RESOURCES
- Get the Free Download “Mental Health Wellness Journey“
- Get the Free Download “Your Wellness Checklist“
- Visit Miriiam Putman’s website MiriamPutnam.org/
- Follow this guest on Facebook
- Follow this guest on Instagram
- Follow this guest on LinkedIn
- Follow this guest on TikTok
- Subscribe to this guest on YouTube
- Watch this episode on YouTube
- Listen to this episode on iTunes
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 Intro Snip
00:00:46 Introduce Miriam Putnam
00:04:20 Why Dr. Haley became a chiropractor
00:05:14 What is special about the way chiropractors and other natural healthcare professionals think when it comes to getting well?
00:05:59 Dr. Haley’s disclaimer about medications and what should the goal be when taking medicine?
00:08:50 What happened to Miriam’s mother that inspired her to do what she does?
00:09:55 How much more do doctors know now compared to 20 years ago?
00:12:07 How do doctors treat a chemical imbalance?
00:18:46 When parents give drugs to their children, it is to help the children or the relieve the parents?
00:19:40 What changes did you see in your mother when she was medicated for her challenges?
00:25:42 Do Genes play a role in mental health
00:28:04 What was Miriam’s experience with medicine growing up.
00:30:33 What are the “Pillars of Health”
00:31:29 What is Mind Muscle Exercise?
00:34:25 What are the long term effects of medications to treat mental health?
00:35:02 How many kids are medicated for mental health in the United States?
00:36:50 How important is gut health in treating mental health?
00:39:50 Why do people give their horses aloe vera?
00:41:45 how do mental emotional challenges affect people’s pain?
00:42:20 How do people get in touch?
00:48:20 What you will find on the free download including the 10 steps checklist
00:49:00 The common Dr. Haley has with Miriam Putnam
00:49:47 Why South Florida is a Healthy place to live
00:51:47 The benefits of cold plunge
00:52:52 What is cryo-eeze?
00:58:10 When the symptom doesn’t go away, what is the typical cause?
TRANSCRIPT
80 to 90% of the time when there is a mental illness, drug or a symptom that is not going away, it’s usually found in the body. It’s found in the body.
You are listening to the Dr. Haley Show, the podcast dedicated to helping you optimize your health. Each episode there will be an interview or a message to help you discover better health. We will be featuring health radicals on the show to bring new ideas to the table, as well as doubling down on key fundamentals to support you living your best life.
Your host is no other than the founder of Haley Nutrition Dr. Michael Haley.
This is the Dr. Haley Show podcast. I’m Dr. Michael Haley, show host. And today. Well, the benefit of this podcast we’re going to explore natural ways of dealing with stress and mental wellbeing. Miriam Putnam is a board certified wellness coach, a freedom from stress counselor with an emotional story that led her to help others find a better way to mental wellbeing.
She is on a mission to offer holistic, natural solutions for mental health. Miriam, thank you for joining me today. Where in the world are you right now? Well, thank you so much for that introduction, and thank you for having me today, Michael. I really appreciate it.
It’s fantastic.
I’m in Tampa. Tampa, Florida.
Oh, I love Tampa. I actually went to the University of Tampa. Oh, yeah. The building with the big minarets. Now, I’m a lot older than you, but my favorite place there, I’m going to admit to all of my people listening is a place that’s no longer there was a little bar that I worked at called the Chatterbox Lounge in Hyde Park, which was across the street from Bern’s Steak house, and people would go from one to the other.
I was a bartender there to help put my self through college at the University of Tampa, and people would go from limousines at Bern’s Steak house across the street to this dive bar, where they could get drinks for $1.25.
Yeah. It was it was, quite the place. I’ll call it the famous Chatterbox Lounge in Tampa, Florida. Well, how long have you been there? Yeah, we’ve, about 12 years now. Okay. Now, do you know Bern’s Steak House? Is it still there? Yeah, Bern’s Steak house is still there. And then across the street. I do not think chatterbox is there.
It’s a really nice hotel that has, lots of amenities. Yeah. The chatterbox went up in flames, like, 20 years ago. Okay. Yeah. I’m like, I haven’t seen chatterbox burned down. Burned to the ground. And then we had the, What’s the big event in February in Tampa, where everyone dresses up like pirates and you mean Gasparilla?
Gasparilla? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tampa has some pretty cool stuff in it. It’s. I mean,
it’s an up and coming city for sure. Yeah. I’m, I’m. We moved here from Los Angeles, so it was a little bit of a culture shock for me at first, but I really love Tampa. My one competitor in my business, I’m in the Aloe Vera business.
But my closest thing to having competition in the business, it was, man, that had a stand in not Hyde Park. What’s the other place that was, built in the 90s on the bay?
Well, it was a trendy place that people. It’s like an island of some kind. You mean Davis Island, is it not Davis Island? That Davis Island brings back other memories. That’s where the fraternity went out. And. Yeah. Isn’t that where beer can. Beaches, I believe. Maybe. Well, you have lots of memories in this city. How fun. You got a huge smile on your face, I love it, I do have a good time.
I had a good time in college. And unfortunately, that’s what I had. Was a good time. Yeah, I get it. That’s why I don’t want my kids to go to college. Yeah, unless they have an actual plan. I got a plan
after college, and then I went back to school for another four years and became the chiropractor that I am.
I actually wasn’t going to do that because my counselor at the University of Tampa said I wasn’t smart enough. And so, yeah, and I think he just didn’t like chiropractic because chiropractors aren’t real doctors. I think that was his position. But I wanted to be a chiropractor because when I went to the chiropractor with my father, to me, it was like he was doing this Jesus thing, raising the dead and helping people be better athletes and just better versions of themselves.
So I wanted to do that for you. You wanted to get in on that. And. Yeah. So eventually I decided, what is my counselor know? I went to school and, became the chiropractor. And the coolest thing about it, and this is one of the things we’re going to talk a lot about today is it’s a different way of thinking when it comes to helping someone with a challenge.
We’re not in the business of symptom satisfaction. Things hurt you have pain will make the pain go away. You know, there’s lots of ways to make pain go away. But what would be a better approach is saying, how can we help your body heal so that it doesn’t have the symptoms anymore? Because now it’s working like it’s supposed to?
Yeah. And let’s do a little disclaimer. You might join me on this one because we are going to talk a lot about medications. And we’re not saying that medicine should never be used. Of course not. Definitely not. And we you mean we like your practice or your podcast or. Well, I think you’re going to have the same position as I do on that, that they can be useful in certain circumstances.
The worst thing to do with a medicine is to take it to satisfy a symptom and never step back and say, okay, how can I get off this medication? How can I get healthy so I no longer need it? Sure. Right. I mean, basically what you’re saying is that medicine should be used for emergency or like purposes for correcting bodily conditions, that there’s no other way or something like that.
Right? Medicine
to be used over and over and over again as a Band-Aid method. It hurts the body, mind and spirit way more than there are any studies that show that. Yeah. And, you know, there might be times when you have such severe pain that you can’t even get rest. Well, not having rest is detrimental. And what if we could somehow, you know, take you out of the severe pain so that you can get the rest and allow your body to heal or get whatever it needs, you know, stitches, casting, whatever it needs to get back to normal health and function.
Definitely. Definitely. I mean, sleep is one of the pillars of body health. So without sleep, we’re really not going to be able to heal. Yeah. Well, definitely. I’m going to have some tough questions for you today. Oh yeah. Okay. Is that all right? Of course. Yeah by all means, they might even bring up some emotional, points in your life.
I’m sure you know that, though. Yeah, no, I know, I mean,
I’m just now launching into this, speaking out and taking my career to the next level just because of what I went through. I feel like I have a duty and a service to our communities and people that are seeking solutions, eager for solutions. Maybe they’re confused with the current broken mental health system, whatever it may be, and yeah, you know, I dedicate most of my work to my mom, whom I lost.
So it’s okay.
we can discuss hard questions. All right. Well, tell us about that, your mother and what happened and what inspired you to study the things that you’ve studied and make a difference? So that was
a lot of questions in one was so that it’s like, tell you, tell you a story, your story that might be yours.
I’m going to zip my mouth for a little bit. No, no, you’re totally fine. I mean, my I grew up with a beautiful mom when I was younger. So. Absolutely beautiful. You know, my grandfather was a Baptist preacher. My mom was like a good old girl. She married my dad, who came from a lot, a lot of money. So it was a little bit of a different cultural clash, I guess, if you may, but basically they went through marital issues.
My mom lost about three people,
right in a row. So it was, I think like a February, then again in the summer and then again in the fall sort of thing. So it was bam, bam, bam. And then that was also simultaneous to
the hormonal shifts that women go through. And with marital issues, all those losses and then the body not finding equilibrium.
And forgive me for saying but doctors back then did not know half of what they know now. I mean, luckily, this integrative and functional and chiropractic arena of holistic health has grown so much, and so that is a benefit to society. Can I interrupt? Yeah, of course, because we still don’t know that much. We know a lot more than we knew ten years ago.
But what we’ve really come to know is that our bodies know a lot more than we do. The life that is in us is a lot smarter than we are. And when we give it what it needs for health and wellness, it kind of knows what to do by itself.
I don’t know if we got smarter.
But
maybe that is the wisdom to step back and say, you know, God, for me, I’m going to I’m going to call it God. I’m going to call him God. Some people will say that universal intelligence or whatever it is, you innate intelligence. Yeah. God knows so much more than I do. And if I can say, okay, you know, God, what would you have me do for health and wellness?
And what am I doing that is interfering with that? And then just get out of the way and miracles happen? Yeah, sure.
I mean, the person still has to drive it, right? You know, God, universal energy, whatever a person wants to call it, we still get free will and we still have to, you know, move our vessel, so to speak.
So it’s not like it’s not like some, you know, mystical energy is going to come in and fix everything. We still have to, like, pick the body up, go outside for a walk, take the body to the gym, choose to eat a salad rather than a, you know, a candy bar. I mean, we still have those healthy choices and healthy habits that we have to make.
Yeah, but you know, the whole point is
we don’t know that much. We know this much. We have so much more to learn. And we’re learning at exponentially. But when it comes to things like pharmacology, you know, the reality is a human being, a man will have a hard time getting a good consistency out of mud, just mixing dirt and water.
And when we start messing with the chemistry of the body that has so many chemical processes going on and we say, you know, oh, we’re going to give it this because there’s a chemical imbalance. Is it a chemical imbalance
that we’re smart enough to fix. Really?
Yeah, sure. I know I hear you. Well, you just brought up a very interesting point, and I’m not sure exactly what your stances on this.
But. No, no, now you’re going to ask me the tough questions. Yeah. I mean, the chemical balance is in. The chemical balance is a theory that our population is being medicated upon. So,
I’m not actually on the fence about that whatsoever. I help my clients with self-advocacy and directing them towards nonprofits that share the actual facts regarding that.
It can be a hard process for somebody to sort of like go up and confront that and sort of
become aware of that sort of reality because
that’s tough to understand. And consider that my doctor or my nurse or my loved one, right. In my experience growing up with my mom and dealing with the broken mental health system,
that we did for almost 20 years in and out of mental hospitals and tons of doctors.
It was lots of family members as well as the medical professionals that we were looking to for advice. But it can be an earth shattering experience for somebody, and some people don’t want to actually even look at that data, because that story has been told to us for so long by commercials, by certain doctors, by, you know, many different things like that.
So it can be a hard one. But,
at this point in time,
there is no drug that corrects and gets rid of mental health symptoms. There’s just not yeah. You know, there’s so much here. And I’ll talk. I’ll give you my take on chemical imbalances and chemistry in the body. Not yet though.
Okay. Because I mean people
can correct it naturally.
it’s a longer road and it takes dedication to healthy habits. Yeah, well, I think you’re on the same page as me on this. So we’ll get it out there and then we’ll go back to, you know, finding out more about your mother and what led you to be in this position.
Because I still have some questions about that. As far as what your experience is like. But
I’ll define nutrition as chemistry, sure. Instead of what you eat, which is actually your diet. And certainly what you eat affects your chemistry. But our chemistry also is changed by exercise. You know, lactic acid is
chemical change that happens.
Sure, sure, sure. And when we sleep, the chemistry surrounding our spinal cords changes tremendously. And when we laugh and think good thoughts, our chemistry changes for the good. And when we’re angry and stressed, our chemistry changes for the bad. So there’s so many things that affect our chemistry outside of what we put in our mouth. Chew and swallow.
It’s not just diet. Now you can see some tremendously quick changes in your chemistry through diet. Perfect example is
if we were, you know, having shots of whiskey right now, probably in seconds, we would change the way our brain actually works. So, you know, definitely
there’s definitely food and chemistry and things we put in our mouth and drug changes that happen affecting the chemistry.
So, looking at nutrition a little bit differently like that and saying, you know, I could actually change my nutrition with the thoughts that I have in my head.
that’s a different way of looking at nutrition. Well, definitely. I mean, that encompasses sort of the mental aspects.
So yeah, what you’re talking about, it sounds like what you’re talking about is that our thoughts have a way to help us control our body, and this is sort of like a mind over matter sort of thing and retraining oneself.
Well, it’s really just pointing to the fact that everything that we do contributes to our chemistry, the choices we make alters our chemistry, and we can make good choices and we can make bad choices. Yeah, it’s very true. It’s very true. Yeah. Nutrition is a huge category. Exercise is a huge category. Sleep is a huge category.
you enjoying the show thus far? One of the many health secrets that we have covered on the show is all around aloe vera. Specifically drinking raw aloe vera. Our aloe vera has helped our customers effectively heal their gut, increase their intestine health, lower inflammation in the body, eliminate and or decrease acid reflux, have glowing skin and hair, and so much more.
Now, as a frequent member of our audience, you will be exposed to exclusive specials and coupon codes for the awesome products manufactured by Haley Nutrition. That’s right, for simply being awesome and tuning in. You can get a mini discount to help you optimize and better your health. To see how we can help and support you on your health journey.
Tune in to the episodes and listen for coupon codes that you can use at haleynutrition.com. Before you make your orders of raw aloe vera. Once again, it’s www.haleynutrition.com. Now back to the show.
Yeah. I also wonder about medications and why we start with them in trusting them so much.
Because a lot of times when children are given medications for their mental or emotional well-being, a lot of times it’s really for the parents. The parents don’t want to deal with the symptoms, so they drug their kids. I’m not saying it’s always that way, but you know,
when Johnny hurt his knee, we gave him pain medication. And when Johnny, you know, bumped his head, we gave him aspirin to relieve as headache.
And Johnny never learned how to deal with pain because we always numbed it because we didn’t want to hear Johnny cry. Yeah, I think there can be some truth to that. Also a guardian ad litem. So I help with foster kids and see what’s going on in the system. And it can be a quite a heartbreaking reality.
Yeah, well, when your mother went through all these challenges, people dying and the changes that happened in
our mid lives and all of those challenges, the marital challenges, someone decided to give her medication or she agreed to take medication. What changes did you notice in her when that happened? I would I mean, if I could just take a bird’s eye view of the whole entire experience at this point in time, I would say that it was like living in a nightmare.
It was absolutely like living in a nightmare. From her first starting to go through, episodes or having a hard time. And listen, Michael, let me tell you this, that I think that for different individuals it can be various different reasons, right? All of us are going to have different stress triggers.
we all have different experiences in life.
Maybe we’ve lost a job. Maybe we lost a loved one. Maybe we’ve been through bad car accidents, illnesses. There’s different stressors in all of our lives. So it’s not that her experience is worse or better than someone else’s. What just made this absolutely terrible is that
we had very good insurance, I guess. And
very bad information.
So unfortunately, the medication didn’t work. So I think overall, my mom was in and out of about 14 mental hospitals over like 16 years. Maybe it was like 16, 15 years. And.
It was just absolutely heart wrenching and heartbreaking for me to watch because my mom had been this absolutely gorgeous woman, waking our kids up in the morning with songs, cooking, breakfast, hosting events. My dad was a politician. She was like, you know, did all the events. She was just sort of this perfect mom, wife person. And then when all these bad things happen, and then mental hospitals and psychiatrists got into the mix, it just went down so fast that it was like a blink of an eye, I guess.
You know, my mom was never, she wasn’t on the side of a medication person I grew up with, like a little bit of a polarity. My dad was always like, you got to take your antibiotic. And my mom was, you know, had these nutrition supplement packs. No, you have to take your vitamins, you know? And she was probably one of the first women in the town to be interested in stretching and yoga.
And, you know, I mean, she went to Bible study, but it was she was just accepting and adventurous and a truth seeker, you know, she was that was just her nature
as a soul, as a spirit in life. And when these medications, blasted our family, so to speak, my mom just wasn’t there anymore. She just wasn’t there.
She became a shell of who she once was, and so
I just got on a quest for holistic mental health. It was hard to watch. It was hard to be a part of. It was heart wrenching. I mean, we would have to hire private investigators trying to find our mom.
When I was younger, it was a terrible experience that I wouldn’t wish upon anyone. So what my sincere hope is now and dream is to get truth to individuals and doctors, right? I mean, I’m aligned with a lot of doctors that look for answers and are willing to work with somebody so that we can avoid disasters. And I look forward to mental hospitals looking like and being equipped with vitamin drips and walks and very healthy habits, sort of things, better food.
And, you know, I mean, maybe this is like hospitals in general, but just so that we’re helping one another instead of punishing and driving somebody down into what could be a really life long disaster. And I think people go through tough things. So people go through stress of losing work, losing loved ones, all sorts of different things. And so what do we do as a society to help somebody when that is occurring?
Well, we take care of them is what we have to do. We have to offer respite. And, you know, a week of good sleep and good food and intravenous vitamin drips and, you know, sort of an assessment of what’s going on in their environment. Where is this stress coming from? Where are these triggers coming from so that someone can get on their feet and go forward and doesn’t feel like they are suffering with this?
I don’t know, like a scorned life now, right? This this like mental illness life. Somebody has to like there I don’t know there’s like not whole anymore or something is almost this concept that exists in society, if you know what I mean. I do, yeah. And it’s almost like, oh, you’re the problem. Not that, you know. No. Well, you’re a human.
No one’s perfect. And we’re all exposed to challenges in life. But how do we treat or help
or interject when someone needs that friend, someone to guide them, walk through with it, with them? Do genes play a role?
Well,
I’m not a doctor, right?
I’m a health and wellness coach, and I just have a lot of lived experience with mental health. I have a different viewpoint on that. I mean, I think that they do until a person can kind of untangle the web of sort of the contagion of aberration from growing up in a family that has lots of unrest going on in it.
Yeah. And you don’t have a different take on it, because that’s kind of my take to, okay. That, that. Well, no, because and I think I have, my wife as an example, had a genetic test and then kind of a consultation, we actually did this on a podcast, and. Well, yeah. And as the guy was walking through her results.
Yeah. One of the, genes was what he called low mood. But in that discussion, it was. But there are things you can do to prevent that gene from being expressed. There’s nutrition that can support you so that that gene is not expressed. And, you know, people that have that particular gene will require more of this particular nutrient as an example.
Yeah. And then that’s why I asked oh I see okay I got it. Yeah. Well so then it sounds like we do have a very, very similar viewpoint on it because you know, that would suggest well okay.
if your mother had that gene then you might have it too. So yeah. And I would hear that from doctors quite like quite regularly one in particular, one of the first ones, it was on the scene because I would go to doctor appointments with my mom and she was fighting on not taking the medication because she wasn’t on
sort of open to medication viewpoint.
And she would say, but how why would you want me to take these? They have bad effects. And, you know, I’d be there with her and I’d be arguing on her behalf. I was kind of like always my mom’s advocate and then the doctor immediately would tell me, well, if anyone has the gene, it’s you, you know, hey, you know, you know what else you had probably the same good insurance.
Yeah, unfortunately, I think that’s true. I mean, overall, my family may have spent over $500,000 on the broken mental health system. Close to a million, for sure. Wow. Pretty crazy. Yeah. I mean, my mom was in super nice facilities out in California with the cascading mountains and the Pacific Ocean, right, with the psychiatrist that has the gorgeous office with glass,
Windows. So it opened up to the ocean, you know, like bunnies jumping on the bright green grass and, you know, infinity pool into the ocean. So
we tried everything. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I brought that up because, genes do play a role in our health and our expression and stuff.
But
they aren’t in control. We. Yeah. They don’t have to be in control in the matter. What was your experience with medicine growing up? You already alluded to the fact that your father was more of, you know, pro medicine and your mom was more of the, yoga
and fruits and vegetables and Bible. I mean, really yoga and religion.
My mom was like, just religion. Yeah. How did you grow up? With medication when, you know, you got hurt or had a ear infection or, you know
What was your reliance on medications?
I think I kind of got the best of both worlds because of how my mom and dad were. My dad was. No, no, you have to take antibiotic.
And my mom is no, take your supplements. So it was a little bit of a balance. So I grew up with a viewpoint that it’s not absolutely necessary. So I mean, I have a son now, so I, I hold the same viewpoint with him, which is if there’s an emergency and there’s something that we can’t solve another way, then we have emergency medicine.
If we don’t have an emergency, then take some niacin or take some vitamin C, or go for a walk like, no, we don’t, I don’t I just don’t I’m not a proponent of, of popping pills to hide something, you know. Yeah, yeah. So you, you know, you mentioned going for a walk a number of times and I think that’s great.
Tell us about the pillars of health and the things that we should be focusing on. Yeah. For me, since I am a wellness coach. And then what I do is try to help somebody really get their body healthy, get those three pillars down right. And I’m going to coach somebody on them staying self-determined. I mean, that’s kind of I think what makes what I do a little bit different than what a lot of people do, because a lot of individuals tell clients or tell the people that they’re choosing to help what exactly to do.
And so for me, since I am not reading a blood test, I’m not a doctor.
I hook up with integrative and functional doctors and chiropractors to get a person to their base level of health. And once we’re there, we are working on mind and soul health. And that’s going to be different for a lot of different people.
But a very big technique that I help people with is called mind muscle exercise. And this is to help a person get more control of their mind and their thoughts. And one way a person can do this is walking. And instead of walking and looking at your phone or talking to somebody that you’re on a walk with, you’re actually walking intentionally to look out at the environment.
So it’s noticing the house, noticing the car, and purposely directing one’s attention to the things in their environment. So that you get the ability to bring your stress level down. So
it’s different from meditation or things like this because you’re not looking inward. The point is to look outward, because sometimes when we look inward, there’s so much stress already there that it’s pretty tough to balance that.
So the point is to look out, you know, there’s something in the scriptures that says,
whatever is good, whatever is excellent, you know, think about such things. And I would imagine as you’re doing that and you’re,
smelling the roses, you’re looking at some of the beautiful things out there instead of, you know, I’m looking at I’m not looking for the problems.
I’m not looking at
the crime. I’m not looking at. Right. Yeah. Just take a break. You know, I mean, looking at birds in the pond. Yeah. I mean, we say things like, we just will tell each other, you know, just take a breath or take a pause. But. And people say, you know, have a healthy mindset and these are,
great viewpoints and good sort of advice.
But this mind muscle exercise give somebody a way to actually do it. So yeah and there’s a couple other things that I teach. If you’re ever interested we can talk about it. But yeah there, there are ways to exercise the mind muscle so that the unconscious mind where the stress is stored and all the unhappy things going on in life is not taking over one’s reality.
Yeah. So once I went through it, what I did with my mom, I just never stopped. I just never stopped on holistic mental health. Like there has to be another way.
it doesn’t make any sense to me that my mom is not getting better. Yeah. You know, I would just be in tears. I would just be in agony and tears, looking for solutions and then begging the doctors like, let’s find another way, let’s find another way.
So yeah, I mean, that’s me. I just never stopped. Yeah. For some of the kids that are on medications for their mental health, what are some of their concerns? Things they should be concerned about, long term detriments from being on medications. Well, it’s there’s a lot of long term detriments for being on medications at this point in time.
we don’t have any studies that show the long term effects of being on a medication longer than I think it’s like eight years. I could be wrong right now because I don’t have the statistics in front of me. Well, we definitely don’t have a 30 year study. And what is often found with children is that a child that’s medicated when they’re younger ends up being a full fledged drug addict when they’re older.
So we are unfortunately creating quite a problem in our society. I mean I think right now we have over 300,000 kids under the age of five that are medicated in the US.
we have millions of kids
that are under the age of 18 that are medicated. And I look forward to, you know, joining with a lot of powerful doctors and changing that reality.
So we have sane mental health policies. I would love for a parent to take their kid to a doctor about their behavior issues. And the doctor says, okay, well, let’s take a blood test and see what’s going on, okay? It could be literally low vitamin D something. So insanely simple, which is fun to make. You just go outside and play in the sun, right?
Yeah. I’m sorry to tell you, ma’am. Your child does not have a mental illness. They have a sun deficiency. Please take them to the park or to the beach today. Yeah. Blue light from the computer screens is not helping you make vitamin D. Yeah, this is true. I remember hearing a comedian and,
She said,
you know, something to the effect of, why don’t you go outside and play tennis or something like that? And they said, what’s tennis? And she said, well, it’s like wii only for real, you know, that’s amazing.
Michael. Yeah, yeah. So Mario, you know, so many kids are just behind the screen with their little handheld shooting bullets. Go outside and throw a football. Play baseball with your friends. I mean totally just be a kid. Yeah I know I feel kind of bad for kids sometimes growing up in this technology era that we live in now.
Yeah, totally. How important is gut health in this. What have you found? I think that there is definitely a connection between brain health and gut health. There’s definitely a connection. I leave that to an individual to figure out for themselves. I will give them options and direct them to medical professionals that can sort all that out. And I focus on coaching them through whatever sort of bugs are going on and just helping them find their truth in their journey.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of truth to doing all the different tests, right? Even live blood cell analysis. I mean, I do that, I mean I do blood test every six months like I follow very strict health policies. I do vitamin drips every couple of weeks. I do NAD intravenously mix with Myers. And then I always make sure to flush it with glutathione.
I mean I don’t know what that is. What’s what’s nad.
I’m not gonna be able to say it right. I’m going to have to look it up the nad if you look it up.
it’s a supplement that gives the body its cellular energy.
A lot of people take it for staying young. Nicotinamide,
I always think it’s a powerful niacin. That’s what I think. And I understand it’s mixed with a lot more amino acids than that. But involved in energy production, DNA repair and cellular health. Yeah.
that’s one of my magic elixirs.
I got super sick years ago with, neurological Lyme, And that really helped me heal my body as well as stem cells and things like that. But yeah. So yeah, I mean, I follow strict health policies and so I share them with people. What I do as sort of, you know, if you want to try this and throw this in your toolbelt, you know, you try it and see if it works for you.
But we’re all individuals. You’re going to have to see exactly what works for you. You know,
some people have terrible sleep issues. I do a whole sleep routine thing with people. But the point is, is that somebody has to figure out is is camomile tea really going to work for them? Like, maybe not. Maybe it’s a walk, maybe it’s a bath, maybe it’s writing, maybe it’s exercise.
You know, like we’re all so different. I, I agree, I love helping people identify the patterns. Meaning you had a bad night sleep last night. What did you do the day before? What did you eat? What did you watch on TV? Whatever it is, something is interfering with your sleep. There’s a cause to not having good sleep. Well, yeah.
And, like, is there like an energy vampire in there mix? Is there somebody around them that is being nasty or narcissistic? You know, that can happen every once in a while. Yeah, I’m in the, aloe vera business. And I think this is interesting. A particular customer I have, purchased is the aloe vera for his racehorses. And when I asked them, I said, why are you giving them aloe vera?
He said, well,
It keeps them calm and well, the, you know, irritable digestion will interfere with your ability to relax and even sleep. Yeah. Of course. And when the digestion is smooth the horses are calm and they race better. They actually run better when their digestion is good and smooth. So this is not something that is in our mind where we think.
So. It’s actually observable even in animals. Good diet, good digestion, good mental calmness.
As a thank you for tuning in to the Dr. Haley Show podcast, I have a special coupon code that can be used throughout the month of September 2025. Get $20 off your purchase of $200 or more at Haleynutrition.com. The coupon code is XXXXXX. That’s XXXXXX and as usual, you can even use this coupon with on sale and already discounted bundled items.
Enjoy the rest of this podcast.
body health is the foundation. It just is. Body health is the foundation. I mean, literally if somebody is going through sickness and illness and I’m sure you see lots of different people going through extreme pain doing what you do with, I don’t know,
do you still do chiropractic?
I do okay. So but aloe vera is, is within it. Yeah. One thing that’s I’ve seen over the years though is when people have a lot of pain, maybe low back pain with an antalgic posture. There’s usually a mental, emotional connection to it. So maybe you have that weakness, but this flares up when you’re having marital challenges or something that’s, you know, significant.
You lost your job and all of a sudden your sciatica is flaring up. Yeah. So there’s a lot of mental, emotional components to pain that need to be dealt with. Definitely
There’s this definite connection between mind and body, for sure. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about how you help people. Who do you help?
How do they get in touch with you? Is it throughout the country give some selfless plugs and where can people go to find out more? Well, anybody can look my name up on Instagram or any of the social handles. Miriam Putnam and it’s P U T N A M I have a website too, and I have a free download if people are interested in getting that.
What do you think you’re how do we get listeners would be most interested in like an overall body, mind and soul or more like truth regarding mental health or what do you think? Well, I want both of them. You want well, it’s mental health wellness journey is basically all the nonprofit resources that I put together in one sheet to help somebody with finding out, you know, or making their own decisions, like reading the truth that is out there documented with different nonprofits, and then hooking up with a Canadian company that actually sells mental health vitamins, which I’ll probably end up working a lot more closely with them soon, where they have coaches who will
get somebody off of psychiatric medications. Oh, that’s fantastic that’s true health. And you know that that aligns perfectly with, you know, my belief in that when you’re on medicine, it’s there to buy time. And the goal is to make the changes so you can get off of them. Yes, definitely. Yeah. I mean, I think the founders of that company lost a child to the broken mental health system.
Believe that that was their story. So sometimes really bad things can happen to propel us to do really good, amazing things. And that is one of the things that I have tried my best to do. Like despite the fact that I miss my mom every day, I am on a mission to speak as much as I possibly can to help as
many people as I possibly can so that they can find real solutions.
Because I remember how tough it was. So it’s amazing. I would like to really acknowledge you for doing this podcast because
you’re here as a beacon of hope to talk about your expertise, talk about what works, talk to other people that are doing it just to give people resources. So you are
you’re being a beacon of hope.
So it’s really awesome. Thank you. And we have similar stories. My, mother died from cancer. And at the time, you know, I was in school to be a chiropractor, and I was just learning these things that there were natural ways of helping health. And I do believe that had I have the knowledge that I have now, back then, I could have tremendously helped her.
Probably helped her. She’d probably still be here today. I do believe that. Don’t know for sure. But, you know,
my father’s still here. Why wouldn’t she be? Right? And at the time, you know, there was a medical route and some things went horribly wrong. So I’ve learned since then. And, yes,
it’s a mission to help people so that they don’t have to go through what we did and see our family members suffer totally.
Well, so yes, we do understand each other.
we both lost our moms to something that we could have
if the energies of the universe had been aligned exactly properly correct, divine timing or however you want to look at it and say it, I could have done more, you know And now I dedicate my work to her.
So how do people get those downloads? So mental health wellness journey If someone’s interested in the non-profits like my basically my younger years and how I sort of found what I ended up finding, like there’s a huge nonprofit called Citizens Commission on Human Rights, and all that nonprofit does is work on, ensuring that there are no abuses in the field of mental health.
So if that means investigating, over medication, Medicaid fraud, changing mental health laws, things like that, that is what they’re focused on. And also, taking abuse reports and filing claims within the legal system of something that
could have been
abuse within the mental health system. So I found them first. And then Mind freedom.
Mind freedom is an awesome nonprofit that, offers respite to individuals that have diagnoses or have some sort of handicap within that arena and allow the person to have their own choices. Basically, you know, no enforcement, and they basically stand on the side of no medication, no electric shock treatment. I mean, the fact that we have electric shock still in our country, it blows my mind.
Like it just absolutely blows my mind. But anyway, so mind freedom. Sorry. Electric shock for treating mental health. We’re not talking about kickstarting, heart. That’s. No, we’re not talking about probably. No, we’re not talking about heart. We’re talking about treating mental quote unquote illness. That’s what we’re talking about with electric shock. Wow. There’s only four states in the US that have banned it.
Yeah. I mean, once we’re off the air and we become friends because I can tell we’re going to become friends, we can talk about what’s going on in Canada.
it’s outrageous. But anyway, so
that download goes over different nonprofits that I found the vitamin company. And anyway, many resources like that. So a person can look into it and decide and make their own decision.
And then there’s also a free download at your wellness checklist where I give sort of ten steps, my top favorite ten steps to body health, mind health and soul health. I like the sound of that nice checklist. Be easier to follow and say, okay, where am your wellness check? What’s my score so to speak? Your wellness checklist.
You talk about being friends. We actually have some common friends. Tell me, Robert Scott Bell. Oh, right. Ashley James awesome. Oh no way. Amazing, yes I do I’ve known Robert for probably 15 years now. Oh, yeah. And he used to be here in South Florida. Okay. So, you know, we go to all the same events and sometimes we were speakers at the same event.
Where are you in South Florida in the Fort Lauderdale area. Okay. Awesome I love the East coast. I love it I grew up over there. You know I feel like Florida is a good place to be. You know I was talking to someone from Chicago yesterday and they were saying that the air is polluted and they kind of look up at the sky and you don’t really see the sky because there’s this constant haze.
And here in Florida, you know, you have the Gulf of America. Yeah. And, you know, we have the, the Atlantic Ocean here. And there’s really air that’s kind of blown across the state from over the water, where there’s not too much happening. We can actually see the sky. We can actually go outside and get good doses of vitamin D.
Yeah. Happiness. Yeah. It’s very true. We’re pretty. We’re pretty blessed in Florida. It’s a little hot, but I don’t mind it. No, that’s part of the detoxification. Yeah, exactly. Just sweat all day, you know. It’ll be better sometimes we go outside and, you know, we pull the weeds and mow the lawn, and we’re just drenched in sweat and, jump in the pool, because who doesn’t have a pool near them somewhere if you don’t have one?
there’s, you know, the city pools or whatever? We have a lot of pools in Florida. And then what I like to do to eventually shut the sweat system off is jump in the cold plunge. Yeah. Just sitting there for ten minutes, and then I can actually go to work without still sweating for the next hour. That’s good.
Do you have a cold plunge at home? I have a poor man’s cold plunge. That’s a chest freezer that has been sealed and filled with water, with a thermal temperature controller. I couldn’t justify going out and spending so much money on a cold plunge, not knowing if I would do it, but my wife and I are pretty committed to it, so we might actually have to make the investment.
You make the investment? Yeah. Okay. Well, good for you. Can have amazing benefits for the body. Yeah. You know, and I think the number one benefit is, is a mental benefit. It’s kind of like if I can get in this and do this
and be okay with it, it seems to empower you to be able to do other things that you would not rather do
Right? To be able to actually stay in a cold plunge for therapeutic amounts of time. You have to really have like that mind over matter thing down like you have like have to have the ability to make a decision and then follow through with it. Yeah. And if the first 30s to a minute, that’s the hard stuff where you’re like, yeah, you know, and you’re yeah, learning to breathe at the same time.
Definitely. I mean when I, when I started doing cold Plunge, I couldn’t stay in at first because it was so deathly cold and I had to actually I was going to a wellness clinic. This is something that I advise people to do, find their favorite wellness clinic and just make it part of your routine. If you can.
So I started doing cryo ease Have you heard of cryo ease? What is it? So this this wellness clinic that I found is such a beautiful place because they are also a nonprofit. And getting into helping veterans avoid the terrible situation that we have, which is over medication of our veterans right now. And so they offer holistic modalities as an alternative to whatever medication the person has been taking.
But this cryo ease gets down to like 200 negative. So it’s a huge container that you get in. And so what I would do is I would go there a couple times a week to train myself, like, okay, that’s it, you have to deal with the cold. And then I was able to do the cold plunge. So it’s like cold only air instead of water.
Exactly. Interesting. Only a lot colder. But it’s a lot it’s a lot, a lot colder. I mean, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I have a form of that that I go in every day and, I’m at the aloe office. And so when it’s packing time, I get to go get the heavy stuff, all the buckets of aloe. So we’re just at zero degrees Fahrenheit.
But I’m in and out of that freezer all day long. Good for, you know, like body shock to the system and like, nope, you’re not taking over. I’m still in control. But now I can count it as therapy instead of just work. Yeah. I mean, sure,
if it works and it’s healthy and it doesn’t hurt, then you know, it’s improving the stats as far as our body goes, why not?
Miriam, what should I have asked you that I didn’t?
I don’t know, I mean, this is your show. You’re welcome to ask anything that you want. I mean, I don’t know, I I’m what should you have asked? It’s a good question. I mean, you guys don’t want to leave anything out that may have been important because, you know,
it’s conversational and we’re having a good time and hopefully providing a I know we’re providing a value.
We’re giving people things to think about and direction that they can take. But I don’t want to because it’s not my area of expertise. I don’t want to leave anything out. So if there was anything that I should have asked. No, I think you’re perfect. I mean, I think overall, like, since I’m just launching this online course that I did and I’m starting to write a book, just communicating with you and aligning with like minded individuals and makes my heart happy.
You know, I have a course now. It’s called freedom from stress. So it goes over body health, mind health and soul health. And I mean, I present, a new way of thinking about things. And I don’t mean you and I are definitely on the same page as far as body health and not hurting lets help. But in my private practice, I actually help people get rid of their stress so I can take the negativity and turn it into positivity.
But I don’t even get into working on those sort of things. When a person doesn’t have a healthy body, because
that’s the foundation. And, you know, I, I love it, I love what I do. I love to see somebody really not doing well about something. And then by the next couple sessions, they’re themselves again.
It’s so beautiful. It’s probably one of the things you like about your work. Do you love that you can help somebody go from terrible to really doing? Okay? Again, you know, the best paycheck is the feedback from the people we help. Yeah, that just lights me up. Yeah. And to me
that’s actually a good thing to include in your mental health, doing something that people are going to appreciate.
And thank you for. Yeah. Right. It’s very true. A lot of times I’ll tell somebody like, is there a nonprofit that you’re connected to? You know, is there a way that you can schedule something like that? Is there an area that interests you? Because a lot of times when we’re around other people helping and I don’t know, whatever it is like serving food
to people in need or helping raise money at an event to help children with all of their needs to be met.
It can just be very gratifying. Yeah, and it could be something quick and stupid and easy. Such as, yeah, well, I’m going grocery shopping and I happen to be walking by this person that just emptied their cart. Hey, can I take that back for you? The truth is, is I actually needed the cart myself anyway. But. Yeah, but just, like looking around, right?
And, like, how can I help today? And they think, oh, that’s so nice. I don’t have to walk it back to the cart thing. They weren’t going to anyway. They were going to just lift the front wheels up and make sure it didn’t roll away from the curb. There. Yeah, I know, I know, I hear you, but when somebody is going through extreme stress and body illness,
whatever it may be, it’s hard for them to think like that.
So it’s sort of like it’s definitely not step one. Definitely not step one. And you know what I’ve found? I think like probably 80 to 90% of the time when there is a mental illness, drug or a symptom that is not going away, it’s usually found in the body. It’s found in the body. It’s either liver toxicity.
Could be a gut brain thing, right? Could be an extreme allergy. It could be extreme deficiency in minerals and vitamins. So unfortunately, you know, a lot of people are on medication that are making their health, their body health condition worse. Yeah. And it could be something completely undiagnosed. And they don’t even know about it. Yeah. So that’s always the first step that I do
with anybody that is has gone the psychology psychiatry route or medical route of medicating the symptoms is, is I always just say, well let’s just get you with a doctor.
You choose, you choose whichever doctor you want so that we can find what is going on with the body. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Miriam, thank you so much for joining us. And this was definitely enlightening and thought provoking. Thank you so much for having me, Michael. And, hopefully we’ll see each other again soon I agree. Yes, I love that you’re such a health warrior.
Thank you for doing this for people and being a beacon of hope. Thank you.
I hope you enjoyed that episode today on the Dr. Haley Show. Make sure to hit subscribe on whichever platform you are listening to this. If this episode made you think of someone, go ahead, take a screenshot and share this exact episode with them. You can catch the show notes for this episode on drhaley.com. If you want to geek out with Dr. Michael Haley on other radical health topics.
Be sure to check out his YouTube channel where he posts exclusive video content. All the details are at drhaley.com and we can’t wait to hang out with you on the next episode.
———————–
