PJ started personal training in 1987 and grew his business successfully for the following 11 years, training clients out of their homes and local area gyms. With these clients’ help as test subjects, and armed with his degree in Exercise Science, PJ invented his “multi-protocol” concept and refined it through 1998 when he founded the X Gym. He is also the author of the book “Cracking Your Calorie Code” and the inventor of his Brain Type Test, which helps people achieve health and fitness results much faster through specific brain wiring techniques tailored to their unique brain type.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro Snip
00:51 Introduce PJ Glassey
03:11 How PJ Glassey has developed new techniques
05:14 What is XGym?
06:35 What are the different kinds of exercise and how much time per week should I dedicate to each?
09:27 Who is the XGym geared toward?
10:12 How does XGym incorporate flexibiliy training?
13:10 How do we measure results at XGym?
21:00 What are the different brain types and how do you use that information to customize a training program?
23:45 What is an example of someone that got lasting results by rewiring their brain?
26:00 What is the conscious eating technique?
29:37 What diet plan does PJ Glassey follow?
31:17 What is your favorite protein source?
32:38 What is the legal definition of grass fed?
33:10 What is Dr. Haley’s favorite protein bar?
34:37 Creatine, Yes or NO? What is a good source?
35:14 Hormone optimization, yes or no?
37:28 What other biohacks does PJ Glassey use?
38:20 What is the best biohack?
42:21 How did PJ break his collar bone and how did he speed heal it?
44:26 How do our bodies heal?
48:00 How is pain your friend?
51:30 Where do people go to find out more?
52:15 What is the biblical attitude that can help us achieve?
TRANSCRIPT
The brain is the key for goals, whether they’re physical or whether they’re, you know, financial or whatever it is.
it’s believing that you can do it.
It’s having confidence in it, and it’s visualizing and imagining that it’s already happened.
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This is the Dr. Haley Show podcast And I’m Dr. Michael Haley, show host. I got an interesting guest today, PJ Glassey who started his personal training in 1987 and grew his business successfully for the following 11 years, training clients out of their homes and local area gyms. With these clients help as test subjects and armed with his degree in exercise science, PJ invented his multi protocol concept and refined it through 1998 when he founded the X gym, which I believe is at xgym.com
fact, check me on that. He’s also author of the book Cracking Your Calorie Code and Inventor of his brain type test, which helps people achieve health and fitness results much faster through specific brain wiring techniques tailored to their unique brain type. PJ, welcome to the Dr. Haley Show, and thank you for joining me. I think we’re going to have a fascinating discussion.
I’m excited. Me too. It’s going to be really fun. And I’ve said before, that’s an overused word in podcasts. I’m excited, but sometimes I really am. One thing that’s cool to you in this space, I like to learn from people that don’t just have a lot of knowledge, but you’ve applied it to your own life. One thing I came across on your website is it xgym.com?
That’s right, X G Y M .com and there’s like a meet PJ tab and we kind of see a there’s a photo of you. Shredded shirt off night. Yeah I think it was 39 years old and then 50 something on the other photo kind of comparing side by side. It’s like wait there’s like no difference. If anything, you’re even in better shape now than you were then.
And you were in amazing shape then. Yes. I’m I basically I’m hoping to find out how you did it. Yeah, well, there’s a lot to it. And I’ve been a biohacker since the 80s and, before the term was invented and always had a kind of a scientist brain. So I’ve always been doing experiments and trying different things and still am.
I spend at least two hours in the research every day, and just trying to come up with new ideas and experiments to try new things, to see if I can make my program better for other people and myself. I’m always the first guinea pig, so 90% of the stuff I try fails miserably, but then I don’t have to try that stuff on anybody else.
So that’s why I do it first, and then I try it until I know completely what I know completely what you’re talking about, because I’ve done a lot of things in the gym. I wonder what’s going to happen if I do this. And some things make me stronger and some things make me weaker. Right? Yeah. So, you know
when
I get in the 10% and something succeeds, then I try it on friends and family, people that won’t sue me and then see if it works on them.
And then if it does, then I try it on my trainers and see if it works on them. And then I try it on some of my members that have been with me for years and see if it works on them, and then if it makes it through all those stages, then I decide if it’s actually better than one of the methods or techniques that I already have.
And then if it is, then it starts to get incorporated into my routine and methodology for everybody. And that way we can keep getting better all the time. So it’s just, you know, for sure try and error But and it’s not exactly the scientific method.
it’s not RCTs or anything like that.
but it works. And that’s how my program has evolved and how I found randomized controlled trials I think RCT is right.
Yeah, certainly not that. But it still works. And, you know, so the Xgym is a gym, but it’s also a lab of sorts. And finding this and exploring and just learning new things all the time. Biohacking. And I’ve just I’ve slowed down aging for myself and a lot of other people. That’s fantastic. And I do want to get into some of them how you did that.
But tell me about Xgym first. Is it a physical location where people come to train? Is it an online gym? What is it? Yes. It’s both. So we do a ton of online training. We’ve done that since 2017. So you know when then Covid hit and the lockdowns and everybody was forced into online training, we were the OG already.
So it was super easy for us. And the OG what’s original gangster. So that’s the yeah. The OG is like, you know, the pioneer. So we used to say pioneer. And now in 2024 or 25 we say, OG, I am so uncool. My kids will laugh at me for that one. Okay? Right. I like it. And so we do a lot of online training people all over the country, in the world, especially with when our members are traveling,
they come to the gym.
Of course, they work out there when they’re here, but then when they’re traveling, they can still work out because we’re training them through FaceTime or Skype. Well, now it’s teams.
so live life training in their hotel room, in the hotel, gym, and in other gym, whatever, wherever on the beach, whatever. And we should make it work.
Yeah. And then when they’re in the park there’s all kinds of places to train. I’m sure. Let’s let’s talk about the different, types of exercise, and I’ll throw some of them out there. And what I’d kind of like is an idea of how much I should, how much time I should spend on each one. Maybe in a given week.
Because a lot of us, when we think of training, we think of lifting weights and possibly strength training or bodybuilding. But there’s also sports or balance and coordination type things where we’re actually increasing or improving our agility. There’s flexibility training. There is endurance training where you, you know, can push yourself for longer distances, like in the case of running or something like that.
There’s all different aspects to being in shape physically. How much time do you spend a week in each of those areas, and how much time do you think we need to spend in those areas? So my gym has a workout that takes 21 minutes and the frequency is twice a week, and that’s equivalent to about seven hours of traditional training.
Personally, I do more not because I’m a hypocrite, because I’m addicted and it’s fun. So I do my 21 minutes twice a week of strength training, but I also do two, sometimes three times a week of our xardio classes. And it’s cardio, but it starts with an X of course, and we call it xardio and it’s also 21 minutes.
But the reason I do that is because it’s like playing on a playground. And you know, we’re just running around doing stuff and it’s all very controlled motions. So a lot of people think of Xgym and they picture a CrossFit, you know, where you’re jumping around high impact stuff, lifting really heavy weights, fast ballistic wraps.
we do none of that.
it’s more like Tai chi but with weights or resistance bands or something like that. So constant time and attention. And then the xardio classes are very low impact but very intense. And so is the strength training very intense now with the cardio classes, people of course are getting cardio benefits, but they’re also getting strength benefits because of the time under tension.
And then with the strength classes or workouts, because we do one on one and small group training,
that is of course strength, but it’s also giving people cardio benefits because of the time under tension and the rapid rise in heart rate and the spike in heart rate, and then the valleys in between where we’re walking over to the next exercise and the heart rate’s coming down and all that.
So you’d graph it on a piece of paper and it looks like interval training. And so as far as the heart and lungs are concerned, it is. So that’s why people get cardio. And so most people come to the Xgym twice a week for 21 minutes. And that’s because they’re really busy people. The biggest part of our bell curve is 40 to 70 years old, because those are the busy people.
They don’t have time to workout or they don’t want to put the time into work out. They want to get it done really fast, but get the benefits of working out for a really long time without having to work out for a really long time. So that’s what the methodology is designed to do. Yeah, I’m in that category for sure.
I want to get in, get it done and get back to the daily grind. Schedule, back to work, whatever the case is. What about flexibility training? Did you include that in there? It is. Yeah. And with traditional training, you know you’re doing sets and reps and they’re fast ballistic reps. You’re doing, you know, 8 to 12. And then you rest for a couple of minutes between sets.
And then you do the exact same thing again 3 to 5 times. And that’s why it takes so much time. And you’re doing a limited range because they’re snappy reps with heavy weights. We’re doing a big, huge range with very slow motion or controlled motion, depending on the method. And so just the range, the active range of motion in these exercises with time under tension through the entire range.
So you’re never off loading or resting. And then that gives people flexibility, because the reason people get tighter, especially with age, is because they’re moving less and they’re limiting their own range of motion. That’s why old men have the shuffle, because they’ve caused that over the years by shortening their stride for whatever reason. A lot of times it’s fear of balance, but it happens.
And then when we have a smaller range of motion through life, our normal active range of motion, we lose flexibility. Things just get tighter because the body says, well, I don’t need that big range. And so the tendons get tighter connective tissue, muscle joints, all that stuff tightens up because it hasn’t been used outside a certain range. So it doesn’t feel like it’s necessary for that.
And adhesions form and all sorts of awful things, it can be reversed. But when you actively go outside of your normal range of motion, then you are becoming more flexible without stretching. So
we recommend it for people that ask.
we tell people you don’t really need it because of how we’re doing things here. But if you want to become more flexible or if you have some severe limitations in your flexibility, here’s a routine that we’ll show you.
And it’ll probably take about five minutes. And the best time to do it is when you’re warm right after your workout, doing it as you’re cooling or at home. You know when you’re get warm. I mean, it’s good to do cold stretching, too.
It’s not a waste of time. Now, I’m in agreement with you, though, because you’re more likely to injure yourself cold stretching.
And, you know, if you warm things up now, they’re actually flexible and you’re kind of flushing out all the tensions, the adhesions, the way that you had mentioned. So I’m a bigger fan of stretching after the exercise. Yeah. Yes. Kind of flush your spine out in the morning when you wake up and, you know, stretch like a cat or dog does every time they get up from a period of inactivity.
But when you’re training hard and there’s some, you know, adhesions in your muscles and you go right into cold stretching. Yeah. I might pull a hamstring or some kind of injury because your muscles weren’t ready for it. They weren’t warm. it can happen right. Yeah. Now I want to measure results and know that I’m making progress. How do you do that.
Well a couple different ways. The main way we do it on a more frequent basis is with our inbody 570 so it’s a $12,000 scale that people stand on
with hand electrodes and feet electrodes. So it’s through the whole body and it’s three different frequencies. So it’s very different from
the home version that people have.
And it can actually segment you into different areas of your body. So it can tell you how much muscle you have in your right arm, left arm, right leg, left leg, trunk. And same thing with body fat, overall body fat and same segments for body fat for those and visceral fat. And so
that’s our main tool.
But if people want more than that, then we have a fitness testing program that we can take them through, which tests cardio and range of motion and strength. And if they really want to go all in, we also have the Pinelli brand, VO2 Max. And so we can measure that as well. So there’s lots of ways we can do it.
But most people, because they’re busy people and because, you know, they don’t really care enough to go all in a lot of times they’ll just stick with the BEI machine so they can see their body composition changing and their muscle changing and body changing, stuff like that. Yeah, I know that AI is going to play a bigger and bigger role in these things.
Have you gone into the use of AI for tracking health and fitness? Not particularly.
do a lot of wearables and sometimes that has Ai incorporated big fan of that. My favorite wearable is my Apple Watch. But because it’s also a cell phone, I don’t wear it unless I’m working out
you know, I need it or I need a watch on for an event or something where, you know, my phone is going to be not nearby, or it has to be in my pocket or whatever, and something,
because I’m a granddad, too.
And so a lot of times I’m,
taking care of my grandson and hanging out with him. He’s two now, got a granddaughter coming next month. And so, you know,
need to get be able to be more available especially, you know, in babysitting for parents to call or stuff like that.
So I’ll wear
the watch sometimes that way. But
AI is great and I use it a ton for research, especially elicit.com, which is a website that helps you
comb through research papers at a very rapid rate. And,
the Gemini is also really good and notebook.lm is amazing. So
I spend two hours a day on research and
two years ago that two hours a day was googling things and looking up things manually.
Now that two hours is using a ton of different AI sources
I’m getting so much more done in the same amount of time. I’m getting a whole day’s worth of research done in two hours, where equivalent to the two hours of two years ago. I chuckled a little bit when you said Gemini, because it was literally the day it was made available to me.
I essentially had a little discussion with Gemini and said something like, we’re going to do a podcast together and I’m going to interview you. And then after 15 minutes, you’re going to interview me. And we had just a full podcast together talking about aloe vera, which happens to be, you know
the business I’m in. Yeah. And it was quite shocking, the level of intelligence, artificial intelligence, that is available today.
And you know, that having been a handful of months ago, well, now it’s multiplied probably x number of times. It’s nuts. Yeah. I know the future is going to be,
well, partly crazy.
and there’s going to be some nutty problems and who knows, artificial intelligence might just take over the world. But before that happens, the Terminator movies probably have a lot of benefit from it.
Yeah. And whether that’s 5 or 10 years or a hundred years from now, who knows? Right. Yeah. It’s funny, fun stuff. Fun stuff with that when you mentioned the aloe vera, so everybody with the Covid thing, everybody went crazy for hand sanitizer, and that really bothered me.
But some of my members were just even I would explain it as much as I could, but, you know, hey, just let’s I’ve got this really good soap in all the bathrooms here, and it’s really good for you.
and that’s a great way to do it. They insisted so what I did is I made my own formula for the people that absolutely had to have hand sanitizer. And it was with the kind of alcohol that is actually not bad for you. And I also mixed in aloe vera gel. So it’s a combination of both of those things.
Instead of just the harsh straight alcohol. And people love it. Right. And it really good. Yeah. The aloe vera is in it to combat the harshness of the alcohol because, well, alcohol can be drying
whether it’s isopropyl alcohol or ethanol that you would, that people will drink for the fun benefits. The mind benefits.
And we had a lot of calls. People wanted aloe vera because there was no sanitizer anywhere. I had to tell them, you know, you don’t want our aloe vera for making hand sanitizer because we’re actually like the actual leaf ground up with pulp everywhere, and it’s going to make a mess on your skin. If you are rubbing your hands in it because the pulp, you know, you want filtered
aloe vera with all that stuff taken out, strained out.
so we sent them to places where they can get 55 gallon drums of it for the price of our five gallon bucket.
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I want to talk about brain types and I don’t know how this is going to tie in, because you saw a little bit of my scattered brain type in arranging this discussion because, well, we were originally scheduled for last Tuesday, but I had to be somewhere last Tuesday and had to change it, and I put some information in the event and changed it for this week, which made it sound like we were pushing it to the following week.
Okay, I was scattered. I’m wondering if I’m going to find out what kind of brain type there is here, but what are the different brain types and how do you use that for customizing someone’s physical fitness plan? Yes. So everybody deserves to understand instructions on what they should do with nutrition and exercise and motivation and all those things that people struggle with.
But people have different brain types. And I boiled it down to 16 different kind of brain types. And with my brain type test, people get to find out which brain type they are, and then they get to find out their custom coaching tips and techniques to rewire their brain and get past the hard things, whether that be a food craving or emotional eating or workout motivation.
They can figure it out and what’s going to work for them. And so it’s talking actually to them based on what makes sense to them. The biggest problem I see with other trainers that don’t understand this concept is they have found what works best for them over time and they just assume that’s going to be the answer for everybody.
And so they tell their client, hey, do this. Look at me. And then the client goes, oh great, they’re all excited. And they go try. But there’s an 80% chance that’s not going to work. So then the client comes back and says, yeah, I, I don’t know. I just can’t stick with it. And I don’t know why. And the trainer says, oh, come on, just suck it up and have more discipline and willpower and all that.
And so then the client tries harder and they’re just really frustrated. Well, the problem is that
there’s an 80% chance that the trainer and the client are not going to share even a similar brain type. And so just the instructions aren’t going to make sense, and they’re not going to work for that person. So I developed a whole bunch of brain training techniques and dumped them all into this brain type test.
And then the brain type test determines the brain type and then figures out which brain training technique works for that person so they can get past their struggles, but also literally rewire their brain to change along with their body. So then when they get their physical results, their brain is different and then they can keep those results because they don’t snap back with a yoyo like everybody else.
Because that’s the reason for the yo yo is people’s bodies will change, but their brain won’t. Brain always wins, so then their brain makes them snap back. But if their brain changes with their body because they’re rewiring it, then they get the results and they keep the results and they can be lifelong results.
PJ, can you give me an example of someone that had a certain brain type and were getting instructions in a certain way, and then realized their brain type was different, and how were the instructions changed, and how did that change them? Yes. So before I had the brain type test, I came up with different techniques and I would have kind of a good intuition idea of what techniques might work for a certain person.
But I was wrong a lot, and it was basically just throwing spaghetti up against the wall, because I was really excited about my techniques that I was developing. But something with some would stick and some wouldn’t. And so Susie, I would give her the EFT technique and it would work like a charm. And then Sam, I’d give him the same technique, but it just fell flat.
And so then for him it would be then I would try spaghetti and a noodle that stuck for him was the visualization technique, but that didn’t stick for Susie. And so I’m like, well, I’m wasting my time and their time and so how can I make this? How can I figure out ahead of time which techniques are going to stick?
And that’s why I came up with the brain type test. Took me five years. But finally when I boiled it down and perfected it, so it was very likely. I mean, it’s not perfect. Nothing is. But it was. It made it very likely that the half a dozen techniques that these people get with their particular brain type will work for them and help them permanently change and rewire their brain.
Okay. And,
in a real life example, how have you seen that turn into success in one of your clients? Yeah, that was failing prior to knowing their brain type. Well, that kind of was a real example. Even though I changed the names, because the EFT technique is my most common technique and emotional freedom technique.
Yeah, okay. And that’s in 11 of the 16 brain types. But there’s five brain types where it’s not going to work as well. It might still work, but not super effective like the other ones. For instance,
the conscious eating technique. So that’s pretty common. And the other five and the conscious eating technique is where you are slowly chewing your food, enjoying your food, tasting it, smelling it, talking about it, taking your time.
And then your brain can register the satiety mechanism, the fullness better and quicker. And so then you’re eating less, but
also your digestion is improving because you’re actually appreciating the food and being grateful for it, which changes even the molecular structure of the food in a way, making it more of a digestible and changes your own digestive system.
And so that would be a good example where and one of the five that doesn’t have the EFT, that one would be great. So that the EFT people find it awesome to get rid of cravings and emotional eating. But those other five are. It doesn’t work as well as the conscious eating technique does, so that’s going to work better for them.
I’m understanding so and just understanding the satiety and the nutrients that we’re taking in. For one person, it’s going to work. If you slow down in an experience or food for another person, an EFT technique which looks like what well, it’s tapping. So the way I mean, there’s different techniques within it and they all work. And the easiest way, a quickest way for people to understand what I’m talking about is just to go to tapping.com
It’s not my site somebody else’s, but and his technique is a little bit different than mine, but it works just as well. And it’s. Yeah. And I think it’s interesting that that you mentioned this as different brain types because tapping is something that hasn’t worked for me. So I didn’t I never understood why but I guess it’s not you know one solution for everybody answer.
Right. And I also like what you said about people that will tell people this is what you have to do because it works for them. Right. And we see that in diet recommendations all the time. You have to be keto or a raw vegan or a vegetarian or, you know, you should only eat meat, or everything should be raw, everything should be cooked.
And you know all you can only eat sprouts. And there’s all these create. I’m on a all fruit diet or one food per day. You know, there are so many weird diets. I think there was someone on TikTok that was famous for her banana diet. Right. And, you know, okay, you may have gotten great results and maybe there were temporary results and you duped us, right?
But that worked for you. And for some people, they’re going to do better with more fat. Some people will do better with more protein. Some people will do better on more carbs. Some people will do better on animal foods. Some people will do better on you. Plant foods. And there’s also different purposes for the diets. I want to, you know, I want to look like PJ Glassey you know, all shredded and stuff.
Well, that’s probably a different diet than I want to strengthen my immune system because I’m having these particular challenges totally. So with that, what’s your diet like? Well, personally I’m keto. Well, I wouldn’t say keto because I eat more protein than your classic keto, but I would say low carb. That’s an easier way to explain it, but I rarely recommend it to other people because it’s the hardest one to do.
So. What I typically tell people is start with the Mediterranean, see how that goes, and then keep a food log, track everything. And so then in three months, if you think you’ve mastered it, let’s get back together. Let’s look at your food log and see what and if it’s working for you. Let’s just keep going. Keep doing it.
But then if you want something else, then let’s talk about paleo. And then, you know, we can try that because some people like variety like to switch it up and try different things. And then rarely some people will end up with the low carb or the keto. But the Mediterranean is the easiest one to do, and it’s a relatively healthy diet.
And so that’s what I would typically start with. But for me, I’m keto. And
the reason for that is I’ve tried them all. And that’s the one that works best for me,
is the super low carb. I just add more protein because, you know, muscle is important and I’m training hard and I want to make sure that that is maximized.
I’m not overboard on protein like the protein powder companies want you to be. But you know, 150g a day
is a lot more than most people are eating. And it’s more than what you. Yeah. What’s your favorite protein source? Oh, gosh. Grass fed tenderloin steak I think
is my favorite.
I have some property over in eastern Washington.
It’s all off grid
and it’s
super fun.
and I noticed that,
some cows were walking up onto my property, which I don’t mind.
And, you know, they’re eating my grass, which is great. And so we made friends
and then this guy, the next week comes over on a four Wheeler checking the fence and all that stuff, and he goes, hey,
my cows got out and sorry if they came over here.
And I go, oh, no,
they’re welcome.
and we started talking and I asked him
if he.
because these cows I mean I was looking at these cows and first of all, my property is up at 4200ft. So the air’s really clean up there. And these cows are wandering, eating wild stuff, eating the best stuff.
Lots of variety up there, lots of green stuff. They’re eating the best they can find something. And wow, it doesn’t get any better than that. These cows, wild cows
in clean air. And so I asked him, you know,
do you ever sell the meat? And it goes, well, yeah, I was thinking about it. And so I kind of talked him into it.
And that’s how I get
my beef from and nice. It’s just amazing. And I just can’t think of anything better than the grass fed tenderloin. Truly. Grass. Yeah. Not the legal definition of grass, but it’s truly right that’s where they live and that’s what they eat. I know the legal definition is something like must spend 50% of their life in the field.
And usually it’s kind of like the first, you know, six months, a year of their life or so, and then they get fattened up from, you know, 5 or 600 pounds to 1,500 pounds on all of the inflammatory grains. And they call that grass fed, right. My favorite, protein bar, I think, is dried beef. Good. You know, but there’s different kinds.
There’s processed dried beef, which is maybe easier to chew because it’s been ground up and stuck in a tube or, you know, kind of glued back together or whatever they do. And then there’s actually just sliced and dried and maybe it’s seasoned in, you know, something natural. And that would be my preferred, though harder to chew. Yeah.
And people are getting all these crazy protein bars with all their processed chemicals in it and stuff it. What are you doing? There’s such good sources of real protein available to you. We used to have our own chickens, and I would get beautiful bright orange eggs from them. We didn’t feed them sometimes. We did, when we had too many chickens and not enough for them to eat.
And then we learned, okay, you can only have this many in this much property because they have to have enough grass. They would eat the lizards, they would eat bugs, they would eat, you know, the leaves off the bushes. They ate everything and made the most incredible real bright orange yolks. And the color is the nutrients. And they had flavor and just amazing nutrition.
I love it. Supplements, creatine? Yes or no? Yes. But it’s got to be really good quality. I mean, you have to be careful who you’re buying it from because you could get really cheap creatine, but it’s not going to be nearly as effective as paying more and getting from a trusted source.
Yeah. Any, tips on finding a trusted source?
Yeah. My favorite is MYOXCIENCE. And it is a local guy here in Kirkland, Washington. And
He makes really good stuff. Okay. And let’s see. Hormone optimization. Yes or no, it depends. I generally say no, but there are some people at certain ages that might need it. I’m 59. I still don’t need it.
And maybe when I turn 70
I might look into it, but
personally, I’m resistant for myself just because I so don’t need it. It would just be like a supplement for me where I’m trying to optimize something and even though I it’s not necessary. But I’m not completely opposed depending on the person and their, you know, their condition.
I haven’t actually technically recommended it yet, even once to anybody. But just as a concept, I’m not completely closed minded to it. Yeah, I think that’s wise. And for me, I suggested that one person, you know, get measured and checked because when you’re packing on the pounds and your knees are failing and you’re lethargic and, you know, maybe even your marital relationship is could be better, there’s probably circumstances.
Personally, I’ve never been tested. I don’t know what my testosterone level is and I haven’t chosen to go that route. I am curious, I would like to know what number I’m at. And like yourself, I’m 58 years old. I still feel like I have a lot of energy. I don’t require much sleep. You know, maybe putting on a little extra weight.
More than I need to but. It just haven’t been inspired to go that direction. And. Right. I know a lot of people have, but I am impressed because, like I said, I saw your pictures on the you know, meet PJ Glassey or whatever tab it was on your website. And I said, oh my goodness, that guy is shredded and got a lot of muscle.
And I thought I was going to catch you on that one. I thought, I don’t know if I looked like he might has done supplemental testosterone or something. Yeah, no. Awesome awesome, awesome. What other bio hacks do you use? Cold plunge, Red light therapy. Anything outside of the just training? Yes. Another favorite wearable is my aura ring, which I wear at night.
Only just to track sleep, because that’s just fun to see. And then,
I have a red light,
lamp that is in my bathroom that I stand in front of when I’m shaving and brushing my teeth. I also have a big, huge, full body, vitamin D light, and I take. Yeah, again, I’m turning that on just when I’m doing other stuff, but never more than a 3 or 4 minutes a day.
I if I did stand in front of it for longer, it would actually tan me. But I don’t enough for that. I go outside if I want to get darker. Because sunlight is the best hack. Literally the best bio hack of any. It’s far and away, and there isn’t even a close second sunlight just going outside and being outside.
Especially if you can go into the forest and then, you know, we call that forest bathing nowadays. 200 years ago, that was just what everybody did every day. Okay. Now we have a special name for it because we live in these concrete jungles. Isn’t it crazy? It is.
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so I do those a lot. And I also have, a sauna that I.
If I haven’t sweat really hard for a couple days, and I go make sure that
I can
get that in because sweating
is an amazing detox. And that is kind of a homemade thing where I have just heat lamps, red light heat lamps that heat it up. So I’m also getting, you know, full spectrum infrared.
And then I also have
some red light and infrared pens is what they call them, where it’s like a flashlight. So you can just put it right on a spot and turn on the mitochondria and get a little more circulation going. Those are probably my favorite, but, interesting. The red light pen is that like, LED or laser LED?
LED, very interesting. Concrete jungle. That’s hysterical. I haven’t heard the term. Yeah, but yes, the planet is getting covered with concrete and less and less nature around us every day. And it’s one of those things it’s hard to reclaim and turn back into nature. It’s a scary thing. Well, you know, you’re in what? What part of the country Kirkland, Washington.
Okay. So, you know, you mentioned sunlight and it’s available to you. You get to spend more time than I do. I’m here in Florida and I could probably get three times the exposure. You know, in
15 minutes, I’m done. Right? Yeah. That’s all you need. I mean, it’s
not a big deal. So and all you need is 15 minutes and short sleeves and that you got your daily dose.
I haven’t done much time in the sauna. My detox, my favorite detox. Sweating. Detox is pickleball. Yes. So good. Oh, my gosh, an hour in pickleball. And, you know, I’ve probably already lost 5 pounds. I can ring my shirt out. And totally. It’s intense. It’s fun. And that’s what we do here. And I love it. Pickleball is the greatest sport.
So you’re playing a. Yeah, I actually learned years and years ago before it was a thing. Back in the late 90s, I was playing at a club I used to work at, and they had a, wood pickleball court. And so I was a trainer there. So I actually got paid to play the members and got really good because
everybody wanted to play.
So technically, I guess you could call me, I was a professional pickleball player because I, I was technically being paid to play, but it was a paycheck for the gym. And you meet the definition. Yeah. So, and then last year, I was out playing with Bev, my wife, and it was on a cement court, and so I, I dove for a shot because my muscle memory remembered that I could do that because I was playing on a wood court, most of my pickleball history and on a wood court, you know, you roll and you slide and all this kind of stuff, like in volleyball, but that does not you don’t slide on cement.
And so I stuck in place. I hit, I came down on my shoulder, I stuck in place and my collarbone broke in two with chips and shards. And so I went to the doctor and he said, well, let’s see if it’ll heal without surgery. Because like I say, I talked him into that, but because I didn’t want surgery.
And so I said, yeah, you know, I’m a biohacker and,
then I did a whole bunch about hacks and there was a like chiropractor that had the laser system and all that, and I was doing a ton of things. It’s
all documented on Instagram, in my x account from it back when it happened. But because I wanted to, you know, have a diary of everything.
But, the doctor said, yeah, okay. Now just so you know, this is a really bad break. This is nasty. And
it’s going to take you nine months, best case scenario, before you’re 100%. And so he said,
let’s come back in three months. Let’s see if we can get you out of the sling. So I made my appointment for five weeks and instead of three months.
And so he did more X-rays then well at first
he was really surprised to see me. And he goes
why are you back so soon Oh well I don’t know. I just wanted to check it out. Let’s just see. So he did X-ray and he goes, oh yeah, okay. You don’t need the sling. And so then I continue to do my stuff and then, let’s see, it was three months when I was back to doing everything that I was doing, and another month later, I was 100%.
Isn’t it amazing? And you actually taught the doctor something which is wonderful that life fixes things, that our bodies are made to heal. We’re a self-healing organism. Sometimes when we pay attention, we’ll have the answers. The life in us will tell us what we need to do to get better. A dog with a broken leg, you know, uses the other three, and eventually you see the fourth one moving, and then they start putting a little weight on it.
And before you know it, they’re just running again on all fours. And we know what we need to do. But we’ve been conditioned to think, no, we have to go to the doctor and have these things put back together, screwed together or whatever the case is. Now, I’m not telling anyone that got their injury. Don’t go to the doctor.
No, you decide what you need to do, what’s best for you. MD’s are great for that. You know, they’re for broken bones and ER stuff. They’re fantastic. And, you know, I highly recommend them. And even for other stuff, some surgeries, everything like that. But
you’re right, the body is designed to heal itself. And he told me that I healed at the rate of a 12 year old because I let it heal itself.
I gave it what it needed and I did the right things. And I was smart and careful too,
I wasn’t careless, and I was looking to his guidance and x rays to know
how far I could push myself so I wouldn’t do anything stupid and make it worse and go backwards. But I’m guessing you weren’t drugging the pain either, because that would shut off your ability to pay attention to it, right?
So the first night. So first of all, I am on zero meds and I just never do meds. Sometimes
when I feel a cold or something coming on,
I’ll pop some ivermectin and that helps. Great. And but you know the supplements
and bone broth and all that kind of stuff that I do because I also got the bones from the butcher.
So I make that. But nice. But the night of the injury I did take
he prescribed I think it was OxyContin. You know, one of those things I did take one to sleep, but then I kind of regretted it because the next day I felt kind of weird. I’m like gosh because I don’t take any, any meds. And I did, and now I feel weird.
And so I that night I decided not to. I slept just as well. And so then I just didn’t ever again. So I had this huge bottle of unused oxy that I put in my prepper backpack for the zombie apocalypse. But I didn’t use it. I so. Yeah, I had a surgery where, you know, I had my bicep reattached kind of thing.
Yeah. Which yeah, it wasn’t horrible though. And but it was
they had my shoulder in a position that when I got out of it’s like oh
my shoulder you know, my goodness. And you know what the surgery was down here because it was the bottom part where the bicep was reattached. And I remember they did give me a shot and it just melted everything away.
I said, oh my goodness, that was crazy. And then they gave me Vicodin and I took one Vicodin and I said, this is not good. I will not use this ever again. I mean, it was amazing and I loved it, which is why I knew it was not good. Exactly. But yeah, it’s like, no, the pain is your friend, and you’re supposed to obey it and it’ll teach you what you can do, what you should do, and what you should not do.
I recently injured my shoulder, doing a cartwheel at my daughter’s daddy daughter dance, and. Yeah, and then all the practices and stuff. It was no problem. But I must have twisted did something wrong, and then I had to do it in a second show. On the on the injury. But, yeah, I’m gonna do it, I don’t care.
I warmed it up as much as I could before. I couldn’t even raise my shoulder. But I did it again. It’s like, okay, now the damage is really done and what do I do? I go to the gym and I find the exercise that exercises that exact point. And with no way that was miserable. And in a couple days it’s, you know, working just like it’s supposed to because, you know, we pay attention, what do we need to do?
And I’m going to rehabilitate that. I’m going to do it now on the front end, because it’s a lot easier before the scar tissue develops and our bodies were made to heal. You just got to give it totally what it needs. Yeah. And when I broke my collar bone, the, you know, the doctor was saying, oh, yeah, lots of ice and all that kind of stuff.
And I’m like, I mean, I didn’t say that to him. But then I got back home and I got, I’m going to watch it and let’s see if I need ice. I never did, never iced it once because the inflammation is a good thing. But it didn’t ever go overboard. And ice is great if it’s overboard or
if it’s impeding healing down the road later.
It never did, never went overboard. And so I never iced.
The one time I really iced. Ski wreck. And I kind of, you know, Superman and then hit my head and bent it all kinds of down and stuff. And instantly
I was, I think was when I regained consciousness, I realized my, the same arm, my right arm was paralyzed, sort of was not working just for a moment there.
And you know, and then some tingling and I was able to move it and stuff. But while I was struggling there, I thought, you know, let me use this hand and pat snow on my neck, because if I broke it, yeah.
I can decrease the inflammation and maybe not get paralyzed. That’s awesome. I didn’t go to the doctor.
I, skied down to the bottom of the hill and started doing my neck exercises. All right. Slowly paying attention, getting things moving as my arm started working again. And I remember waking up the next day and it felt like my head was made out of steel and the bed was a magnet, and I could not I just, but I continued to do my exercises.
Still never went to the doctor, never had an X-ray. I don’t know if I broke anything. I still don’t know. I know it was a bad injury, but man, somehow we heal if we pay attention and do all the right thing we are designed for it, that’s what we’ve lost the ability to pay attention. Not all of us. You’re clearly in touch.
You know what’s going on?
You know, we talked about a lot of things, and I’m. Yeah, I can easily go over time with you because we’re so similar. But what’s the best way for people that want to learn more from you? Get in touch with you.
What’s your funnel to get into your email list?
Where should they go? It’s xgym.com That’s the main thing X G Y M.com The brain type test is braintype.me and then social
on x I’m @XGYM
and then you know Facebook
it’s xgyms on Facebook. But yeah
the main one is xgym.com and braintype.me
So those are the two main places to go okay. Excellent. Is there anything that I should have asked you. Oh gosh.
I like to talk about attitude and mental because that is
really the key. The brain is the key for goals, whether they’re physical or whether they’re,
financial or whatever it is.
it’s believing that you can do it.
It’s having confidence in it, and it’s visualizing and imagining that it’s already happened. And
when people are doing it for fitness purposes, they would close their eyes and imagine they already have the goals, have achieved the goals that they have achieved, and they are looking down at themselves in their imagination and noticing how flat their stomach is that, you know,
their muscles are toned and defined and appreciating how healthy they feel, how much energy they have, and they’re just experiencing as if it’s already happened.
This is not a new concept. Jesus taught this 2000 years ago. Pray as if you have already received it, and so you are imagining that you have received it. It’s happened. You’re now living in that reality because the subconscious brain is the boss of us, and the subconscious brain will control our actions and our motivations. And this is training the subconscious brain to believe the subconscious operates at about the level of a three year old.
And so whatever works on a toddler works for programing the subconscious. Since our toddler is in control, it’s important to program that toddler properly. And this is a really effective way to do it because the toddler over time starts to believe this is actually you, and then you become that because the toddler becomes that. And now your actions and beliefs have changed because you’ve rewired your brain and now everything
is easier to achieve.
Yeah, yeah. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen when you talk about believing
you’re practicing that substance. And yes, it ends up coming to be you can pave that particular way. One of the things that Jesus said frequently to people he healed is your faith has made you whole. And people that had the belief got the results.
Well, just like with my collarbone, you know, there’s a lot of prayer involved with that. And I just believed that I was going to blow the doctor away with my rate of healing. I knew it, I was completely convinced 100%, this is going to happen. Can’t wait to blow them away. And that’s what happened. I love it, that’s kind of how I live my life.
I like to prove that, it can be done. And when people don’t believe in you, that’s like, my biggest motivation. There’s no way you can do this. Right. Let me show you something. Okay. Challenge accepted. We’re going to make it happen. PJ, thank you for joining me. This is been, fun discussion Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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