disruption of the microbial community in the digestive tract—and his view that reducing unwanted organisms must be paired with creating an environment in which beneficial organisms can thrive.

That prompted Dr. Haley to ask an important follow-up: if you’re trying to change the microbial environment, what are you doing to replace or support beneficial organisms?

The conversation then turns to probiotics and fermented foods. Dr. Jones discusses strains he considers more shelf-stable and describes making his own sauerkraut and kefir at home. His homemade sauerkraut is fermented for only several days before refrigeration because he prefers it crunchy and less sour.

Dr. Haley and Dr. Jones also discuss dairy-based yogurt, kefir, coconut-based alternatives, and the reality that different people tolerate different foods.

What Causes “Leaky Gut”?

Later in the episode, Dr. Haley asks Dr. Jones what he believes can contribute to increased intestinal permeability—commonly referred to as leaky gut.

Dr. Jones describes a multifactorial picture involving diet, stress, alterations in intestinal microbes, previous antibiotic exposure, food sensitivities, digestive function, and other environmental burdens.

His larger point is consistent throughout the conversation: when someone has struggled for years, there may be several factors occurring at once. Addressing only one variable may therefore fail to address the larger picture.

There Is No Magic Bullet

This may be the most important message of the entire episode.

Although Dr. Jones works closely with Lauricidin, he repeatedly resists presenting it as the answer to every health problem. Instead, he emphasizes nutrition, digestion, movement, emotional health, food sensitivities, and other lifestyle factors.

Dr. Haley makes the same point from another direction: taking a natural product while continuing all of the habits that contributed to poor health can become another version of the same “take something for the symptom” mindset.

Health isn’t only about asking:

  • What can I take?

It may also require asking:

  • What should I start doing?
  • What should I stop doing?
  • Am I eating food that supports my health?
  • Am I sleeping well?
  • Am I moving my body appropriately?
  • Am I managing stress?
  • Am I digesting and absorbing what I consume?

Food Sensitivities and the Whole-Person Approach

Dr. Jones also discusses food sensitivities and his experience using a technique known as NAET—Nambudripad’s Allergy Elimination Technique.

He describes seeing people whose symptoms appeared to correspond with reactions to commonly consumed foods and explains why he believes repeated exposure to poorly tolerated foods can add to a person’s overall physiological burden.

This part of the discussion reinforces the recurring theme of the interview: two people can consume the same food or supplement and experience very different results.

What Dr. Jones Learned Inside the Supplement Industry

One of the most interesting parts of the interview comes near the end, when Dr. Haley asks Dr. Jones what his years in dietary supplement and cosmetic manufacturing have taught him about the industry.

His first concern is potency.

Dr. Jones contrasts traditional herbal preparations using substantial amounts of plant material with some modern supplements that place much smaller quantities into a few capsules.

He also introduces what he calls the “pixie dust effect”: including tiny amounts of desirable-sounding botanicals or ingredients so they can appear on a label even when their concentration may be too low to meaningfully define the product.

In cosmetics, he encourages consumers to think about what color, aroma, and texture can reveal about processing and formulation. Dr. Haley relates this directly to his own experience manufacturing minimally processed aloe vera products.

Topical Uses, Oral Health, Deodorant and More

Because monolaurin can also be incorporated into topical formulations, the conversation goes well beyond supplements.

Dr. Jones discusses Lauricidin-containing ointments, toothpaste, lotions, hand products, and deodorant. He explains some of the formulation decisions behind the products, including the use of sunflower-derived oils in several cosmetic formulations and the reasons different preservative systems may be necessary for different kinds of products.

The discussion also includes stronger claims concerning microorganisms, wounds, viral conditions, and topical applications. Those statements in the episode represent Dr. Jones’ views and should not be interpreted as a recommendation to substitute a supplement or topical product for appropriate medical diagnosis or treatment.

A Note on the Evidence for Monolaurin

Monolaurin and glycerol monolaurate have been studied extensively in laboratory research for antimicrobial activity. However, laboratory activity is not the same thing as proving that an orally consumed supplement prevents or treats a disease in humans.

A peer-reviewed review published in 2020 examined the clinical literature on monolaurin and reported that, although there was substantial in-vitro antimicrobial research, the authors found very limited human in-vivo evidence and did not identify peer-reviewed evidence supporting oral monolaurin as a human antimicrobial dietary supplement at that time.

That doesn’t mean laboratory findings are unimportant. It means they should be interpreted according to the type of evidence available. Mechanistic research, animal studies, clinical observation, and randomized human trials answer different questions and provide different levels of certainty.

For readers who want to examine that distinction themselves, the review is included in the Resources section above.

Key Takeaways from This Episode

  • Eating nutritious food is only part of the equation. Digestion, absorption, and utilization matter too.
  • Monolaurin is not the same thing as ordinary coconut oil. It is a concentrated monoglyceride derived from lauric acid.
  • Gut health involves an ecosystem. Changing unwanted organisms is only one piece of supporting a healthy microbiome.
  • Fermented foods may be one useful way to introduce microbes through food. Dr. Jones makes his own sauerkraut and kefir.
  • There is rarely a single intervention for a complicated health problem. Food, movement, sleep, stress, digestion, and other factors can all matter.
  • Supplement potency matters. A long ingredient list does not necessarily mean meaningful quantities of every ingredient.
  • Strong health claims deserve evidence. Laboratory results, clinical experience, and controlled human research should not be treated as interchangeable.

Episode 150 Timestamps

  • 0:00 — You Can’t Drug the Body Back to Health
  • 0:48 — Meet Dr. Ryan Jones
  • 3:39 — What Is Lauricidin and Monolaurin?
  • 6:36 — Monolaurin, Lauric Acid & Breast Milk
  • 8:43 — Coconut Oil vs. Concentrated Monolaurin
  • 10:48 — Why Lauricidin Uses Pellets
  • 13:18 — Eastern Medicine Meets Modern Formulation
  • 15:22 — Caprylic, Capric & Lauric Acid Explained
  • 19:50 — It’s Not What You Eat—It’s What You Absorb
  • 21:48 — Monolaurin and the Gut Microbiome
  • 24:08 — What Research Would Dr. Jones Fund?
  • 27:35 — Why One Intervention May Not Be Enough
  • 31:14 — Colloidal Silver & Topical Approaches
  • 32:27 — Wounds, Scarring & Secondary Infection
  • 35:44 — Herpes, Shingles & Viral Load Discussion
  • 38:28 — Monolaurin, COVID & Immune Health
  • 40:26 — Food Sensitivities and NAET
  • 42:06 — Why There Is No Health “Magic Bullet”
  • 44:20 — Which Microorganisms Are Most Susceptible?
  • 48:23 — What Causes “Leaky Gut”?
  • 50:46 — Dr. Jones’ Gut Health Approach
  • 54:19 — Probiotics, Kefir & Homemade Sauerkraut
  • 58:15 — Oral Health, Toothpaste & Lauricidin Products
  • 1:02:57 — Natural Deodorant & the Skin Microbiome
  • 1:05:00 — What the Supplement Industry Gets Wrong
  • 1:06:33 — Low Potency & the “Pixie Dust” Problem
  • 1:09:47 — How Dr. Jones Uses Lauricidin Personally
  • 1:11:23 — Final Thoughts

About Dr. Ryan Jones

Dr. Ryan Jones is a Doctor of Oriental and Complementary Medicine with more than 30 years of clinical and formulation experience. His background includes acupuncture, Ayurveda, Chinese medicine, herbal medicine, nutritional formulation, research and development, and supplement and cosmetic manufacturing.

Dr. Jones studied in Sri Lanka during the 1990s and later moved extensively into nutritional product development. He currently works with Lauricidin®, writes educational material as Dr. Wellness, and develops clinical protocols for the Lauricidin professional network.

Learn more at Dr. Ryan Jones’ official Lauricidin page.

About Dr. Michael Haley

Dr. Michael Haley is a chiropractor, health educator, entrepreneur, and host of The Dr. Haley Show. Through long-form conversations with clinicians, researchers, authors, entrepreneurs, and other health radicals, Dr. Haley explores conventional and unconventional ideas about nutrition, lifestyle, the microbiome, natural health, and human performance.

Explore more episodes at DrHaley.com.

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Transcript

You can’t drug the body back to health and to think you can make one change and not feed the person correctly. Have them exercise properly, have some type of emotional trauma treatment along with it. Good luck. You’re never going to get better.

You are listening to the Dr. Haley Show, the podcast dedicated to helping you optimize your health. Each episode there will be an interview or a message to help you discover better health. We will be featuring health radicals on the show to bring new ideas to the table, as well as doubling down on key fundamentals to support you living your best life. Your host is none other than the founder of Haley Nutrition Dr. Michael Haley. This is the Dr. Haley Show podcast. I’m Dr. Michael Haley, your show host, and today my guest is Dr. Ryan Jones. He’s a doctor of oriental and complementary medicine whose career has brought together traditional healing systems, nutritional medicine, product formulation, and modern supplement manufacturing.

Dr. Jones began his formal studies in the 1990s in Sri Lanka, where his training included acupuncture, Ayurveda, Chinese medicine, homeopathy, herbal medicine and complementary medicine. He later became deeply involved in nutritional formulation and research and development, including work with vitamins and minerals, emulsions, topical products, and advanced delivery systems. Today, he’s closely involved with Lauricidin and the use of monolaurin, a compound derived from lauric acid, particularly as it relates to the microbiome, digestive health, and immune function. We’re gonna go into what monolaurin actually is, what we know about it, how it interacts with microbes. Why Dr. Jones believes gut health is foundational to overall health. And perhaps most importantly, where the science ends and clinical experience begins. Dr. Ryan Jones, thank you for joining me on the Dr. Haley Show podcast.

You know, I believe we have met somewhere before, but I don’t quite know where that is from. I certainly recognize you. How long you been back in the States from being overseas in your studies?

Well, I’ve been in the States for about 20 years now, and so we’ve probably met at conferences. We did a lot of work with the Chiropractic Board of Nutrition in Florida. So maybe you met me there.

I think so, because, you know, we have to go get our continuing education hours. And there’s big conferences. And I always like to go to the biggest ones where everyone gets together and you walk the show floor and visit the vendors and, and, you know, that’s where a lot of the learning happens.

Yeah, I love the trade shows. They’re great.

And I remember years ago and, you know, quite honestly, it was my business partner that brought in one of probably your products. But before you were with the brand and we used to have it on our shelf, and I never took the time to learn about it, but it was, you know, you opened up this little blue bottle and there were like, capsules in it that were kind of squishy. Yeah, that’s exactly what they look like. So I know it’s the same brand. What’s in there?

We’ve been around for a long time. You know, Dr. Kabara originally discovered monolaurin, and this is the brand you’re talking about, Lauricidin, and it’s full of the purest monolaurin on the market. And it’s full of these little tiny pellets. And so our product comes as a beadlet. And so if the camera can see these little beadlets, they’re very easy to swallow. Elderly, sick people, children can easily swallow. And then you can titrate your dose. Because what we’re going to talk about today is the antimicrobial and antiviral compounds. That monolaurin can affect the membrane and destroy some of these microbes. And so, when you’re first starting to take it, you can get a Herxheimer reaction, a die-off. And so that’s what’s great about the pellets, is that you can titrate them up. It’s very hard to do with a capsule. And so we’re the original product on the market with the pellet.

So a lot of people know us by our brand on the pellets.

So yeah. Well I don’t know how many products you had back, you know, 10 or 12 years ago when we were carrying that. Yeah. But I went to—that’s what I thought.

Two, technically: our ointment, our topical treatment, and then our internal pellets. We’ve now morphed into a few other products. Topical lotions, deodorant, toothpaste. We have MRSA treatment ointments. Also hand sanitizers. So the product has antimicrobial effects not only internally but also externally. So it’s a really amazing compound.

Well, that’s what kind of impressed me actually just visiting the website yesterday and looking at all the products. It was almost educational in understanding what it’s all about. When I saw that, I thought, well, if it’s good for this, then there’s probably other products that can be made. And as I’m scrolling left or right on this carousel-type thing on the website, it’s like, that makes sense. You know, I mean, why wouldn’t this potentially be beneficial in deodorant or toothpaste or, you know, lotions of some kind? Antibacterial this, antibacterial that, but in a natural, healthy way? Yes. Yeah. And for those listening right now, Dr. Jones is actually showing some of the products across the screen. And so a good visual, you’re just going to have to go visit the website. Help me get the terms down because you have your brand name of it.

And what are the terms that we need to know and understand in this?

Sure. So the compound is called glycerol monolaurate or monolaurin. And so this is the C12 fraction that comes from coconut oil, and normal triglycerides, these fats that are called MCT fats, have three ester bonds, and so they’re called triglycerides. And so it’s one glycerol with three fatty acids attached, not three glycerides attached, like it sounds. And so fats when you normally eat them they come as a three carbon chain. Monolaurin is a single carbon chain, one glycerol molecule and one lauric acid molecule bound together. Now monolaurin was originally discovered in human breast milk. So Dr. Kabara, the owner of the company, he discovered monolaurin in the late 60s and he wondered why breast milk was somewhat sterile.

He was the lipid chemist for 3M—you know that big chemical company, 3M—and so he discovered that inside breast milk, these triglycerides were broken down into monoglycerides. And when they researched it, they found that those monoglycerides could attach to the lipid layer of certain bacteria and viruses and penetrate the membrane and disable those. And so this is how the antimicrobial antiviral effects that you may have heard from eating coconut oil come about. Because what they’ve discovered, Dr. Haley, is that you and me, right now, when we eat MCTs that have C12 lauric acid, now some coconut oil is refined to a clear oil that will stay liquid at room temperature. That’s typically carbon 8 and carbon 10 capric and caprylic acids. Lauric acid is from real coconut. Well, you know, coconut oil that hasn’t been purified. And so it goes solid at room temperature.

This is how you know there’s lauric acid in it. When you and I eat that today, Dr. Haley, we will make our own monolaurin at a 3% conversion rate. However, when a woman gets pregnant, that 3% goes to 10% conversion rate and gets stored in the breast milk. Now, I’m sure, as you know, a baby doesn’t have an immune system. It has a developing immune system. And what we found is that this molecule is in the baby’s food, and it will kill bacteria and viruses and help the immune system develop. And so it’s very, very amazing. And that this compound is a bioidentical compound found in our bodies. And you and I manufacture it when we eat the building blocks. Now, when it comes to coconut oil, after about two tablespoons you’re probably going to go to the bathroom pretty easily. So you can never really get a full scoop of Lauricidin from ingesting coconut oil.

However, you do get a small amount of that compound, and a healthy person ingesting it on a regular basis is keeping that substance in their bloodstream constantly. Now, the thing with monolaurin and Lauricidin, the brand that you were talking about, and Dr. Kabara is on the back of the bottle, a picture of Dr. Kabara, the man who discovered it. And I worked for the Kabara family. And so the product has still stayed within the family for 50 years and everything’s vertically integrated. We still manufacture it the same way. And so the compound hasn’t changed in all these years, and everyone knows us by this canister of pellets. And so because you can get this die-off effect, that’s why it’s in a pellet form. So you can titrate up. No one starts with a full scoop. You always start with 5 or 10 pellets. You take it once or twice a day for about a week, and then you slowly ramp up. And so.

To avoid the Herx reactions, correct?

Correct. Because the product really does go and attach to those lipid-coated viruses and bacteria. Now, not all viruses are lipid-coated. However, a majority of the viruses that affect us are lipid-coated. And so Lauricidin or monolaurin has a really great affinity to attach to those. And so as long as it’s in your bloodstream, it can go and attach to it. It doesn’t upregulate your immune system. Or tell your T lymphocytes to go here or there. It literally works on a touch-and-kill technology. And this is how it works in the ointment form. That’s why it works, is because it works on a molecular contact. And so because monolaurin is highly purified, it is metabolized in about 6 to 8 hours in our body. And so this is the reason for taking it 2 to 3 times a day for these stubborn infections, for these, you know, low-lying co-infections that people have.

You want to make sure that you maintain a constant blood level. So it has the ability to attach, you know, some of these lipid-coated viruses such as herpes, CMV, EBV, they’re not always in circulation. And so in order to have a chance to affect those, you want to maintain a constant dose. And what I like about the product so much is that because our bodies do manufacture it, it’s a bioidentical compound. It’s not some weird herb or something that your body doesn’t recognize. So it’s much different than your traditional herbal approach to antimicrobial.

You know, I’m wondering, when you were halfway around the world in Sri Lanka, did you, you know, ever see yourself so focused on the benefits of lauric acid? Yeah, you studied all these different things, homeopathy and herbal medicine and Ayurveda and acupuncture. Or does this somehow tie in with all that?

Oh, it absolutely does. You know, complicated cases typically have 3 to 4 different issues going on. Not only can you have low-lying viral infections, but you can have dysbiosis. You can have fungal infections. And then you can also have organ imbalance. And so acupuncture comes into the effect of helping the organs, working with homeopathy and lauric acid and other herbal medicine helps work on these infections. So it all ties together. In all my years and all the things that I’ve studied, I haven’t really found a silver bullet. And it really is this combination of therapies that really give us this long-lasting healing effect.

Yeah, yeah. You know, a couple of the things that you mentioned, caprylic/capric triglyceride, I think you said that earlier. Now that happens to be one of the ingredients in our topical aloe. We actually years ago, I inherited a brand that I’m uncomfortable even saying because it was wonderful that it was 70% aloe vera, but it was essentially emulsified in petroleum jelly, and it had all kinds of parabens and, you know, triethanolamine and all these chemicals. And to get away from that, we knew, well, coconut oil would be a much better moisturizer. So now the moisture is coming from caprylic/capric triglyceride, Cocos nucifera ingredients. How do those differ from lauric acids? So I could really understand. Yeah.

Yeah. Well really you want to look at it from a monolaurin or a monoglyceride form. So your capric/caprylic triglycerides are in that standard oil that you would get from any type of, you know, nut extraction.

Right. Okay. And then.

I’m getting it already because you were saying that. So if I ingested that.

Yes, sir.

You’re saying that’s what some of it will get broken down into, the monolauric acid.

So no.

So no.

Coconut oil has three main fatty acids. It really has about six, but they’re in lower quantities. Coconut oil and palm oil is about 50% lauric acid. And then the other percentages are capric and caprylic acids. So when you refine coconut oil and remove the lauric acid you will have capric/caprylic triglycerides left.

Oh, so you’re saying that they took all the good stuff out, gave it to you and gave us what was left over?

Well.

See, why are these pellets? Because it’s solid at room temperature, and the caprylic triglyceride is oil, liquid at room temperature. And it’s used all the time in lotion manufacturing. So it’s, you know, very, very common. However, it’s not the same. And that’s why I said, if you want the benefits of making your own monolaurin each day, you want to eat unrefined coconut oil that contains the lauric triglyceride compound, that then your body will break down into the lauric monoglyceride compound. And so that’s what’s so amazing about this compound, is that our bodies use it and know how to use it on a regular basis. It’s just that Lauricidin is a super concentrated form of it, and you can get antimicrobial effects just with just a few pellets. You know, this is considered one of the number one treatments for Lyme disease.

And so with high viral loads with Lyme, some people can get Herx off of just 2 or 3 pellets. So that’s why it’s very important to start slow.

I understand.

Titrate up. And so that’s very hard to do with a capsule. A capsule for a very sick person could be too much.

Might you change your recommendations if someone was consuming coconut oil daily?

Like I said, you’re only going to get 3% of the amount of fat that you ingest. So let’s say you ingest, you know, ten grams, right? Well that would be 300 mg of that. And so that’s over a long, long period of time that it gets digested like throughout the whole day versus a few pellets. You’re going to get it, you know, right away.

So yeah.

What I’m wondering though is someone that’s consuming coconut oil daily. Do you think they’re going to have the Herx reaction if they’re going from daily coconut oil to the pellets?

So a Herx reaction is really an amount of microbes that your body cannot assimilate that day. And you get the symptom of nausea, headache, fatigue. So depending on your viral loads, you may not get Herxheimer reaction because you didn’t kill off so much in that day. Does that make sense? Yes. And so someone who’s ingesting coconut oil daily may have a healthy lifestyle, and they may not be that so-called sick or full of Candida or fungus or viruses. And so their Herxheimer reaction could be much lower. Now if they took 2 or 3 scoops right off the bat, well, they could easily get a Herxheimer. So just depends. What we suggest people do is just start slow and slowly titrate up that way. It’s no fun to have a Herxheimer, so we just like to take it slow. And then if you do get one, you stop taking the product so the symptoms can go away and then you can start back with a lower dose.

Okay.

You know, I suspect that the question I’m going to ask here ties in with exactly what we’re talking about. And you have a phrase on the website that essentially says health isn’t determined simply by what you consume, but by what you can absorb and utilize. What do you mean by that?

Well, as you mentioned in some of my background, I do contract manufacturing for dietary supplements. And so I’ve been a product developer and formulator of nutritional products for many years. And so digesting and assimilating nutrients, you know, we only get maybe 10% to 20% absorption from the nutrients, the, you know, vitamins that we ingest. And so what it really is, it’s not what you eat. It’s what you absorb. And so this is why having good gut health, good digestion, you know, if you’re eating the standard American diet or just our, you know, modern diet, digestive enzymes would be highly recommended to have a good digestion and assimilation of your proteins. And so the aging human, our digestive system gets weaker over time. And through a weak digestion we have less absorption of nutrients, which then bring down our body’s defenses and can allow us to get sick.

And so by enhancing our absorption and digestion of nutrients, then we get, you know, all the goodness out of our food that we want. And so a lot of people are plagued with SIBO, with Candida infections, with other types of co-infections. And so the great thing with monolaurin, it only attacks bacteria and viruses that have a lipid coating. And so our good bacteria actually are coated in a polysaccharide coating. And so the Lauricidin nor the monolaurin doesn’t harm your good bacteria. And so the dysbiosis or the balance of bad bacteria, the good bacteria in our intestines. The modern human is getting a worse dysbiosis level. And so by taking the monolaurin, you can eradicate some of these bad bacteria and enhance your good microbes to bad microbes and thus enhancing your digestion and assimilation of nutrients.

You know, what you’re saying right now is essentially that this could completely change the balance of flora in someone. Now, if I was to consider some of the conditions, health challenges that we might contribute to an unbalanced gut flora, I mean, we might even be looking at things like potentially, potentially autism, you know, ADHD, all kinds of potential psychological issues.

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If you had an unlimited budget and wanted to fund scientific research. What group do you think would potentially benefit the most from that? You would want to focus those dollars in testing on?

Well, in regards to monolaurin and its effects, you know, autoimmune disorders are seeing, of course, a large rise and they’re very hard to treat with our so-called modern approaches. And so we’ve seen great benefit from using monolaurin and also other natural techniques. And so this is why you want to work with a functional medicine practitioner or someone that uses multiple modalities, because it’s not just about killing off the bad bacteria. It’s also about enhancing your digestive juices, also your elimination pathways. And so typically a very sick person, like I mentioned, has multiple conditions going on, what we call multiple fires. And so this is why. The root cause typically are these hidden infections and food sensitivities. I can’t tell you how much.

When I was in practice, the amount of food, you know, so-called allergies that people suffered from and that created their daily headaches, their skin conditions. There are other dysbiosis from the egg, the dairy, the wheat, the nightshades that people ingest. You know, where do people start to get healthy? It is their digestive system. It is their gut.

You know, I don’t, I don’t know if you would ever make it as a scientist. Now hear me out. You have too many ethics in you. Because if we were to study a group and say, you know, we’re only going to make this one change, we’re only, you know, we’re going to, we’re going to put you on a couple pellets and increase them up to this amount. And the study is going to be for X number of days. And I agree completely with you. You know, fixing the gut isn’t a magic bullet. And someone with an issue of SIBO overgrowth. We want to beat down the bad bacteria but nourish the good bacteria. So we might want to give them fiber and with fiber, plenty of water, and maybe some other healthy fats to act as a lubricant. We might want to give them, you know, chiropractic to decompress their spine and, and make their nervous system work more like it’s supposed to.

And we can give them acupuncture and we can show them what foods to eat and talk about probiotics and digestive enzymes and teach them to chew their food. And you really want to take this whole approach. It’s a lifestyle change getting well. But sometimes in science, you got to push that aside and say, we’re only going to make one change. And we’ve got this group.

Well, I think that’s where modern science has steered us wrong, is because the human body is a multifaceted organism that is affected.

So you’re not offended, though, that I said you’d be a terrible scientist?

Well, I wouldn’t really. Like, I didn’t go into medical school because of the drug treatment approach. You can’t drug the body back to health and to think you can make one change and not feed the person correctly. Have them exercise properly, have some type of emotional trauma treatment along with it. Good luck. You’re never going to get better. And this is the classic Western medicine model of treating the symptom. And this scientific model of looking at one angle may work in a petri dish, but it doesn’t work in humans. And so why did I study homeopathy and acupuncture and Ayurveda? Because my school knew. The master knew that acupuncture doesn’t. Just that alone doesn’t fix the modern human. You need these other modalities. And so when I was in practice, we didn’t just do needles, we did 3 or 4 other modalities in order to help Mrs. Jones get better and enhance her health. And.

Yes, sir, you’re 100% right. You know, it is this holistic approach and really is the patient taking on the responsibility of their own health on what to do to get better. And this is where Lauricidin can be one of those great things that people can take, because infections can bring down a healthy person. They can be totally normal, get an infection and ruin their life. And the great thing about monolaurin, is it is a body-safe antimicrobial that when taken slowly and slowly titrated up, has, you know, very, very few side effects, a lot of great benefits. And our website, we have over 6000 alternative health practitioners on our website on lauricidin.com and you can go to the map and find a practitioner near you. And so you can simply type in your zip code. You can find someone who sells and even teaches and helps people with Lauricidin in your area. And so that’s a great resource.

So lauricidin.com, find a practitioner in your area. And really today.

That’ll be locations where you can actually go purchase it possibly.

Absolutely. Now you can buy it directly online through the company. However, self treatment is one part of complicated cases. However, you do want to work with a practitioner who can. You know, sometimes you can’t be your own doctor. You can do typically about 80% of what your doctor does, if he would just show you how to do it. But with these complicated cases, it’s always good to have some help, but really it is up to the patient to eat correctly, to exercise correctly, to do these things that really bring about long-lasting reversal and so-called cure for imbalances. It really is up to you. And so that’s why I partnered with Lauricidin and Med-Chem, is because they have the best product. It really works at a root cause when it comes to infections. You know, colloidal silver is great for some things, but not all the time. And really.

I keep it in my cabinet just in case.

I like it topically. I like it for the nose, for the eyes in a spray, but potentially drinking, you know, tablespoons of, maybe here and there, but definitely not regularly. Well,

And I’m wondering because, is silver as selective towards killing bad bacteria?

Well, silver’s half-life in the body is, is over really quick. As soon as these ions touch something and release this cationic exchange, a lot of their killing power is done. And so that’s why I like it topically. So ingesting it, it trying to go through your digestive tract to get to your foot fungus. Good luck. Apply it topically. You may have better results. I would potentially do a combination of the monolaurin ointment and silver to give you a more well-rounded approach.

Yeah, you know, I had a customer, well, driving all the way from Sebring. Mike, he may be listening to this podcast and in his case, he actually dropped. He works with glass and he dropped glass and sliced his arm open. Got it stitched all back up. He sliced through an artery actually. So tourniquet and, you know, and stitches. And now he’s got an ugly scar there. And we talked about some. Well it’s only been, you know, a week. So it’s not fully healed either.

He would benefit so much from this. And if he puts.

Are you saying topically or are you saying topically or internally?

Sir, I had a major gash in my own personal thing right across my chest, actually through my areola of all places. And this ointment here healed it up. You can’t even see a scar. So the fact that it’s so fresh, what have we discovered? And, you know, it takes many years to do these studies and all these things, especially because scars and wounds take so long. And, you know, long-term scarring takes so long to truly test and evaluate. But what we’re noticing is, is if you can prevent the secondary infection that comes with these topical injuries, the scarring is super.

Low, which he has. And that’s why I brought it up because we talked about silver, applying silver to it. But I’m seeing potential in other.

Silver’s water-soluble and it will go away just in a minute. And so the ointment will put a protective coating on there that will last for hours. He can apply it 2 to 3 times a day. You can put it ten times a day on an open wound. It will not irritate it. Nothing like that. And the thing with secondary infections, Dr. Haley, I’m sure as you know, staph naturally lives on the outside of our skin. And so when you get a scratch and you see a redness on your skin, well, that’s a staph infection. Now, the staph infection you don’t want is MRSA, which stands for methicillin-resistant Staph aureus. So this is the drug-resistant superbug version of staph that is easily caught in all types of exercise situations at the gym, at the hospital. Oh my goodness. People are catching deadly MRSA infections at the hospital.

This ointment here will kill MRSA in 20 minutes or less, and you can put it on the place ten times a day. And another topical.

So if someone had a, like a MRSA type of almost like a pimple forming, correct, treat it externally.

Now if you have an ongoing infection, I would take it internally and externally. However, if you get to it quick enough, your open wound may not turn into that, you know. Of course you can catch it, so you can’t say it’s 100%, but it will kill it if it comes in contact with it. But sir, I guarantee you I would love to see some pictures before and after. It will heal up very fast. It will heal up with little to no scar. As long as he continues to put it on. This little jar is maybe $20. It’s a two-ounce jar. It will last you a long, long time. Now we use this also for herpes outbreaks. And so because herpes is a lipid-coated virus and this is, you know, Dr. Andrew Weil wrote about monolaurin in the late 90s about how it is really great for herpes simplex.

And so we have a protocol that if you get outbreaks, you can put the ointment on your lips, mouth or genitalia or wherever your outbreaks are, and take the product internally 2 to 3 times a day. And after 5 to 6 months, Dr. Haley, you’ll notice your outbreaks are little to none. And so once you build up to that where the outbreaks don’t happen anymore, then you can bring down your Lauricidin amount to some type of maintenance, and each person’s different. So it may be a half a scoop three times a day, a quarter scoop three times a day, and they’ll see little to no outbreaks. Because you can lower the viral load. And what is an outbreak? It’s when the immune system can’t fight off the virus and it shows its face. And this is like chicken pox. You know it.

Yeah. I was going to, I was going to ask you about shingles.

It eventually comes out as shingles. Why? Because the immune system gets worse. It can’t fight off the viruses. And the shingles show its face so you can put the ointment on. However, that’s more internal, that type. And versus the herpes and the pellets do great for that. Now typically if an old person has a shingles outbreak, okay. Pellets aren’t the only thing that’s going to help raise his immune system up. You follow me. So it’s in conjunction. So that person would need to get on a health kick, do all the things to help their body. Overall, that’s what helps the immune system get better. And then you take healthy antimicrobials. And so some of the, you know, oregano oils or berberine or these types of things can’t be taken long-term and kind of have some digestive issues with it. And so the great thing about the monolaurin is it’s coconut oil and glycerin.

And so your body knows it, sees it and it doesn’t hurt the good bacteria. And then over time, taking it after a couple of months, it does have an effect on the biofilms. And so it’s all part of a comprehensive gut rebalancing effect that happens.

I’m wondering because when COVID came around, I threw everything at it and it was the first thing. I mean, when I get, if I get a flu or the, you know, a cold or something like that, I might literally just load up on garlic and that alone is good enough. When COVID came around, I hit everything natural at it. Not your products, because I didn’t know about them. What did you do for COVID?

Well, of course we took pellets. You know, the SARS virus is a lipid-coated virus. You know that name that you mentioned is a trademarked name, COVID-19. So of course, our product doesn’t work on COVID-19. However, the SARS virus is a lipid-coated virus that can be affected by monolaurin. And so yes, people use it for what is called the long SARS issue. So it works quite well. However, if you have multiple issues going on in the body, don’t just look at one product. You know, as much as I’m here to talk about monolaurin and the greatness of it, I will also say your food sensitivities are dragging down your immune system as much as some of these infections are. And so when you eat wheat and dairy and tomatoes over and over every single day, your body builds up a resistance to it. And sadly, some people get leaky gut.

And now our bodies looked at those foods as, you know, antigens and looks at them as invaders and attacks them. And you get fatigue, so chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia. I’ve had the best results with food sensitivities. And I do a technique called NAET, N-A-E-T. And NAET is Nambudripad’s Allergy Elimination Technique. And it’s an amazing way to desensitize your body to certain foods. And so yes, we can desensitize you. Now we don’t say, hey, now go eat as many eggs as you possibly can. But now eggs don’t give you the sinus issues or the constipation or other challenges that eggs can have. And a lot of people, if they have an egg sensitivity, they also have a feather and a chicken sensitivity. And I’d like to share with some of the people listening. If you lay down at night and your nose gets stuffy, it easily can be the feathers in your pillow, or the mites or the dander in your pillow.

And this is a reaction that your body’s having, not that you are deficient in NyQuil, or you’re deficient in some type of antihistamine drug that you need to take. No, there’s a root cause that you’re ingesting something either orally or inhaling it that is giving you these symptoms. And so, you know, as you are a fan of chiropractic medicine and holistic medicine, you know, taking this well-rounded approach gives our patients the best outcome. And I’m sure everyone listening to the podcast understands that. And so yeah.

And I, you know, I can joke and say literally, you sound more like me than I do because you’re telling the same story only even more passionately. People will ask me about aloe vera, and it’s not a magic bullet. It’s a lifestyle change. It’s one of those things you include. And yes, there’s gut benefits and immune benefits. But if this is the only change you make, if Lauricidin is the only change you make. Oh, I got digestive issues I’m going to take. Well, you’re taking a medical approach. You’re taking one thing, trying to get a certain effect and that only, you know, has so much benefit. It’s actually potentially detrimental because you’re only dealing with a maybe a symptom. And then that symptom goes away and you continue on the same path that you were. There’s two sides of the equation. You know, it’s not what can I take?

Not one thing can I take, it’s what do I need to include in my life? What do I need to get out of my life? And we’re not just talking about food or topicals. It’s, you know, I need to get bad sleep habits out of my life. Replace them with good sleep habits. I need to get bad thoughts out of my mind. Replace them with good thoughts. I need to have good, nutritious food and get rid of the junk. I need to have good exercise habits and get rid of the bad exercise habits. A lot of people just go to the gym and they get all big and strong, and that’s great, but you have no flexibility. There’s more than just powerlifting, there’s more than just treadmilling. So like you, I always look at that full approach. But for the sake of the conversation, we’re going to still drill down a little bit more.

When it comes to Lauricidin, what organisms seem to be the most susceptible to it and which ones seem to be maybe resistant to it?

Well, it has a direct affinity to gram-positive bacteria, lipid-coated viruses. And so that’s its direct function. And so people use it for Candida. So as a generic term, those bacteria, fungus, are a little more difficult. Typically we’ll add in other herbals with that. However, what we’ve also seen is that when the body handles one infection, now the overall load that has been taken on by the body, now it has more energy to then fight other issues. And so it kind of is this terrain aspect and really this toxic load or biological load that one person carries around. You know, a lot of people hear about the microbiome, but there also is a virome that people walk around with, with herpes, with cytomegalovirus. You know, they say the CDC says that about half of U.S. adults over the age of 40 show positive for CMV antibodies.

Which is, what’s that?

Cytomegalovirus. Okay. And these never go away. And so that’s the challenge with viruses. And that’s what makes it so unique with monolaurin. It’s one of the few products that works on viruses. That’s what’s really unique. And why so many practitioners use it is because these complicated cases, typically someone’s walking around with what we call silent infections or co-infections. And so how many people have herpes? How many people are born with herpes simplex. Human papillomavirus, genital warts. None of these things go away and they all bog down your system over time. And so having something that isn’t toxic to your liver, that is an antiviral, is a really great choice to have in your repertoire of things to take. That’s why I like Lauricidin so much, is because it’s a natural compound. And monolaurin—our bodies know how to use it.

And it’s made from coconut oil or palm oil as lauric acid and single glycerol bond. And it makes it.

Very, very—you just said something that I never really thought of because you said not toxic to liver.

Yeah. Well the antifungals, my gosh. Those are horrible for you. And antivirals, right. For your liver.

Antibiotics kill off your good bacteria. Right. So this is why having a selective compound that can not just kill everything it comes in contact with is something safer to take long-term. And so that’s why a lot of people benefit from it and then can take it for long-term because of its mechanism, how it works, where it comes from.

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So you have a protocol for healing the gut. Before we talk about that, what goes wrong? What causes a leaky gut?

Well it’s something that typically happens over time unless someone gets, you know, multiple rounds of antibiotics. You know, they want to give us antibiotics when we’re kids for earaches and tooth infections and nose infections. So a lot of people have destroyed the good bacteria in their intestines. We used to have hundreds and hundreds of different strains of bacteria in our body, and we don’t have as many, and they don’t just come back for the fun of it. And these bad bacteria set into place. And so it seems like poor nutrition, stress, some insult on the body, allows the lining of the intestine to weaken. And this is where leaky gut comes in. And it seems to be some type of breakdown. Or if you get some, you know, onslaught typically from, you know, sadly, there’s antibiotic residues in our chicken and our dairy products. And so it’s hard to get away from.

And that’s why I say most of our complicated cases have multiple issues going on. You have fungal infections, low-lying viral infections, dysbiosis in your body. Then you have food sensitivities. And then not to mention the poisons, heavy metals and other things in our environment. And it’s one thing why we’re so sick and why it’s so hard to figure out how to get better, because just taking one approach is very short-sighted. And someone who’s been suffering for something for 30, 40 years, well, sir, you’re not going to change it in 30 days or even three months. It may take a year on the wagon, if you will, to get better. And so, you know, I wanted to enlighten your audience on a safe antimicrobial that you can take. And that’s why I want to talk about monolaurin and the Lauricidin Company.

Sure. So what does a Lauricidin gut protocol look like?

So we always start slow. Even if you don’t have high viral loads, when you take it. We don’t know if it’s going to work on so-called flu viruses, or if it’s going to work on fungus or Candida or bacteria. We don’t know what it’s going to start killing off, and then we don’t know how well your kidneys and your elimination pathways can handle this. And this is where Herxheimer symptoms can come up. And so you always start slow. So I would say around about 5 to 10 pellets once to twice a day. And just do that for your first week. And then each week increase by ten pellets until you get to about one scoop, which could take about a month to slowly build up.

Let’s back off. Give me the, give me the doctor, you know, Ryan Jones gut protocol with Lauricidin.

Well. It depends on what problem that you have with your gut. You know, if you have constipation, if you have diarrhea, if you have Candida infection, you know, so there’s a couple of different things. And so constipation may not have anything to do with dysbiosis. Constipation could be something different. And so the gut protocol for Candida would be to take the product multiple times per day, eliminate wheat and dairy and do that for 30 to 60 days and then reevaluate. We can get more complicated. However, the foods really affect our bodies. And that’s something that, you know, we typically ingest a couple of pounds of food each day, and then we may look at 2 or 3 capsules and think, hey, this is going to fix me when, well, you know, what I found with formulations is a lot of these products are very low potency.

And so in a heavy, you know, a 250-pound man is going to need a lot more than a 100-pound lady. And so the great thing with Lauricidin is that one scoop is three grams of product, which is about six capsules, and one scoop three times a day equals nine grams of product, which is about 18 capsules of product. It’s very hard to get patient compliance with 18 capsules. However, a little scoop of these pellets is very, very simple, as just a small little teaspoon and it’s very easy to swallow. Little kids can swallow it, elderly can swallow it. The pellets, just for the radio, are, you know, double the size of a BB. A lot of products that may give you monolaurin in a capsule, if you think two capsules is your dose, maybe when you first start, but it’s not a maintenance dose. It’s a much higher dose. We just don’t want you to go through that Herxheimer reaction. It’s just no fun.

And then, but your maintenance dose is about nine grams a day for some of those conditions.

So when you are doing Lauricidin, if you had an issue and you’re rebalancing your own gut and you assume the Lauricidin is killing off bad bacteria, what are you doing to make sure it’s getting replaced with good bacteria?

Well, definitely a fan of probiotics and fermented foods, you know. Now, one thing because I’m in the manufacturing industry, the probiotics that you get in the capsules, a lot of them are dead. They have to be refrigerated at the time of manufacturing and throughout the whole chain of their existence. And most of the products are not. I actually knew Ken Shahani, the man who invented DDS-1 Lactobacillus, and we purchase products from their company. And they only give us about a 12-month shelf life on the raw material. And then we encapsulate it and put it into a bottle. And so sometimes the shelf life doesn’t really match what’s on the bottle, and then the storage. So some of the spore-form bacteria, the boulardii bacteria, those are much more shelf-stable. So I suggest spore-form, Saccharomyces boulardii, Bacillus coagulans strains, and then also my own cabbage, carrots.

I make my own sauerkraut at home. I don’t like the store-bought. I think it’s a little too sour. So I ferment mine for 5 to 6 days and then I put it in the fridge. And so it still has, you know, billions of bacteria in it. But yes, sir. Fermented now.

A little more on the crunchy side, that’s all.

Yeah, yeah, I like it crunchy and not, you know, gross.

A little salty. Still not the sour. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But fermented dairy products, which is a fermented animal protein. Studying Ayurveda, I actually do pulse reading. Yogurt can make you constipated if you eat it regularly. And so, in Ayurveda, yogurt isn’t given all the time or daily. It’s mainly given for diarrhea patients. And then maybe you’ll have kefir once or twice a month. You know, if you can get the bacteria to implant, they will grow. So probiotics taken every day is for something that doesn’t implant. And so if your bacteria aren’t implanting you probably have dysbiosis. You have bad bacteria. So you need to clean them out and then put in the good bacteria. So I’m a fan of making my own yogurts, but I make kefir. And then maybe once a week or, you know, once a month, you know, I don’t, you know. Thank goodness I don’t have any digestive issues. Each patient is different.

Some people can’t handle dairy products. You know, food sensitivities cause a lot of issues.

I happen to do well on it. And if I’m making yogurt, it’s going to be a dairy yogurt. But for other people, if they’re against it and they don’t do well on dairy yogurt, you can make other kinds. Yeah, you can make other nut milk yogurts. Yeah.

You might make it from coconut milk. It doesn’t have to be a fermented animal protein to give you those probiotics. And then as the person gets healthier then they can sometimes handle dairy products. So typically it’s people who are the weakest that have the worst food sensitivities. And over time, which is hope for people as well. Right. As you get healthier, then maybe you can enjoy some of these foods that you, you know, liked in the past or ate in the past. But if you’re having a challenge, you have to sometimes buckle up and, you know, make it work and do the hard things to, to get better.

So I want to look something up really quick. What was the website?

lauricidin.com

So right now I’m clicking on the shop button. The first thing I see is the original Lauricidin eight-ounce jar of pellets. The next thing, fluoride-free whitening toothpaste. I think that’s an interesting one to have right there too, because as you were talking about infections and biofilms, a lot of people’s infections start in the mouth.

Yes, yes, H. pylori. That’s another condition that monolaurin can help with. And our toothpaste is amazing. Your teeth will be squeaky white clean. There’s no bleach in it, so it doesn’t bleach it from that aspect. But Lauricidin does have a surfactant quality to it, and it’s amazing. And of course, it doesn’t have any fluoride, doesn’t have any sorbitol. It’s very clean. Clean product uses organic peppermint oil. So all of our topical products, all-natural and good for sensitive skin. And then our topical products are actually preserved with Lauricidin. So there’s no phenoxyethanol, no potassium sorbate, no sodium benzoate in our lotions. The toothpaste does have those because you’re putting it in your mouth and, you know, botulism, those types of things. You do want to put those potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate food-grade preservatives in those.

So interesting. The body lotion. What’s in that?

Well, you know, with my work with food sensitivities, a lot of lotions out there are made with soy oil, canola oil, or peanut oil. And with my work with NAET and food sensitivities, I rarely found people sensitive to sunflower oil or sunflower butter. When they wanted to switch from peanut butter to sunflower butter, most people tolerate sunflower butter, no problem. And so all of the cosmetics, when you make a cream or an emulsion, you need water and oil. And so our lipids are sunflower-based. And so all of our lotions are as low-allergenic as you can possibly get. And they’re non-ethoxylated; there are no petroleum products, there’s no glycols, no propylene glycol, a whole bunch of no’s in our product. And then yeah, it has carrier of sunflower oil, Lauricidin and a true natural aromatic orange fragrance. We also have a fragrance-free version of the body lotion.

Okay, I also see the Lauricidin-powered Hand Barrier. Yeah. Why that? Is it probably similar to the body lotion?

Well, the hand barrier lotion is actually the first alcohol-free and benzalkonium-free hand sanitizer. So, Dr. Haley, I’m sure you know somewhat about FTC label regulations and certain claims that you can’t make on a label. And so in the US, if you want to call something a hand sanitizer, technically has to have alcohol at a 70% or more to follow that claim. So we do have an amazing alcohol hand sanitizer with Lauricidin in it. And then that makes it to where when you spray it on your hands, it will not dry out your hands. It’s the most amazing alcohol-based hand sanitizer because Lauricidin is an emollient. It actually softens your hands when you put it on there.

But I think I might know the answer to this. What year did you formulate it?

Well, yeah. The hand sanitizer did come out before COVID, but we sold a lot of it during that time. The hand barrier—the reason why we call it Hand Barrier—is because there is no alcohol and we don’t call it a hand sanitizer, but it does kill MRSA, gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria. So this is E. coli, staph, those types of bacteria as well. And so the hand lotion is amazing and it’s full of great ingredients. And once again it’s sunflower-oil-based as well.

All right. Tell me about the deodorant.

Well, another great product. One of my favorites. The deodorant is a roll-on and it’s great for sensitive skin. But because it is powered with Lauricidin, it has antimicrobial properties. And then there’s no aluminum in the deodorant. And actually, I formulated it to where, you know, when you sweat, you actually sweat into your shirts. And then the bacteria live in your shirt and grow and smell. Well, I formulated the lotion to where you can put it on your really nice shirts. It won’t mess it up. You can wash it out. I put it on all of my TravisMathew shirts and all the other, you know, expensive shirts that I wear for, you know, the last 6 or 7 years. Not one of them. Does it mess up the shirt so it doesn’t leave any cakiness or whiteness on the fabric, which a lot of deodorants do that have their stick formula and interesting.

So, you know, do well, you know, we want it to be functional. Right. And before the full-body deodorant craze came out, roll-on deodorant was a full-body. So I’ve actually had clients that, heavyweight clients that have fat folds and they get these, what they call aprons, and they get a yeast-based infection on that skin. Well, you can put this deodorant there and the ointment and get rid of the infection and keep it away. And so the deodorant doesn’t just kill the bacteria, but it also kills some of these other, you know, gram-positive bacteria that are on the skin and also yeast-based forms. And so the product’s very well rounded and then it’s natural fragrance as well. So works really great.

In your manufacturing experience, what have you learned about the industry that you, that just, you know, head in hands and you’re like, I can’t believe this is what really happens in the cosmetic laboratory.

Well, I’ll start with dietary supplements. It’s the low potency. You know, I mentioned it earlier. When I was in Sri Lanka for traditional oriental medicine, we would literally get 300 to 400 grams of herbs and give it to the patient, and they would go home and cook that up into a tea, you know, handful of herbs. And they would make that and they would drink that tea for, you know, that week and then they would come back. Well, sir, that could easily equal 15 to 20 capsules of something that someone would take. And so when I came back to America and I started to see the formulations, I was like, oh man, they’re not taking enough. And literally I would tell people to take 6 or 8 capsules of this if you want the amount of herbs there. And that’s what’s so great about the Lauricidin, the product, the value that you get.

This one eight-ounce canister is over 200 grams of material. That’s over four bottles of capsules, if you were to buy it in a capsule form. And like I said, the dosing needs to be around nine grams for your active daily dose once you build up to that. And that’s three scoops, one scoop three times a day. And that would equal 18 capsules. So if you’re ever going to buy monolaurin, buying it in a capsule form is the least economical form. And so the most economical form are the pellets made by the Lauricidin company. And in the cosmetic industry, it is what we call the pixie dust effect, where, you know, there’s these shampoo companies, I won’t say any names, where it says it has this flower in it, and this herb and that. But when you get home and the shampoo’s crystal clear, and I don’t know about you, when I make green tea, my tea comes out brown. It doesn’t come out clear.

And so these cosmetics that have literally a laundry list of this flower and that herb and this, this, but their cream is crystal white, it means they’re putting nothing in it. And so when I formulate natural creams, a lot of times they come out slightly yellow or a little bit tan. And those are real herbal extracts with real potency put into the formula. So sadly, our industry is riddled, full of BS and pixie dust and full of acrylates and polymers and silicones. Most of your creams, when you look at it, the first ingredient is cyclopentasiloxane that people can’t even pronounce. And that’s a high molecular weight silicone. And so it can be volatile. So those go in hair products, and women blow dry their hair and they literally volatilize this silicone into the air and they breathe it.

And so a lot of cosmetics are full of fluff, but they’re made to go in nice and smooth and silky and not leave any greasiness behind. But that means you’re basically getting nothing. And so,

That, you know, I like people to understand color and aroma really come from nutrients. And when they decolorize and deodorize plant material to put in your cosmetics. And like you said, it’s clear. It means essentially they took out the nutrients from it. We see the same thing in our industry, and I like people to understand, don’t buy it for the taste, the texture, the pleasure, buy it for the benefits. Eat to live, don’t live to eat, you know. Did I say that right? Yeah, I think so. Yes you did. And it goes with all the products. So I, I personally I’m going to start incorporating the pellets in my life. It makes sense and I’m looking forward to that. I’ll probably try a couple of the other products as I’m.

We are really bombarded by things. You know, when I first started with the company, I knew that children could take the product. And I have three small children, 13, 8, and so when they first started going to daycare, they would bring home, you know, pink eye and earaches.

Oh, they bring home everything.

And then I would start getting sick and I said, hey, wait a minute, I don’t get sick. How is this happening? And so what we do prophylactically in our family is from basically October to March, is my children take a quarter scoop of pellets at nighttime before they go to bed, and that’s enough to keep them from bringing home any earache, sniffles, anything. And then, of course, they don’t bring it home to me. So then I don’t get it. Now, of course, if I’m out and about and I’m around a bunch of people who are coughing and sneezing, then I make sure I go home and take my pellets. Or when I travel, I do that, or at the sign of getting something, I take my pellets. And so that’s how I use it. Someone who doesn’t suffer from an ongoing issue, I use the product prophylactically. And when I travel, as my extra boost to keep me from getting sick or run down.

So I want to try that. And the toothpaste looks like something that I would definitely want to use.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you’ll like it a lot. Just start slow with the pellets. You never know. But then. Yeah. You’re good.

Well, Dr. Jones, I feel like I learned a lot. People, go check out the website at lauricidin.com and see what the products look like, and decide if you want to start incorporating them in your life. I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to after hearing this. I know I do. Thanks so much.

Thank you, Dr. Haley. It was a pleasure.

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