In this episode of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Haley chats with Tom Paladino, a researcher and humanitarian seeking to make a difference in the world by providing people with the education and tools to restore optimal health, and by helping enhance their quality of life through Scalar Light Energy.
Join Dr. Haley and Tom for this fascinating and challenging discussion.
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About This Episode
Tom describes beginning his research into scalar energy during his undergraduate years, inspired by Nikola Tesla and the work of Hieronymus. He credits Hieronymus with work that he says involved unbinding the RNA / DNA bonds of agricultural microbes to render them harmless.
The conversation explores Tom’s understanding of scalar energy, the names he associates with it—including qi, prana, and zero-point energy—and how he distinguishes it from electricity. Dr. Haley asks about research instruments, measurement, photographs, prayer, and the practical applications Tom proposes.
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Quick Takeaway
Tom Paladino presents scalar energy as a non-physical source of information and describes using instruments and photographs in his Scalar Light work. Dr. Haley explores the idea through questions about electricity, faith, measurement, consent, and reported experiences. The proposed mechanisms and health outcomes discussed are Tom’s claims and interpretations; the interview does not establish them as proven medical treatments.
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Episode Timestamps
- 00:02 — Introducing Tom Paladino and scalar energy
- 01:25 — Why Tom became interested in scalar energy
- 02:17 — Stars, electromagnetic energy, and Tom’s interpretation
- 03:15 — Faith, divine intelligence, and scalar energy
- 05:42 — Research methods and instruments
- 07:04 — Nikola Tesla and electricity
- 08:27 — Comparing scalar energy with PEMF
- 09:43 — Measurement and evidence questions
- 12:03 — Proposed practical applications
- 14:41 — Photographs and real-time representation
- 15:57 — Prayer, intention, and remote applications
- 20:06 — Consent and photographs of children and pets
- 20:57 — Testimonials and Tom’s account of an HIV clinic
- 22:43 — Challenges in introducing the technology
- 23:29 — Cost and the free sessions described in the interview
- 24:13 — A look at Tom’s instrument
- 26:58 — Further questions about non-physical science
- 30:12 — Website, trial details, and closing remarks
What You Will Learn In This Show
- How Tom defines scalar energy and why he believes people use it without realizing it.
- The names Tom associates with scalar energy in other cultures, such as qi, prana, and zero-point energy.
- The distinctions Tom draws between scalar energy and electricity.
- How Tom describes his instruments, photograph-based sessions, and goals for his work.
Scalar Energy, Electricity, and the Stars
Tom describes scalar energy as the initial energy of the universe and distinguishes it from electromagnetic energy. He connects this interpretation with stars, DNA, and the work he attributes to Tesla. Dr. Haley asks whether it can be measured and what evidence Tom offers for its existence.
Tom states: “The initial energy of the stars is scalar energy. If you go to the very center of any star its 100% scalar energy. And there from scalar energy will degrade into electromagnetic energy. But what powers the stars is scalar energy. It’s not a thermonuclear reaction. Scalar energy is the powerhouse of all stars.” This quotation reflects Tom’s explanation in the episode.
Photographs, Prayer, and Consent
Tom explains that he places photographs inside an instrument and believes this lets him work with a person’s energy field remotely. Dr. Haley asks whether photographs must meet particular specifications or be recent, then compares the idea with praying for someone from a distance.
When Dr. Haley asks about providing sessions without someone’s knowledge, Tom says he wants adults to make an informed decision to participate. He also describes parents submitting photographs of their children and people submitting photographs of their pets.
Reported Experiences and Proposed Health Applications
Tom discusses proposed applications involving nutrients, microbes, and toxins, and recounts reports he says he received from people at an HIV clinic in Tanzania. He distinguishes their testimonials from what he says he can demonstrate in his laboratory and acknowledges that there was no scientific protocol for the Tanzania account. These are reported experiences and guest claims, rather than clinical findings established by this interview.
The Scalar Light Instrument and Services
During the interview, Tom shows an instrument and describes a vacuum tube, an oscillator, and coils. He explains his interpretation of how these components work and discusses his goal of making sessions widely accessible. He also describes a 15-day free trial available through his website at the time of recording.
Medical Disclaimer
This podcast and article are provided for educational and informational purposes only and do not constitute medical advice. The experiences and opinions discussed are those of the speakers and should not replace diagnosis or treatment from a qualified healthcare professional. Do not begin, discontinue, or change any medication, supplement, diet, or treatment based solely on this episode.
Full Transcript
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– Thank you for tuning in to the Dr. Haley Show. I’m Dr. Michael Haley, your show host, and today I have Tom Paladino on my show, Tom Researches, and is an expert in scalar energy. I don’t know even enough about the topic to introduce it. I’ve heard bits and pieces over the years and probably out of fear or skepticism. I avoided digging in and today I’m facing those fears and inviting you to join me in facing your fears. I don’t wanna piss out on, possibly one of the greatest technologies available to mankind. I reserve the right to dismiss it or bury my head in the sand. I really know very little bit about it, which is why I’m so excited to have Tom on my show. Thank you Tom for sharing your expertise with us.
Thank you, Doctor, and I will give you this nod of appreciation. Thanks for the time and you are a scalar energy expert. And I’ll prove that in the next 30 minutes.
You know, it’s funny because as you say that, I was thinking about how should I open this up because I suppose possibly we all use scalar energy to some extent without even knowing it because we don’t know what it is, but maybe we, I don’t know, you tell me, but before you do, why did scalar energy become so important to you?
I see the great prospect. Energy’s fundamental energy controls nature. Energy is king of nature. And I believe that scalar energy is the primary energy, the primary source of light in the universe. And that’s true. And it’s responsible for the instructions are all action in the universe. It’s the engine of the universe. It’s from the sun in the stars. So with that in mind, I wanted to work with the first principle, the first cause of nature’s scale in the universe.
All right, and I find that interesting, but when you say like the sun in the stars, I think of the fact that, you know, they have this powerful white, which is electromagnetic energy. It’s on the electromagnetic spectrum, but that’s not what you’re talking about.
The initial energy of the stars is skater. And if you go to the very center of any star, it’s 100% skater energy. And they’re from scale energy will degrade into electromagnetic energy. But what powers the stars is skater energy. It’s not a thermonuclear reaction. Skater energy is the powerhouse of all stores.
And just so I understand, we’re not talking about like atomic from a molecular level of electrons, and we’re not talking about that either.
We’re not, we’re not, we’re not, we’re not skater. G’s non-physical, there’s a non-physical subtle essence. And it initiates all action.
OK. You know, from, well, in my upbringing and my learning over the years, I understand that there is a, like a universal intelligence. I’ve heard it referred to a God energy and all knowing for many of us that is God. And it’s an, an omnipotent, an omniscient, and you’re, you’re not in your head. Yes, as, as Christians or, or Jews, or those that hold our religions deep and close to our hearts. And should we be afraid of studying scalar energy? Is it going to take away from what we currently believe to be true?
No, no, if, if you look at the sun in the stars, you have to give reason to that. Why do we have stars? No stars never burn out our experience, entropy, it’s scalar energy. And you’re right, it is the God force. And whatever religion, whatever, creates you follow, I think it would be prudent to look at this in a fundamental setting and say, “What gives power to the universe?” They’re instructions. It’s the divine intelligence. Can’t have actions about intelligence. I believe that intelligence is scalar energy. I believe it’s the initial energy of the universe. It’s known as “cheap” on a zero point energy. Some people call it the God force or the matrix. It’s not electricity. It’s far more subtle than what it was.
Okay, and you know, in my Christian upbringing, I read in the book of Genesis that God created the moon, the stars, the sun, the earth, and all that is within it. And if he created these things, did he create scalar energy and then, and if so, is scalar energy lesser or lower than God?
I would say scalar energy is an attribute of God, it’s, it’s his divine light. And I believe if you look at Genesis when God said, “Be like me,” it was scalar light that he was referring to. And that that action preceded creation. In other words, light instructions was first, and that had to precede the physical manifestation of the universe. So, be light made is quite quite significant because that was the first action.
Okay, so how do you research scalar energy and who invented the instruments that you use?
Yeah, it’s how do you research this? It’s really by a way of prayer and then scientific inquiry. There’s no college textbook. This is groundbreaking, you have to make that very clear to the audience. It’s never been done before with the exception of Nicola Tesla, a man by me with Gail and Hironomus, and a few scalar energy researchers.
Now, why do I say that? Why is this such a narrow field? Well, they really understand this energy. You have to invent instruments. You can theorize all day long. But once you have an instrument, then you can control the energy, then you can start building the science. It’s no longer a theory. It’s practical. So Tesla Hironomus, and a few other scientists, develop scale arrangements. I work with a brilliant engineer. In the century, we copied Nikola Tesla and Galen Hironomus. They were the founding fathers of this science.
And with that, it’s again, it’s a very narrow focus, because so few people have taken up this discipline. It’s very real. The robot eventually grasp the fact that there’s two energy, scale or energy, is the supreme energy, if you will.
Okay. You know, because you brought up Tesla, I want to talk a little bit more about Nikola Tesla, not to confuse anybody over the car that people are familiar with, just Tesla. This is definitely, that’s using electric power to move automobile. That’s not what we’re talking about, right?
Exactly. Thank you. That’s a good coffee. Yes.
Okay. And, and Tesla automobiles are not using Nikola Tesla’s technology, correct?
That’s correct. The Tesla cars today are using a powered by electricity, which is great. Tesla was the founding father of AC electricity. That’s what he’s known for. But later in his life, he was really the founding father, also Skater Energy. He was developing cars that would run on Skater Energy. Model electricity. He was developing towers that would broadcast the Skater Energy, the star power.
So, this is what many people don’t quite grasp his intellectual prominence. Today, we still can keep up to the guy. He was the first man to develop the Skater Energy instrument. And we just, we don’t understand what he was doing. Well, I do. He was on to the next chapter of technology, which is Skater Technology.
Okay. Now, and this is different than also say PEMF. People are using PEMF for treating health conditions.
You know, I’m all for any modality that’s safe and effective. I have to make this very clear, there’s two energies. And Skater Energy is quite different than that of electricity. It’s not of the electromagnetic spectrum. It actually does not have a frequency because it’s all encompassing. It conveys the universe. You don’t need a frequency to deliver the signal.
So, Skater Energy would test a called Radiology. He realized that this was from the Sun. And that’s what he was capturing. Sun energy or star energy. If you look at his invention, later in his life, there was no armature or turbine. There was no motion. He was simply capturing star energy. He did away with engines. There’s no engine in Skater Energy. There’s only a capacitor to capture the energy of the universe. So, the engine are the stars. That’s your engine. That’s your armature. That’s your piston. That’s your, if you will, wheelhouse, so to speak.
Okay. And I’ve got a lot of great questions coming up around the practicality of using scalar energy. But just to understand that a little bit more, can we measure scalar energy?
No. Why? It’s infinite. You can measure a mile at a kilometer. You can measure a gallon of pipe. You cannot measure God. It’s infinite. So, there’s never going to be a basic unit for scalar energy. It pervades the universe. So, how could you measure the infinite universe? You can’t measure infinite.
You can only ascertain its effect or look at the cause and effect relationship or see its changes, if you will, you can vary the energy. It is mutable, but you cannot measure the infinite.
Okay, and what is some of the evidence for its existence?
There’s so many. If you look at our DNA, it is a double helix. It has a major groove in a minor, and then if you were to look at the major and minor groove of a scalary, it’s a double helix likewise. It’s identical. So, I’ve always contended that the scalar way to double helix creates our DNA. So, the intelligence behind our DNA is a constant scalar way. So, if that’s true, then all genomic forms receive instructions from scalar energy, which is this double helix, this divine proportion.
Okay, and so how might we be using this energy without even knowing it then?
Every second of our lives, scalar energy sleds the universe. Again, it’s from the Sun and the Stars. And there are many, there are many people who are now starting to realize that what you cannot describe by way of electromagnetic. You can describe by way of scalar theory. For instance, quasars. The quasars do not necessarily represent an electromagnetic dimension. Their behavior is really outside of electromagnetic theory. Why? Because the quasars are being governed are receiving power from scalar energy. So if you really want to understand the universe, there’s two explanations because there’s two energies.
All right. Let’s talk a little bit more about the practical use then. How are you using it in your life, personally, and how have you benefited from your expertise? You’re now with your understanding of scalar energies.
So I have scalar energy instruments that what capture sun and star energy. So the energy that I’m capturing, it’s always existed. It’s not as if I have to create this energy. I simply tap into it. And I discovered that scalar energy as the instructions of the universe is responsible for a molecular form so then I can create a molecule or break apart a molecule. If I wanted to create a molecule such as a vitamin or mineral, I can do that with my instrument. Or in a reverse, I can take the molecular structure of a virus, or toxin, and break it apart, transmitted. So my instrument affords me a constant control over molecular forms.
And with that, my statement is scalar energy will allow us to create the physical environment that we want. In assembling molecules, nutrients, maybe even cells. I don’t know.
How do we how do we use that, practically? And you must have, you must need the materials to assemble something. You can’t just assemble something without having the materials for it. How does it work?
I’m going to explain this. I work with email photographs of people. Now, remember, this is not electricity. It doesn’t behave like an electromagnetic. People will email me a photograph and I actually place a photograph inside an instrument. This is my photograph. And it’s so doing I capture their quantum field or their energy field. So I’m working with instructions now. Those instructions are non-physical and I can project energy into the persons or or their quantum field. I do everything by way of photographs.
So with this new science, it’s non-physical. It’s entirely non-physical. So I’m sending information instructions from my instrument to the quantum field of a person by way of their photograph.
Okay. The photograph works like a self, obviously, I’m not inside a self. I’m having a conversation. Some of my signal is sent by a self. And my signal is sent if you will, by the instrument, working through the photograph.
Okay. And what are the specs for the photograph? I just got a, I updated my passport and I needed certain specifications.
Any photographs, any photograph will work because it captures your, your, if you will, your, your soul, your manifestation that captures your aura. And that’s what I discovered with scalar energy. It’s, a photograph is your energetic being. It’s alive with scalar energy.
Okay. Um, I’m starting to understand something about that concept then in the sense of, um, if that’s the case, I guess it doesn’t really matter much about the photo at all, um, if it was, um, for instance, if I sent you one that was taking last year, but I wanted you to work on something that’s more current in my life this year, doesn’t matter.
The photograph always represents the person in the real time, the present moment. So people sometimes have every foot across that or 10 years old. It’s still, that photograph is a direct real-time report card of you now in present room.
Okay, that’s pretty cool. Um, and I would suspect, I’m thinking out loud here. It would be similar, um, where if I pray for somebody, I don’t necessarily know what they look like right now.
Yes.
But I’m thinking of that person in prayer and that represents everyone that they are right now.
Brilliant. Brilliant. You see, you’re a skill energy expert. Skill energy is prayer. It’s non-physical. It’s intention. It’s God for a synergy. So when I’m using this God for synergy, it’s a prayer. It’s non-physical. It transcends time and space. It offers instructions or grace, whether I’m working by way of a photograph for person with an instrument or a bilateral prayer for a person. They’re identical operations.
Very interesting. Then I’m guessing in theory, we could treat help anyone, everyone, regardless of condition, disease, process, mental state, whether they’re struggling with fighting a virus, fighting a cancer, obesity, substance abuse.
Yes, that’s where we’re going. So I’m holding up a collage of people. I can easily treat by one piece of paper, 20, 30, 40 people. In my laboratory today, I’m working with over 250,000 people around the world with their photographs. So my goal is to heal the world by way of a photograph.
You know, I’m kind of smiling right now because it’s almost like, you know, if we were to look for a way to, in business, we’re always looking for ways to scale our business and do more with either, you know, the same or with, you know, well, ideally we’d be able to do more business without having to double the business, without having to double the operation. It almost seems as if scalar energy is a tool to scale our prayers.
Yes, it is. This instrument will serve somebody to work with treat call, which will a billion people year. So we’re multiplying God’s efforts, so to speak. So what’s people realized just how powerful and how versatile this energy is? That’s one of my goals to work with everybody in the world to treat at least a billion people a year. That’s the skillet.
And when you scale with prayer, as you well know, Dr. there’s no impediment. You’re outside of time and space. There are no constraints. There is no physical impediment. Remember, this is the non-physical realm. We super see any constraint.
Yeah, now when we pray, sometimes our prayers are answered as according to our prayer, and sometimes they are not what might we expect with scalar energy?
I can direct this instrument before a certain function. I can guarantee that I can say destroy a micro-be germ. I can guarantee that I can create a micronutrient. But that’s, you know, my ability is still limited.
Now, likewise with prayer, some prayers are answered exactly as we want in some are not. Well, why I don’t know why God makes that decision. But I’ll speak for myself. I think there’s millions of applications, Frank, from this care energy. But I’m one researcher and I’m limited in knowledge. So, I, I’m not going to discover.
Okay, um, theoretically, um, I’m thinking about this, you know, just like we can pray for other, uh, for people with certain, uh, addictions or, you know, obesity or illnesses. Um, I’m thinking theoretically, someone could be treated without, uh, treated with scalar energy without knowing about it. Could, it could this be a service that we could actually gift without somebody knowing.
I want all adults to make a decision to say, yes, I agree to this. Now parents will frequently send me photographs of their children because they are the Guardian, their children or many times, uh, people will send me photographs of their pets. But, if you’re a Vage, uh, I’d like you to at least be educated as to what we’re going.
Okay, and that makes sense, um, that people would be in on it. Interesting. Okay.
Um, I’d like to know a little bit about some of the success stories. You know, it’s funny in healthcare. We don’t sell testimonials. We don’t use them often. Uh, but for the sake of understanding this, what are some of the unusual things you have seen that may have even surprised you are possibly nothing surprises you at this point in time?
Um, recently about two months ago, I received bird from Tanzania. I’ve been working with an HIV clinic in Tanzania for a few years. And the pandemic, more or less interrupted our communication and it confused everything. But just two months ago, the people that I’ve worked with at this HIV clinic, and the tested and all of them are HIV negative now. Now, one of them has HIV. Now, they’ve not changed their region and whatsoever. And many of them are tribiting this to be the cure for HIV. And that’s their words, not mine. And I have to agree with their testimony, because it’s their body. It’s their first-hand experience.
So what’s my point? I cannot prove that this works for people. Only people can prove that this works for them. And people are allowed to make their first-hand testimony. They’re, they’re experienced by way of some type of testimony. It’s, it’s their right for free expression.
I, I, as a scientist can only prove what happens in my laboratory. I can prove that I can destroy the HIV virus in my laboratory with a photograph. But I have that rely upon people to give their testimony. And everybody that I’ve worked with in Tanzania is telling me that they no longer have HIV. So that’s that is noteworthy. That’s the beginning body of evidence. Yeah.
But I have to make this very clear. There is no scientific protocol for what I’m going to take for the people in Tanzania. They felt, they felt quite, they said they felt an improvement after two months. That they saw significant shift in their health.
That’s pretty amazing. All right, Tom, tell me about some of your frustrations in sharing this knowledge and this technology with the world.
Yeah, and I’m not throwing rocks at anybody. So don’t don’t personalize this. It takes time for people to understand this. And I believe this has great benefit to mankind. It tests the laboriously trying to introduce this to the world. My predecessor, Hiron, so now I’m trying likewise to introduce this to the world. It’s esoteric. It’s different. And it takes time for people to understand this. That’s the frustration that I have. I’m ready to go. But the world is not yet embraced this.
Is scalar treatment is it expensive?
No. No. Well, I have a website in which anybody in the world can visit the website. We offer 15 days of free sessions to everybody in the world. My goal is to ultimately treat everybody in the world. People are poor. Let’s just be candid about that. Not everybody has money. So most of the people 99% of the people in the world, I’m going to treat for free.
And that’s awesome. And just so we know, this isn’t like taking a photograph and putting it in a wooden box with a padlock on it. Right? Um, do you have some technology that you use? Can you show us through us?
Yeah. I’ll show the audience one of the instruments that I, um, there’s one of the instruments that I work with. That’s a scalar-like instrument. Um, I’m going to look at the top, uh, right hand corner. That’s a vacuum tube that that more or less will control the scalar way and create the scalar way. If you need a 3D dimension, you can do this with a, with a transistor solid state. So with that in mind, that vacuum tube on the top right. That, that serves to create the double helix.
Passing it through the oscillator, allowing it to oscillate properly in the very middle. That’s an oscillator. And then to the very left, you see two Tessa coils, two towers, we, we broadcast the energy then by way of those Tessa coils. That’s one of the instrument that is a scalar energy instrument that’s not controlling electricity. And that creates, if you will, an environment for scalar energy. That is this instrument that will, is really a miniature star or will create another dimension. That will create, well, some people call zero point energy or scalar energy or cheer upon them.
And then, so doing that instrument, then allows us access to a different physics. That instrument allows us to access a dimension of non-physical reality, of information, of divine intelligence. And it’s so doing, within that scalar energy dimension, we can do so much more for unencumber, as compared to an electromagnetic environment. So, that is a scalar energy instrument, it gives us access to a scalar energy dimension. And then, so doing, it’s a different physics. It’s not electricity.
Is this something that you designed or didn’t call a Tesla leaf schematics or…
I’m designed this for the Brian engineer. And it is in many ways, we’ve copied Tesla. Now, he laid the foundation. So, I’ve read his notes. I understand some of what he’s doing. Nobody understands Tesla except God. And Tesla made this very clear. He was working with the wheelhouse of the universe. And he knew that this was kinetic energy from the stars. So, the stars produce the kinetic energy, not a motor, not an engine.
Well, I find this fascinating and something I definitely want to know more about. I’m still probably at that place where I don’t know enough to even ask the right questions. What am I not asking you that I should be asking you? Or what are we leaving now? That people need to know about?
You know, I’m not being quiet with you. You’re an expert. Everybody’s an expert at this. We just don’t realize that there’s two energies. You know, the fact that you realize that this is informational and structural, that it’s non-physical, shows that you’ve at least considered this a theorized about this in your life.
You know, if you look at once again our DNA, why do we have DNA? And what gives it order instruction? There’s so many base pairs in DNA. It’s such a complex molecule. And what maintains it, it has to be some intelligent, some divine intelligence. And if you look at all genomic forms, they’re created by scalar energy. It’s not electromagnetic. Electricity of magnetism experiences entropy. If RDMA or any DNA was comprised, was created and maintained by electricity magnetism, it would be reduced to nothing in a short period of time.
What gives us this life-sustaining ability? It’s scalar energy. scalar energy is the wheelhouse of the universe. It’s the initial energy of the universe. And once we realize that, we’re going to make such great advances. You test us said that frequently. Once scientists realize that there’s a non-physical dimension and that they start working with non-physical science, who make great strides.
No, because it’s the cause. Whereas I have nothing against chemistry, I have nothing against geology. That’s the effect. That’s do end product. That’s the physical effect. It’s not the non-physical cause.
Yeah, I agree with you. And I understand, and like know that, we have a de-sensitized ourselves to, you know, scalar energy, to God, power, and life, and energy. You know, right here, I have a cell phone that I’ve come to rely on. And, you know, it tells me, well, it doesn’t tell me. I don’t really use it as much as most people, but for a lot of people, it tells them when to wake up and when to go to bed and when to do this and when to do that. And we have become so programmed that we’re no longer paying attention to life around us, you know? I know we were. He sensitized ourselves in so many ways.
And then there’s other people that are in a constant communication with their creator, with their with their God. And the information is definitely two way in certain people’s lives. And you can tell because they make better decisions, you know? So I get it and I do understand that there’s so much more than what we’re experiencing in life and using to our advantage.
So it’s a rather short podcast for me and probably because I just don’t know what else I should be asking but where can we go to find out more information about you about your services?
Scalor-like.com. S-C-A-L-A-R. Scanner-like.com is our website. Please look at at least consider the 15-day free trial. If you agree, all we need you to do is email us a photograph of your face, your bus shot, just just your head. And with that, include your family members and pets. And then for 15 days, we will balance your shop as your brain days. We’ll create nutrients, and we will disassemble microbes and toxins, waste products. After 15 days of those three sessions of the performed on a daily basis, you will see a shift in the greater majority of people see a shift in improvement in their health.
Now, keep in mind, this is non-physical. We work through your photograph. This is the new quantum error. We’re not working with your electromagnetic bond. We’re working with your scalar bond, which is a different dimension.
All right. You know, one of the things that I like to ask people is to give a word of hope too, and it sounds like you just did. So, I don’t need to ask you for that. You’re awesome, Tom. I really appreciate you. I appreciate your passion for this, and all the effort, and really treading the path that is probably difficult in the sense that it’s not appreciated yet. So, I appreciate you. Thank you, and thank you for being on my show.
You’re a gentleman. I’m a scholar. Thank you.

