Jared St. Clair is host of the podcast “Vitality Radio”. He is a natural health educator and owner & Formulator at Vitality Nutrition found at vitalitynutrition.com. He helps people master natural supplements, enhance emotional vitality, and thrive without the use of pharma drugs.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro Snip
00:51 Introduction Jared St. Clair
01:46 What political positions does Jared St. Clair take? (hint: health freedom)
02:40 How did we get away from natural remedies and switch to a medicine based healthcare system?
04:29 what is the difference between anecdotal evidence and evidence based medicine?
06:16 How dangerous is natural remedies like apple cider vinegar compared to medicine?
08:03 Why can’t we ever say that foods can “CURE” something?
12:50 How can an apple cider vinegar concoction applied topically help muscle cramps?
15:56 What is fire cider?
21:05 What would Jared St. Clair do if he found out he had cancer?
23:03 How does have cancer affect your decision process?
27:48 Why did you get acid reflux
31:42 How did you get well from acid reflux and how long did it take?
37:08 What kind of water does Jared St. Clair drink?
38:33 How do you re-mineralize distilled water?
40:37 What supplements does Jared St. Clair routinely take?
41:53 What is the supplement “Back On Tract”?
43:35 What is Jared’s Vital Five?
47:08 Who needs digestive enzymes?
49:04 What probiotics do you recommend?
53:14 How can we improve our digestion without adding any supplements and without changing what we eat?
54:04 What does meditation have to do with digestion?
57:20 What is Jared St. Clair’s take on vaccination?
1:05:22 Where do people go to follow Jared St. Clair?
TRANSCRIPT
As far as diet,
stuff went, you know, everything’s organic now.
We buy a half a steer once a year, you know, all that sort of thing. And,
that’s been incredibly good for both of us. I mean, no matter what I say about supplements and I’m a huge supplement fan, nothing replaces a really, really great diet.
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“This is the Dr Haley Show podcast. I’m Dr Michael Haley, show host and today’s guest, Jared St. Clair He’s host of the podcast vitality Radio, which I listened to an episode this morning on iTunes. There’s over 500 episodes. He’s a natural health educator and owner and formulator at Vitality Nutrition, founded vitalitynutrition.com
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Jared, thanks for being on the show. I’ve discovered you on, I think, a YouTube episode and just a magnetic presenter. One of those people that are solid in your understanding and you speak with authority. And I absolutely love that. Maybe even a little political on some issues, which I don’t know if it’s going to come up. I mean, are you vaccinated?
I don’t know, I mean, welcome to the show. Well, first off, I’m very, very glad to be here. Second, I generally am mostly political when it comes to health freedom. But I certainly have some strong views in some other political areas. But I don’t feel like it’s my place to really, throughout my political opinions outside of my area of, I guess you could call it expertise.
And so for me, what is done to the human body should be the decision exclusively of that particular individual. So with mandates and all the other crap that goes on with health care in this country, I am always happy to speak up about that. Yeah. You know, the reason we got into this situation is kind of weird.
And in your podcast today, you were starting a series on, you know, something about what grandma knows. Yeah, but what are you calling it? Grandma was right. Grandma was right. And it’s kind of funny because I recorded an episode of the Dr Haley show yesterday talking with an herbalist, and we were talking about what grandma knows and how it’s kind of a lost thing.
But grandma was like the doctor of the family. She was a chiropractor. She was the herbalist, and she knew things. Now, you know, I’m this far away from being grandpa, and you know my wife that far away from being grandma. We don’t know what they knew because we were raised up completely different, blinded by little adverts. I think I did some math and figured out we were getting at least 10,000 drug adverts per year, watching TV, or something like that.
It was ridiculous, but it’s overwhelming. It’s something like, you know, if you think five per show that you watch in an hour, and if you watch ten hours of TV a week, which most people probably do more than that, you know, you’re at 50 times 50, weeks in a year because you take a couple weeks off. Well, that’s already 2500 drug adverts per year.
So we were trained to think differently than grandma who had a remedy for everything. Yeah. So it’s interesting because there are so many things when you look at the natural world as opposed to,
today’s more modern approach to medicine, you look at for me anyway, I look at a lot of things that are often kind of, belittled or,
tossed aside and things like anecdotal evidence,
you know, we talk about evidence based medicine, and that term is hilariously poorly placed, in my opinion, because evidence based medicine is essentially what modern medicine refers to as pharmacy.
And, of course, surgeries and things like that and many of that, those things do have their place. But what is evidence based mean? It means that there are studies that have been done that prove some level of efficacy. But what’s so interesting about it is that we also get from those same studies, and in many cases, the studies that are buried, and hidden from view, the level of side effects and challenges that come from that type of medicine.
Anecdotal evidence is less scientifically concrete, perhaps, but when we look at the most ancient medicinal systems in the world, India, China, places like that, we find this incredible heritage of beautiful, effective, safe natural medicine. And it is often has been any way kind of tossed aside in favor of pharmacy, which we have a very, very, relatively short, history of use.
And the history that we do have to me indicates that there’s a lot of harm in that form of medicine, and by far more harm there than there ever has been in the 5000 years of use of traditional Chinese medicine. For instance. Yeah, I guess because drugs are mostly laboratory synthesized versus your typical remedy that grandma was making up.
you were talking on the podcast about, apple cider vinegar. Yeah. Which I never heard it called ACV. The first time I heard, I said like, oh, the apple cider vinegar. But something very, very naturally made. And, you know, you compare all of the things that that could potentially do and how low risk it is in dosing it compared to medications.
You still have to be careful. It’s pretty acidic. Yeah. But yeah, you gotta do it with a little bit of wisdom. But frankly, the first time you take a shot of straight vinegar, you pretty much learned that lesson. And, say, wow, that really burns, right? And, dilute it with some water and, rinse your mouth out a little bit in case you’re concerned about, you know, the acid
with your enamel in your teeth and that kind of thing.
But this is something that goes back to, you know, thousands and thousands of years,
Hippocrates, you know, the father of medicine,
even, mentions vinegar and recommended vinegar.
and it has this wide range of benefit. And the other thing that’s interesting about a couple of things, it can’t be patented. Right. So it’s a very inexpensive, I’ll say, product to use because it can be used as a supplement or it can be used as a food
on that episode of the show that you talked about, I talk about the difference between apple cider vinegar capsules versus apple cider vinegar gummies versus apple cider vinegar itself, the liquid.
And regardless of what you’re out, you’re taking, it’s a very cheap medicine. And, it has a broad range of benefits and is now getting, I think, maybe more of a fair shake than it has in, half a century. So it’s exciting that people are starting to wake up to again and starting to use it where it, sort of fell out of favor to some degree.
Yeah. And one thing you said is it can’t be patented, which there’s also a problem in that meaning who’s going to pay for the research to prove its efficacy in certain situations? So it’ll never be real, true scientific, proven. And we’ll always be talking about maybe used to help this and, you know, wording things in a way we’ll never be able to say cures.
Yeah.
but the interesting thing about vinegar, in that show, I talk about, I think it’s five pretty well proven, benefits that actually have science behind them. Not, you know, dozens and dozens of studies, but enough studies that we have that plus the years of anecdotal evidence that we can point to and say, we pretty much know this stuff works for this digestion being one of those things.
And then I also list off about five things that there really aren’t any studies on, but that we do have historical use and lots of people saying, yeah, this stuff really helps me with this,
but that’s all we have.
then you mentioned what we can’t say about it. If we could prove that apple cider vinegar cured cancer, if we could prove that, tablespoon of apple cider vinegar three times a day cured Covid.
And I’m not saying it does. I don’t think it cures either one of those things. But if we could prove that clinically, we could never say that because it is not a patented drug, and there is a gag order essentially on food and supplement companies about claims that are reserved in this country only for drugs, because drugs have a special class of protection, from the FDA that allows them to say things about their products that, natural companies cannot say about their products.
It’s a restriction
of our First Amendment rights, in my opinion. But then I’m not, in politics enough to be able to make a big change in that, unfortunately. And even if I were, I’m not sure if I could get there. You know, I think it’s funny, I have an aloe vera company, and I had taken over the product line from this guy, Rodney Stockton.
Now, he was my patient in the 90s, and he was,
in his later 80s already when I had met him. But he would bring in his jugs of Aloe when he come to get his chiropractic adjustments. And he’d say, you got to put everyone that has cancer on this, it cures cancer. I mean, he would talk about it like that.
He just didn’t care. And you kind of got away with things back then. Yeah. You can get away with verbally versus in an advertisement. You know there’s something about that as well. Right. Yeah. Well, I had to undo a lot of his, content. And I still make it usable in a sense. So I, I would do a reaction video where he would have people, you know, swearing on video that they’re alive today because of Rodney Stockton and his aloe vera.
I’d have to stop and say aloe vera does not cure cancer. So it might help, you know, support your immune system. but it is not a cure. And I had to stop that video of, you know, 7 or 8 testimonials probably a hundred times to interject that comment or there’s no way it could stay published on YouTube, for instance.
And they are actually, they had taken down the unreaction video. So I thought, well, let me see if I can fix it, make it usable. Yeah. Because I think it’s important that people hear other people’s opinions on these things. Yeah. For sure. I mean, we live in an age now because of the internet, where people are very moved by testimonials.
Right? Because we have a lot more access to testimonial. I don’t think anybody’s ever bought anything on Amazon without reading a couple of reviews. At least something they’ve never tried before. Right. And of course, we also live in a world where a lot of that stuff’s fake, so, you know, it’s a whole another story. But, you know, hearing somebody actually say, hey, I used this, and it worked.
You know,
the thing I say to every single customer that comes in to Vitality Nutrition, and I’ve been saying this for 30 plus years at least. Yeah. As they leave with a product that they’ve not purchased before is please come back and let us know how that works for you. And that has become a real tradition with me and my clients.
they do come back and they do share that information, and that’s incredibly helpful, even if that’s not caught on video, where we publish it somewhere as a sales tool, we utilize it as that anecdotal evidence because once you hear 100 people tell you a similar story on the effect of a product, it’s fairly safe to assume that the next 100 people have a good chance that it will help them as well, right?
Yeah,
I agree, so and before I ask you this next question, I do want to make a connection on some of the other things that I learned on your podcast or heard about and one of them was a concoction very similar to something my daughter makes for herself. She’s 16 years old and I don’t know how she figured this out, but she makes a concoction of apple cider vinegar with, she puts in turmeric and ginger and black pepper and lemon juice, and I forget what a garlic.
Should I say? Garlic? But she, blends it up and she takes a swig every day, and apparently she feels that it’s helping with her skin, with her complexion. Awesome. But
I’m hearing you, and it’s like, oh, wait, that’s almost, an exact formula. Besides a little, you know, well, it had turmeric in it and lemon juice, but you had put it on your calf topically, something similar to get rid of a leg cramp.
And I thought, Whoa! I would have never thought that something like that could penetrate so quickly through the skin and relieve a cramp. I thought that was pretty neat. Yeah, I did too. The funny thing is, as I mentioned on the show, I had had people tell me it worked for them. For whatever reason, it didn’t click into my head.
That it might work for me. In fact, why I didn’t share this on the show. But I think you’ll find this, entertaining. So I’d never had a leg cramp like that, ever. I yeah, I don’t know where the heck it came from. I honestly don’t remember if I was hiking the day before and got dehydrate. I don’t know what happened, but it was, it was a cramp.
I mean, I was barely hobbling, and it hit me like a ton of bricks.
so I, you know, immediately reached for, I think I mixed up a, thing of electrolytes. And I took some magnesium, but that stuff takes time. And, I walked by the front counter of the store, and we had this product, this old Amish formula that it’s called.
And it used to be called before the FDA sent them a letter. It used to be called stops leg cramps in one minute. That was the name of the product. And we had it on our counter at 50% off because it wasn’t selling. And, so we had it on our counter, 50% off. I saw it sitting there and I thought,
how many people have I had
Tell me over the years I’ve had it wasn’t a lot, three or 4 or 5 people that had said, hey, you just rub this on a cramp and it’s almost instant. So I immediately opened a bottle. I rubbed it on that cramp and it was wild. I mean, five seconds. I started noticing a difference 10s it was loosening up by I don’t think it was more than 30s I could tell that I had the cramp because I had the lingering, kind of bruised kind of feeling, but there was no cramp.
The muscle was relaxed at that point, blew my mind. And then from my personal testimonial, we sell that stuff really well. Now I know I don’t have to put it 50% off anymore. So kind of an interesting, you know, personal use, story that, again, points to anecdotal evidence because there is not a single study that’s been done on apple cider vinegar, ginger and garlic, which is what’s in this formula for leg cramps.
But over the years since that happened, and I’ve been recommending it to people, I hear it all the time. And another formula that you had mentioned on that podcast was Fire Cider. And, you know,
I’m at work and my office refrigerator is right on the other side behind this computer screen. And sure enough, there’s a jar of fire cider in there, and we have a jar of fire cider in our refrigerator at home.
And, you know, when we feel it’s time to have a swig just because we do. In your case, you had mentioned that your wife uses it and takes it. Travels with it rather. Yeah. Just in case. Yeah, because she had her gallbladder removed, years ago. I say it was taken from her. That’s usually how I feel about gallbladder removal.
I think it’s, a crime to some degree. Not to say that they don’t sometimes have to be removed, but I think they’re almost always removed prematurely. And there’s work that can be done to save them. But the interesting thing that I’ve never heard a doctor say to a patient or heard a patient tell me that their doctor told them this is that you cannot have a gallbladder and still have what is essentially a gallbladder attack if you’re biliary ducts, back up
with, bile sludge essentially where the bile is not moving like it should.
And it’s not as thin as it should be. And it feels just like a gallbladder attack. Now, I know this because my wife used to have these attacks, and they put her in the E.R. a couple of times, and that’s when she had her gallbladder removed. And when she had another one of
these attacks with no gallbladder, like 15 years later, she didn’t have one forever.
The first ones you had was after she met me seven years ago. And she said, if I don’t understand Jared this thing feels like a gallbladder attack, but I don’t have a gallbladder. And I said, I can tell you what it is. And we talked about it. And she said, why did anybody tell me that? I said, well, that’s a good question, but, I also know how to handle it.
And the first thing was apple cider vinegar, my concoction is, a couple of tablespoons apple cider vinegar in, raw or not raw,
sorry, unfiltered apple juice, raw will be better if you can get it or, you know, juice your own or whatever. But we did unfiltered apple juice at the store and she used that.
And much like what I said about my leg cramp, not as instantaneous, but it’s pretty quick. It’s shockingly, fast. How quickly the bile starts to thin and things start to ease up. And generally you’re feeling better within, minutes or certainly within a half an hour or an hour in most cases. At that time, we hadn’t really I knew what fire cider was, but I’d never carried it.
And when we started carrying Fire cider. She like that because it’s already made. It’s portable in a little bottle, and she just takes it with her everywhere she goes. And it actually tastes pretty pleasant. Strong. But when you, you know, when you think what’s in it and what I’m there’s onions in here or garlic or, you know, and you think about this, but.
Yeah, well, your daughter’s concoction is basically fire cider. It’s a version of it anyway. I would say just not fermented. Yeah, well,
didn’t. You say she’s using vinegar though. Well yeah. Yeah. So the vinegar is fermented the other stuff. Isn’t fire ciders typically fermented together like you said? Yeah. So it’s a little less what would we say, a little less?
Fully prepared, I guess. But, still would have a lot of those incredible benefits. And I think to some degree,
the fermentation alone with the mother, and everything is probably enhancing. The absorption of everything else is in there anyway.
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So, you know, these are the kind of things. And this is one of the things why, you know, I was drawn to you.
We, we practice similar lives in our diet. And our thought processes, the whole health freedom concept. Very, very important topic there. So most of my audience, because I have an aloe vera product, a lot of them at one time had cancer. Some of them are using aloe to support their immune systems in fighting cancer.
Some had horrible digestive problems and came to me for the aloe for that, and some are still going through their digestive issues. So that’s kind of my audience. And with that question for you, what would you do if you found out that you had cancer? That’s a good question. And, also, if you’re interested and we have time, I’ll tell you my personal testimonial, aloe, because I am a huge fan of that, very much a similar story to the leg cramp thing, but a lot more, a lot more life changing, for sure.
As far as what would I do if I’ve had cancer? It’s funny that you asked me that we didn’t talk about this prior to the show, and I just about if I hadn’t remember exactly 2 or 3 weeks ago. And I have a, a document where I keep show ideas every time I have an idea of the next, next show I want to record, I jot it down in there.
And then eventually I get around to recording that show. And about three weeks ago, I think I wrote literally what the show is going to be called is what would I do if I got cancer? So, so well done. Now, I wish you had asked me after I recorded that show, but, I’ll give you some of my ideas off top of my head.
So the first thing is,
there’s a lot to cancer, right? There’s a whole bunch of different varieties. They don’t behave the same. There’s. And of course, when we look at medical treatments, there’s a bunch of different approaches to treating cancer. And sometimes they say it’s inoperable and you’re incurable. Usually they say that we can at least, radiate the heck out of it or hit it with chemo and, you know, give you a fighting chance and all this kind of thing.
I’ve seen enough of that, to know that
my personal belief is that if you are able to get into remission. And I think it is interesting that they call it remission and not cured. There’s a really high likelihood if it’s treated with radiation and chemotherapy, it’s coming back, and it may not even come back in the same place that it came.
In fact, in many cases, that place has been cut out. Right. Let’s say it’s breast cancer or something like that. But the body is so hammered at that point from the poisons, literal poisons that are given to you to kill the cancer, and they’re killing off a whole lot of good, healthy stuff as well, that your, you know, quality of life oftentimes suffers certainly during the treatment, but in many cases for years or even decades after that.
And
you kind of live on the edge of the next cancer in many cases. So to me, that’s the last resort. I look at modern medicine always as last resort. I will use it. I just recorded a show a month ago that I didn’t ever want to record about something that I had to do pharmaceutically that I never thought I would do in all my life.
It’s a fairly minor thing, and we won’t get into it here. If somebody wants to hear it. You can listen to it
on my show,
but I am happy to admit, when pharma helps me, I can tell you that’s only happened a couple of times, but I’m happy to admit it and I’m glad that it’s there when I need it.
But
That’s what I reserve that for. I would recommend, first off, for everybody look into this before you have cancer. Cancer’s a major killer in this country. And,
it’s on the rise and especially in many specific types of cancer. And once you have the disease, the level of fear and anxiety that comes with that diagnosis is enough to make you think far less clearly than you otherwise probably would, and become a far less critical thinker than you otherwise might be.
And I think we can just point back to 2020 and 2021 for everybody to be able to see that, we look back at how things were when we were told we were all going to die, and how people behave in that circumstance, and how people were willing to give up their rights and their freedoms and everything else. And not just that, but potentially rat out their friends and, not spend time with family and even in some cases shut family out because of this fear.
Right. And so whenever we are in the thick of it is the worst time to decide how to handle it.
so that would be my first bit of advice is get educated on it. I have done that. And because of that, I think one of the first things I would do is I’d go to Mexico. There are some incredible cancer clinics in Mexico.
They’re legal there that aren’t legal here. I would at the very least consult with one of those clinics and get, kind of a game plan and, and see what that looks like. There are a lot of supplements that I would immediately be going on, several of which I’m already on. But I would probably increase the doses.
Some of the things that I think have the most evidence of support, aloe vera is one of those things. Turmeric in, good high concentration with a high, bioavailability. There’s some incredible studies showing that it can shrink tumors and do a variety of other things. When it comes to cancer, I’m a very, very big believer in OPCs from grape seed extract for that.
There’s a bunch of other things. And, you know, if this was a cancer show, I’d have a whole document prepared that I could give you a, you know, sort of a supplement regimen that I would recommend. But, the biggest thing I would do is I would make a wholesale change in my diet, no matter whether I did the Mexico thing or not, I would be on a very, very strict, you know, zero sugar, zero grain.
There’s a variety of ways that people do it. I’m not sure, honestly, at this point, which approach I might take. I think it might depend on what the cancer is. But, you know, some people go raw vegan, some people go, full paleo, some people go keto or carnivore. I actually think all of those are potentially on the table depending on what’s going on.
But
there would be no refined food. There would be only whole food, and I would be looking for things that are specifically reducing in a significant way inflammation, because cancer is an inflammatory disease.
and that means
your food is the ultimate inflammatory agent, really, but can also be the ultimate anti-inflammatory agent.
So I’d be
on a fully anti-inflammatory diet. Yeah. I like to help people understand that there’s different diets and they kind of have different purposes. And I love hearing that from you and your way as people are listening. They’ve heard my way of presenting this enough times. But when you hear a different perspective, or even the same perspective presented a different way, it’s, it helps them understand, but there’s different diets and I would probably eat differently to strengthen my body against cancer than I would if I was training for a powerlifting event.
For sure. Yeah, it would be a different diet. It’s a different purpose. So we probably would be emphasizing the tastier foods, the herbs and the spices and the things that are real, nutrient dense and anti-inflammatory. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Now you also did have a personal challenge with acid reflux at one time. Why do you think you got that and what did you do about it.
Well, so in this case the show could be called mom and dad were right. You know, I was raised in a health food store. My parents opened up Vitality Nutrition when I was five years old. I’m 53, this year, and, I’ve owned it for the last 31 years. But I started
managing it and working with customers and everything when I was 15 years old.
So I’m like, this is my life’s blood when it comes to my career. And it’s the thing that I have found the most passion in, that, you know, life can present to you. There’s the second only to
my kids and my grandkids, my wife. This is it is my love. I absolutely adore it. But when I was a kid, and I was growing up in a house where we didn’t have Fruit Loops and we didn’t have zingers and ding dongs and all those types of things.
I was the one trading my healthy lunch for other kids is unhealthy lunch, and they thought my lunch was weird and interesting, so they wanted to trade. And I’m like, man, I haven’t had a ding dong in three years. So it was that sort of thing. And then as I started making my income from my parents store, as I was managing the store at 15 years old, I was making $1.50 an hour.
I think that was a third of what minimum wage was. But there are no child labor laws when it comes to your own children. So. So I wasn’t making much money, but when I got my little paycheck, as I recall, I would actually cash it out in the register because it was really small, so I could easily do that, dad, and hand me a check at cash It out in the register.
The first store we had, this is when I was really little, 9 or 10 years old, and I was making $0.50 an hour or something like that, right across the hall in the little shopping mall that we were in, there was a toy store. And then at the other end of the place,
there was a candy store, and I would go I’d save up 2 or 3 paychecks or whatever and get the toy I really wanted.
And then the change I’d take down to the candy store, and I’d get the candy I really wanted. So
that was how I spent my paycheck. Then when I was a teenager,
I’d run right across the street, at lunch time, and I would get a double deluxe cheeseburger with, extra everything and a chocolate chocolate chip shake and a large order of onion rings.
If I ate that now, I’d go into a food coma for three days. But back then, it tasted great and I felt fine afterwards, right? So I was not doing as I was taught is my point. I was, living the life at home, but with my own money, in my own time. I was abusing my body.
At 23 years old, a year after I bought the store,
the store was kind of humming along. It was doing fine. I wasn’t getting rich. I wanted to make more money. And so I took an opportunity that turned out to be a scam to buy another business. And I was working another business, and I was out on the road all the time selling advertising.
And I ate out probably twice a day on average during that couple of year period. And I was losing money hand over fist from month one. All the way through two and a half years in, when I had lost about $200,000. At that point, and I didn’t have $200,000 to lose. So it was all debt and my stress level was this high, and my diet was terrible, and my sleep wasn’t great because my stress was so high.
So my body was on red alert and, I couldn’t digest my food. And so I created this incredible acid reflux situation. My gastroenterologist at the time, who thankfully I haven’t had to see in 20 something years,
said that he did 800 scopes a year and that mine was one of the worst. He had ever seen at 26 years old.
So I was in bad shape and I had this. I didn’t know, I don’t know, 2% of what I know now about health, and I think I was actually relatively well educated at the time, just based on the history and my family and everything. But I didn’t know how to handle this. Nexium had just come on the market.
I remember, I think that the catch phrase was today’s purple pill or something like that. And, it had just come out on the market. My gastroenterologist said, this is what you need to do. And the one thing I had learned from mom and dad is that pharma, this, you know, stay away, don’t take the prescription.
Do anything you can to not do it. I actually regret that at this point. I recognize now that I’ve had done something like that for just a few weeks to calm things down. I probably could have healed things a little quicker. And I say that with great hesitation. I think PPIs are terrible in almost every way, but for short term use, which is the only way they’ve ever been approved anyway, they can actually have some short term benefit, and I think I probably would have benefited from that.
But anyway, long story too long. I talked to a rep of ours that came in and sold supplements, to us that we then sold to our customers. And I said, this is my problem. He was the smartest rep I knew, and he was an herbalist himself and just had this great history of knowledge. And he gave me a regimen.
And the very first thing in the regimen was aloe vera juice, whole leaf, aloe vera juice. And he told me how to use that. And, he recommended digestive enzymes and,
specific type of probiotic. And then, of course, you got to start eating better. Jared. Right. So
this was the,
prescription. We’ll say.
And I started on it and he told me that he thought within three months I’d see a substantial improvement. At three months in, I had seen zero improvement. I was super frustrated. I had been doing it very, very religiously. I called him up and I said, Paul, what’s going on here, man? I got to get over this thing is not getting better.
And he said, just see it through for another month or two. You’re a tough case, but you’ll get there. The weird thing is, Michael, three and a half months in, it was like a switch flipped. I started feeling substantially better. By the end of four months. I was like, I don’t know, 75% better than I was. By the end of five months, I was I almost had no symptoms at all.
At six months, I didn’t have symptoms. I did the entire thing for a full year just to make sure that I’d gotten the healing done that I needed and all that kind of stuff. By the time I was 27 years old, I didn’t have acid reflux and I have never had it since, so it’s completely reversible. I’m living proof, and I helped a lot of people get there over the years since I figured out how to do it now.
When did you fix your diet? Prior to starting that regimen, I would imagine. Yeah. So I fixed my diet a lot back then, but it was far from perfect, for sure. There were a few things going on. I was broke, like, I just lost all this money.
I was in financially. I was in terrible shape.
Even buying the supplements from myself, that wholesale was an expense that was a little tough to choke out. That’s how broke we were. At that point, I think I was about four months behind on my rent to the. And for my landlord at the business, which was pretty scary. He kind of booted us out. I was behind on everything.
I was staring bankruptcy in the face. I chose not to do that.
and fought through it.
but it was a bad situation. So organic was kind of off the table at that time.
I was eating probably still a lot more. Well, not probably definitely still more refined foods than I should have been.
And a whole lot more than I eat now, which is almost zero, right? And I was still a food addict. I mean, honestly, I still was eating stuff that I shouldn’t have eaten, but I probably cleaned up my diet, you know, 75% better than it was.
and I recognized a few foods that were pretty heavy triggers for the reflux that I got rid of.
But it’s been a process.
My diet now is. It’s unrecognizable from my diet as a younger man.
and a big chunk of that. And it’s kind of embarrassing to admit this, but I always tell my listeners on my show, I’m just going to tell this, tell you the truth about how I do things, and it’s not always right, and I’m not always proud of it.
But, when I met my wife, who was a very unhealthy individual when we met almost eight years ago now, she needed incredible support. And
long before we became engaged or became husband and wife, we just were settled in as best friends. And I was helping her get better with her health and she had severe IBS and she had autoimmune disease, and she dealt with bipolar symptoms and bunch of other things like that.
And, that was actually the final motivator for me to just clean stuff up. She was willing to do it, and I said, I’ll do it with you, and we’re just going to clean it up. And at this point, we could afford to do everything that we wanted to do. As far as diet, stuff went, you know, everything’s organic now.
We buy a half a steer once a year, you know, all that sort of thing. And, that’s been incredibly good for both of us. I mean, no matter what I say about supplements and I’m a huge supplement fan, nothing replaces a really, really great diet. Yeah. And the reason that was important, for me to ask that question is I want anyone listening to this to realize if you’re having challenges, first thing, you’re gotta get rid of the cause.
You gotta get rid of the cause, or you’ll be treating it forever. It’ll just come right back as soon as you get over it. As soon as you stop doing what you’re doing that’s treating it, it’ll come right back. If you haven’t gotten rid of the cause. What kind of water do you drink? Currently, we’re drinking, well, water from a local.
Well, that’s just a few miles from our house. That it’s probably the most delicious water I’ve ever tasted. I love it. But we’re. The more I research water, the more I’m leaning towards, buying a distiller and distilling my water. And then re analyzing it and going that route. I heard a pretty compelling, speech about a year ago, from a doctor
at a health conference who was talking about, the radon
radiation in the water that, is very common to, well, water, depending on where you’re at.
I did some more research, and there’s a whole bunch of radon. Right around. I mean, like, it’s a heavily concentrated area where our, well, is. So even though the water itself is clean, I think that we’ve got some radiation that we’re probably putting into our system, and distilling water, full distillation even gets rid of radon gas.
So that’s the approach that we’re going to take. Honestly, I’ve just been kind of dragging my feet about buying the machine, but we’re going to buy one. I think I’m gonna put one here at my store for my team
and one at the
house. They’re not crazy expensive. I’ve never loved the taste of distilled water. That’s probably one of the biggest reasons I’ve been a little hesitant or not that excited about it.
But when you re
Minerals that I actually think it tastes pretty good. So
that’s what I’m moving to soon. And what do you use for that re mineralizing? So there’s a few different options for sure. I right now, if I had to choose,
it would be probably the trace Minerals Research,
concentrates formula along with their indoor product.
I don’t know if you’re familiar with that brand, their local Utah company, they get their minerals out of the Great Salt Lake just right, across the way from us. And I love those, but there’s I think there’s some excellent mineral options.
a lot of minerals come from Utah, actually,
where I’m based.
The humic shale fields down in, central Utah are a huge resource for,
what are considered to be essentially ancient, food minerals that have been, you know, fossilized over the centuries. Interesting. Yeah. I heard some great talks on water. And personally, I’m kind of a pH neutral guy, and I like clean water, but if you are drinking pure H2O, well, the water has one option, and that’s to pull minerals towards it.
Right. And and that is the downside of distilled water. Right. Is if you do it straight. Yeah. So you want to put something back in it. And even if it was turning it into tea, just putting tea leaves in it is at least adding something to it. Sure. Yeah. Lots of options. Coconut water has all kinds of electrolyte minerals.
Yeah. And I’m a I’m a coconut water. Yeah. I’m in Florida. I can just go grab a coconut, you know, out of the front yard and chop top off and boom. There you go. Yeah,
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So what are your daily supplements or what do you take routinely. And taking it a step further when you travel what do you have to take with you?
I’ll answer the travel one first because it’s less complex. The first product I ever gave to my wife
on our first date, and I, I laugh about this because I tell her. I tell all my listeners, I say, if you ever do go out with a guy on a first date, especially if you met him online, don’t take any pills from him.
But she did so we I gave her a product called back on tract , which is a formula I developed, and I actually developed it specifically because it addressed the,
probiotic and digestive enzyme,
pieces of my, acid reflux.
Routine
that I did
to fix my acid reflux. So back on tract is kind of a universal digestive health product.
It’s got herbs that help to cool and calm the, digestive tract. It’s got very specific probiotics, specifically spore probiotics that help to strengthen the gut in a variety of different ways and nourish the microbiome. And then it’s got digestive enzymes to help you break down all the different types of food that you would eat. That is a non-negotiable.
It goes with me everywhere I travel, it’s taken with almost every meal. And I always have to say almost because I. I forget sometimes, but almost every meal gets back on tract. And, it’s real stable. So it travels really, really well. And if we’re going for a day or two, I’m sometimes I’ll just take magnesium and back on tract, and that’s all I’ll do.
Just to keep things simple. If we’re going for a while, I take, you know, all my stuff with me. As far as what I take that I consider to be the absolutes, years ago. So
my podcast is five and a half years old, but I was on local radio for 12 years prior to that on the Utah Jazz Radio Network.
And that’s a funny place to be as a health guy, because literally every show for every single hour, for seven days a week was about sports, except for my one hour of the,
radio station. And so people would be listening to the Utah Jazz game the night before, or a local hockey game or sports radio, whatever.
And then, you know, just by accident, they’d listen to me Saturday morning when they turn on their vehicle and I’m spouting off stuff about herbs and
I’m guessing, honestly, Michael, that 90% of those guys are like, this isn’t sports, and flip the channel to the other sports station. But I kept some of those people, enough that the show was actually pretty successful.
And that’s why it eventually became a podcast. But
these were unsuspecting people, and a lot of these people hadn’t taken a supplement in their lives. And so then they would come into the shop and say, man, I really like what you were saying about this stuff. And they look around my store, you got thousands of products here.
Where do I start? And I got that question so many times that I finally said, I got to come up with
a pretty universal answer for this. There is no perfectly universal answer because the ultimate wild card in health is you. But there are pretty much universal deficiencies that we deal with in America, that kind of thing.
So eventually I came up with, what I call my vital five. And the word vital means something there. And so my parameters were that it has to be something that the body requires for optimal function. So it couldn’t be an herb because we don’t ever have to have an herb. It needed to be amino acid, vitamin, mineral, you know, some sort of protein or a fatty acid.
That sort of thing had to be a required element. And then the second thing was, it had to be something that just about every American is probably deficient in. So magnesium is number one on the list is the one I always talk about first, because if someone listening to this show were to shoot me an email and they didn’t tell me their gender, their age, their health status or anything about what’s going on with them, and they just said, Jared, I’m going to take one supplement.
What should it be? It would be magnesium. Now, you might say aloe vera and I might not disagree with that, for a lot of reasons, except that the body doesn’t require aloe vera, which is why it’s not on my vital five. But magnesium, it does require. And
our soil is substantially depleted. The average person 100 years ago in America was getting about 600mg of magnesium.
Now we get less than 250mg of magnesium per day in our diet. And the type and level of stress that we deal with now, I argue, is more intense and more constant than the type and level of stress that they dealt with back then. And there’s something known as the magnesium burn rate, which is how fast we
go through magnesium and stress is the primary reason why we burn through more magnesium.
So I think the need is higher than it’s ever been. And the, supply is lower than it’s ever been. And therefore I always recommend that. And the form I recommend for the majority of people is magnesium bisglycinate. it’s just simply the most bioavailable form. So that’s number one. Number two. And I say number one because it’s the first one I mentioned, but I don’t have them in a particular order other than magnesium is my number one.
After that I consider them all pretty equal depending on the individual. I always recommend a great multivitamin. I always preface multivitamin with great, because most multivitamins on the market are far from great. In fact, in many cases they’re actually, I think, more harmful than they are good. There’s even studies that have been done on products like Centrum and One Day that show that they actually might cause more problems than they actually improve, human nutrition.
One of my favorite podcast episodes I ever did is called Centrum Sucks. And that’s the name of the podcast because it’s true. And, you know, brought to us by our friends at Pfizer. And we all know how great of people they are. But, so a great multivitamin typically has to be found in a health food store.
And yes, I have my bias. I own a health food store, but it really is true. You just don’t find good quality multivitamins in big box stores or pharmacies or things like that. My vitamins called the Ultimate Vitality Multi, and it covers a lot of just the basic gaps that we’re going to find in our diet. And then we have, omega threes.
The vast majority of Americans are eating way too much omega six. Not enough omega three and omega threes harder and harder to come by in a good quality, because the oceans are so polluted. So, wild caught Alaskan salmon is kind of the one last really great resource for omega three in my book, but it’s very expensive.
Not everybody loves seafood anyway. And so supplementing it makes sense for the majority of people. And I recommend about 2000mg of omega three per day, not 2000mg of fish oil. That’s a different thing because
fish oil is not 100% omega three. So you always have to check the back of your label and see how much omega three you’re getting.
And then the next two are the ones that are found and back on track to digestive enzymes and probiotics. Now, both of those are less of a sure thing that you’re deficient in those things, but they’re pretty easy questions to answer to determine if you are. And remember, this is my vital five for adults, not for children. Because children, as a general rule, are never going to need digestive enzymes, or at least rarely are going to need those digestive enzymes.
We’re born with a finite level that we ever can produce. That’s something a lot of people don’t recognize about enzymes. And if you’re anything like I was as a child and you’re eating junk as much as you can possibly get Ahold of it, refined food that has no enzymatic benefit and very little nutritional value. Your body is burning through enzymes at a alarming rate, and essentially it’s like a kid getting access to his trust fund at 25 years old or whatever, and living like a millionaire until the trust funds gone.
The difference is, the body will not allow us for the trust fund of enzymes
to be gone. It just throttles back supply. The older that we get, knowing that we will simply die if we don’t produce digestive or enzyme period will die, so it throttles back production. We end up using having a lot less. Estimates are that by 30 to 35 years old, most Americans are deficient in enzymes, at least to some degree.
So you ask yourself first, am I over 30 years old? If you’re over 30 years old, there’s a pretty good likelihood you need them. And then you ask yourself, how do I feel after meals? Am I sleepy after I eat lunch? Do I get gaseous, bloating? Indigestion? Heartburn? Do I feel heavy after I eat, any of those types of things?
And if you answer yes to any of those things are really good chance you’re deficient in enzymes. But the easiest test is get a bottle of good quality digestive enzymes, take them for a week, and if you don’t feel better, you probably aren’t very deficient and you can continue to carry on the way you were. But I’ll tell you that it’s not that common that I hear people over 30 take that challenge and not say, oh my gosh, I feel a lot better when I have my enzymes with every meal.
And then probiotics. Michael, I’m guessing you’ve talked about this a lot on, you know, the microbiome and things like that with, on your show, but yeah. And I prefer the spore based as well. Awesome. Yeah. We’re on the same page there. I think it’s that’s an interesting thing because, man, I got smacked down a lot for recommending spores 12, 13, 14 years ago when I first learned about them, people were like, what are you talking about?
These aren’t even human, blah, blah, blah. The research, the more the research comes out, the more those of us who believe it’s spores are being proven right. Not that human strain. Probiotics aren’t good. That’s another story for another day. They’re great in their place. I actually have an episode of my show called The Great Debate About Spores versus Human Strain, and I talked about where the two are applicable and why they might sometimes be better than the other, and why they might sometimes be used together.
But yeah, the spore probiotics are there for a variety of reasons. Most of us, not me, because my parents were wise and understanding and knew how to do things differently. Most of us were on antibiotics as a kid, at least some. Many of us were on antibiotics in the first four years of life, which is when the human microbiome is actually fully developed.
Many of us, or C-section kids, which I was one of those, and many of us weren’t breastfed or weren’t breastfed for long, my mom was a little bit of a hippie. I was breastfed for two and a half years, and one of the reasons she told me she did that is because she knew I was a C-section baby, and I needed extra support, and she wanted to provide that for me.
But I was never on an antibiotic until I was 45 years old, for anything. And that was for a surgical procedure. I didn’t have really a choice in that I could figure, and, they wouldn’t let me get out of the antibiotics. So that was the first antibiotic I ever took in my life. But most people have had lots of antibiotics over the years, sometimes dozens.
And if you have and you research what antibiotics due to the microbiome, you’ve got work to do. And that’s where probiotics would come in. And then the other thing is, if you’re living clean and you’ve figured a lot of this stuff out and you haven’t had an antibiotic in 30 years or whatever it is, you probably still have had an antibiotic because 70% of them that are produced in America are fed to animals that are then fed us.
Glyphosate is a human antibiotic. And even if you’re eating mostly organic, you’re getting some glyphosate. If you’re eating semi organic or not organic, you’re getting a lot of glyphosate. So we have to take care of the microbiome. And that’s why probiotics are in that vital five. Yeah, I feel the same way about pretty much everything you said. You know, whether it’s glyphosate, you know, an herbicide, fungicides, pesticides, all of these things are sides and they’re designed to kill you.
And I’ll take it so far to say even preservatives that are put into the food, because when you eat, you’re feeding your own microbiome. And if they can’t eat the food you’re eating because they’re chemically preserved. Yeah, yeah, it’s an up hill battle. The way that food is done in America, for sure. A big uphill battle. And then a lot of people aren’t chewing their food, which adds a whole another layer of problems.
They’re not, you know, some fruits and vegetables are enzymatic rich. And as you chew it, you’re kind of extracting them so that they can work. Aloe vera is very enzymatic rich, you’ve, you know, heard of eating papaya for your digestion? There’s certain foods that can have these in it, but when you take a capsule or something with digestive enzymes in it, you know,
when you feel that your food is up to here.
And for people listening
my hands like up at my throat level when it feels like your food’s up there and it’s not digesting, you can feel a difference. Often in 5 or 10 minutes after taking digestive enzymes for sure. Yeah. they are that fast working. Yeah, 100%. And it’s the one part of my vital five, Michael, that most people can’t guess.
most people say vitamin D. I love vitamin D, but you can get it from the sun
if you’re doing it. What I would consider to be right of quote unquote, allowing your body to get some sun exposure or getting vitamin D on a daily basis. In Florida. Easier said or done than in Utah, for sure.
But, but I also have a vitamin D in my multivitamin, and so that’s why I don’t have it in the vital five. Anyways, those two reasons. But did you know this is something scientifically that’s been 100% proven? I don’t know if you’ve seen this. There’s not a study on it, but it’s still proven. The only place in the human body that has teeth is your mouth.
Did you know that? And the reason I say that is did you know also, this is also something I don’t know if this has been proven by science or not, but every mother that’s ever graced the earth, I think at one point has told their children to slow down and chew their food. I think it’s inherently given them by God that they’re supposed to say that and teach their children that.
Now, most kids don’t listen, but, that is a huge part of the digestive process. It is the one place we have teeth. That is one place we can truly macerate the food and break it down to, to, you know, physically to its smaller components, which makes such a huge difference in what has to happen in the stomach, what has to happen in the duodenum, and so on.
And another thing that I learned, and this one’s not in jest, is actually very much true, is, you know, we talk about meditation and most people
say they don’t know how to meditate or they have a hard time meditating. I am 100% one of those people. My mind is constantly moving. Trying to slow that thing down is like stopping a speeding train.
But how do we meditate? We count our breath, generally speaking. Right. And
we count our breath. We focus on a thing that we can focus on intently to try and clear the brain of all the things that are racing around in there. Imagine if we were to all count every bite of our food, every chew, and put ourselves into a semi meditative state while we’re eating, which then puts us into a rest and digest mode where all the digestive juices are flowing and instead of a fight or flight mode.
Because we’re scrolling our phone and having a conversation and worrying about getting back to work and rushing through the drive through and putting ourselves in fight or flight where our digestive juices are barely flowing at all. That’s a huge cause of all of the IBS and acid reflux in this country as people just not slowing down when they eat.
Well, yeah, I like the way you put that. I want to answer something that you didn’t ask, but you, made a suggestion that my number one
in my top five may have been aloe vera. Yeah. I’m curious, I’m going to shock some of the listeners here that’s not that wouldn’t have been my number one. But my number one may be a little different than yours.
My number one probably would have been a powdered fruit and vegetable supplement, which may or may not have probiotics and digestive enzymes in it. What’s your take on that? My take is if you can get a good quality one, there’s a lot of that stuff on the market now because
it’s kind of hot. But if you’re getting one that’s, you know, good, slow, cold, processed, freeze dried, you know, that sort of thing, loads of nutrition in that if it’s organic, that’s critical, I think because most of the fruits and vegetables, unfortunately are sprayed with the cides.
And, we don’t want death with our life. And so if we can avoid that, we’re going to do better. But I’m all about that. That really? Because I get this question a lot. I say a great multivitamin. I think that can constitute in and of itself a great multivitamin. So it actually fits into my vital five two.
It’s kind of which way do you want to do it? My multi has a whole food concentrate in it along with vitamins and minerals. But a really good,
greens and, and berries type supplement, that kind of thing. Or
fruits and vegetables makes all kinds of sense. Yeah, yeah. Good.
Glad to hear. And I notice that you have some options on your website. We do. Yeah. We’ve got some that we really like. So anything that I should have asked you that I’m, you know, completely missing out on, besides the fact I want you to tell people where they should go to get more and to subscribe to your content.
Yeah, well, you asked me right at the top. Something about vaccination. And, so I’ll answer that. I wasn’t avoiding the question. So the, the interesting thing about this answer is, well, the answer is no. I’ve never been vaccinated. My parents didn’t vaccinate me. So I’m a 53 year old, somewhat of a unicorn. There aren’t a lot of us out there, that never were vaccinated.
In fact, my oldest, sibling is eight years older than me, and he also hasn’t been,
it’s interesting because if you go back another 10 or 15 years, you’re gonna fight tons of people who haven’t been vaccinated because vaccines were barely a thing then. Right? But from about the time my parents started having kids forward, it was standard practice and most people were doing it.
There wasn’t a lot of research out there at the time talking about this stuff, or at least it wasn’t easily accessed.
I still think my favorite health book. And for people who haven’t read this book, and that’s going to be almost everybody that’s in your listening audience, I think it’s out of print as far as I know.
Doctor Robert Mendelsohn, I almost gave the wrong name. It’s called, How to Raise a Healthy Child in spite of your doctor. And, he talks about all the different medical things that are done to children in pediatric offices that he thinks are absolutely backwards. And, my dad was a big fan of that guy.
And, his two books that I’ve read, I think he may have a third or fourth book, but it’s two books that I’ve read, or confessions of a medical heretic and How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor and their brilliant pieces of work that were written before I was born that I think everybody should read, especially if you’re a parent or grandparent.
But, no, I wasn’t. I never understood why I wasn’t, my parents frankly didn’t articulate it that well, other than to tell me that my immune system was designed by God and it works just fine if given the proper inputs and all that sort of thing. They didn’t really talk too much about why they didn’t believe in vaccination beyond that.
So when I went to have my own children, my oldest is 28 now,
I
decided I better understand the pros and cons and the whys and why nots of this topic, rather than just taking my parents word for it, because I think on both sides of it, it could be looked at as almost a religious belief or a dogma, and particularly on the medical side, people are so religious about it that,
the very thought of not doing it is, you know, heretical, kind of like,
my doctor buddy that wrote those amazing books.
So I dug in, thankfully, I had a lot more access at that point.
And frankly, once I started researching, it was painfully obvious what the answer was going to be.
and
I’ll give you a couple of results that I think might be useful. I never was on an antibiotic until I was 45 years old.
I have four children, aged 28 to almost 13, and none of them have ever been on an antibiotic, and none of them have ever had an ear infection. None of them have ever had asthma or chronic sinus issues or, I think strep throats come around 2 or 3 times ever. This is the evidence on the side of let your body do what your body’s designed to do is so overpowering that if you’re willing to break dogma and actually just look into the evidence rather than saying throwing out the term anti-vaxxer like it’s some conspiracy theory, then it’s hard to not find the truth.
But it’s easy to ignore it if you’re not looking for it. And it’s certainly censored and all that kind of stuff. So, my stance on that is very, very simple. I think vaccines are a mistake. I don’t think they’re done correctly. People say guys like RFK Jr say I’m for safe vaccines. I don’t know if he actually believes that or if that’s what he says, to try and be look like less of an anti-vaxxer or whatever it is.
I’m not convinced there will ever be a safe vaccine. And so that’s my take on it. Yeah, I, I did a little research on some of the shots that they wanted to give the kids. My kids, I have four kids. They were all born in the living room, and none of them have ever had a vaccine. And by golly, they’re still alive.
I actually tested the theory on a dog first, though. I got a dog, didn’t get it any shots? And the craziest thing happened. It lived. It’s shocking. But, you know, a little, you know, increasing my faith. Okay. And as I opened up the Merck manual, all the doctors, you know, use the Merck manual to get stats on different illnesses and how to treat them.
And I would look up, you know,
how many people die from certain diseases. And as I’m looking up these things like, you know, polio and things that have a mortality of like 1% where 1% die. And then such a percentage have lifelong complications and they’re very low numbers. It’s kind of like.
You mean I only have to be in like the top 95% and I’m. I’ll be okay. Right. Yeah. Top 99% in most cases. Top 99.99% in most cases. Actually. Yeah. I think I’ll be okay without my chickenpox vaccine. And then, you know, when I was growing up. Right, measles or the big, you know, scare, I guess right now they’re talking about, there’s these cases breaking out.
I’m here in Utah, and I’ve seen 3 or 4 headlines. You know, the fifth measles cases showed up and all this kind of stuff. And it’s, you know, there’s a lot of fear mongering and all this stuff for sure. But when you look at measles and you look at the advantages of having the measles as a child, surviving the measles, which 99.9% of children always do.
And what that does for your risk of cancer and a variety of other things down the road, not getting measles is worse for you than getting measles. When you look at your overall health picture, but people don’t ever look at it that way. The measles should never be called a disease. It’s not a disease. It’s a childhood illness that is, by design, I believe, meant for us to go through as one of the ways to build our immune system for bigger and badder challenges down the road.
Chicken pox, falls into the same category for me. Although measles
is kind of uniquely its own thing and really interesting when you dig into it. But, there are real advantages to getting these things as children. I sit here, you know, I talked about anecdotal evidence. Maybe this is a great way to wrap up the show because I think we’re over at the time that you maybe wanted to go.
But I sit here, in a environment where people come to me looking for health.
You know, health improvement. Same as you. Right? They’re coming in and they’re saying, this is what’s wrong. What can I do naturally to try and help my body, you know, do its thing. And you know what? I never used to hear, Michael.
I almost never used to hear shingles, like, ever, until this shot came around called the chickenpox shot. And, now I see shingles all the time. And then what was interesting is I would see shingles. I’d have somebody come in for shingles 3 or 4 times a month. And then Covid
came along. And then in 2021, these, so-called vaccines for Covid
came along.
And now I hear about shingles almost daily. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. Now, it is anecdotal evidence for sure. I think there’s probably somebody out there maybe tracking some of these trends. Like you said, maybe the Merck Manual show that shingles is way worse now than it used to be, but they probably will never trace it back to root cause.
I’m convinced that
you’re inhibiting the body’s ability to get the disease, as a younger person. And,
just basically reserving it for yourself as an older person.
I’ve never had shingles, but I did have chickenpox. And I’ll take chickenpox a thousand times a day over shingles. I mean, my gosh, the people that I see and talk to, they have shingles.
Chickenpox is a picnic. Yeah, yeah, I had it when I was 32. And, the horrible thing about it was I missed Easter service. Oh, well, there you go. I remember it specifically because that was important to me. It’s like, no, I guess I’m gonna have to
sit it out this year. Yeah, well,
there’s always next year.
Right? Well, I enjoyed the conversation. Give some, selfless plugs for your podcast and your website for sure. Podcast
Vitality Radio podcast. I do two shows a week. I’ve been doing the show because it was radio for 17 years now. So, there aren’t very many topics I haven’t tackled, but there I, I keep finding ones like, what do I do if I get cancer?
That I haven’t done before. So working on, you know, more shows like that, if you are curious,
about, vaccines or hesitant but not sure where you’re at on it, I have many good shows that really go through that. I would highly recommend the shows I do with Doctor Paul Thomas, who’s a pediatrician who figured this out based on looking at his,
10,000 patients that he had over the years, many of which were vaccinated, many of which were not,
that show is fascinating, and his research is completely unique.
It’s one of the very few,
really good.
Solid, wide scale, studies done on vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children. Very fascinating stuff. And then my website is vitalitynutrition.com. You can open up a chat there if you ever want to talk to one of us and ask your questions about supplements or things like that.
My son, who’s been working with me now for 11 years and has a wealth of knowledge, answers most of those. And when he doesn’t, it’s me. And we’re old school. We’re still a little family business in Bountiful, Utah. If you have got questions and you want to talk to a human being about them on the phone, you just call us at (801)292-6662.
We’d love to take your call. That’s awesome. Hey, Jared. And I hope your, son is
Listening to his parents? More than I did, but not as much as I’d like him to. That’s great. Well, Jared, thank you for joining me today. The content was great, and I know it’s going to be, eaten up
by my audience, so.
Thank you. Well, thank you. I really appreciate the opportunity. Anytime I can sit behind a mic and talk about what I’m passionate about is a blessing. So thank you.
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