Today’s guest is Dr. Guerry Grune. Guerry is a surfer and chemical engineer. His surfer life revealed the dangers of excessive sun exposure and his chemistry knowledge revealed the dangers of toxic chemicals and hormone disruptors in cosmetics. this inspired him to figure a way to make a safe sunscreen that actually worked, applied easily, and lasted in the water. Through his efforts he developed such a product and named it “3rd Rock Sunblock” with the help of his 13 year old daughter. Eventually the creation of additional products with the same standards bloomed into 3rd Rock Essentials. this episode is sort of a geeky product review.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro Snip
00:16 Dr. Haley Show Intro
00:48 Introduce Dr. Guerry Grune
02:06 Introduce Nutroleum Lip Balm with beeswax
05:06 Dr. Guerry Grunes credentials
09:51 How did 3rd Rock Sun Block come to be the world’s best sunscreen?
11:15 Are Sunscreens Safe? by Margaret Schlumpf from University of Zurich
21:23 the patented zinc Oxide Complex made with L-Arginine
23:35 which rays does Zinc Oxide filter, uva or uvb? and which rays are the cancer causing rays?
24:15 What is the difference between zinc oxide and titanium dioxide (TIO2) in sunscreen?
25:15 What is SPF, Sun Protection Factor and what does it mean?
25:45 How is UVA rays dangerous?
32:37 What chemicals should we tolerate and what are “Earth Grown Ingredients”?
33:42 What is the difference between synthetic and non-synthetic
36:04 What is D3+K2?
39:21 What is chelation?
40:28 What is the Hi-Z Chelated Zinc Oxide?
41:16 Why did you make this Zinc Oxide product and what other forms are there and what is best?
44:54 What is Nutrasporin?
47:51 What killed Muhamad Ali?
48:12 What strains of bacteria are killed by your chelated silver oxide product?
48:27 study of 12 women with urinary tract infectins (UTI) getting results with topical application of chelated silver oxide.
50:20 How safe is consumming chelated silver oxide when it comes to potentially killing off healthy gut flora?
52:15 Case example of ingesting chelated silver oxide to treat food poisoning
55:40 Should I buy concentrated silver or diluted ready to drink silver?
57:00 Here are some common topical applications of silver in a spray bottle
1:00:27 What is the difference between 3rd Rock Essentials Silver Infusion Silver Oxide Dietary Supplement and the colloidal silver?
1:03:40 can you nebulize silver?
1:08:46 Do the chelated silver oxide products expire?
TRANSCRIPT
Well, let’s just say all three of us are Caucasian, all three of us 20 minutes in the sun, let’s just say 20 minutes in the sun. We start to turn pink. When we start to turn pink, our body is telling us you’re getting burnt. You know, you probably ought to get out of the sun.
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You are listening to the Dr. Haley Show podcast. I’m Dr. Michael Haley. Today’s guest is Dr. Guerry Grune. Guerry is a surfer and chemical engineer. His surfer life revealed the dangers of excessive sun exposure, and his chemistry knowledge revealed the dangers of toxic chemicals and hormone disruptors in cosmetics. This inspired him to figure out a way to make a safe sunscreen that actually worked; that applied easily and lasted in water. Through his efforts, he developed such a product and, with the help of his 13 year old daughter, named it 3rd Rock sunblock. Eventually, the creation of additional products with the same standards bloomed into 3rd Rock essentials. This episode is sort of a geeky product review. Guerry’s high standards makes him a customer at Haley Nutrition, and my high standards made me a customer of 3rd Rock essentials. I only wish I had known of them sooner. Enjoy the show.
Guerry, I want to thank you for joining us today, and I want to thank you for sending those awesome products. I have them right here and I this is kind of a product review. And some of them we have questions about because we’re not sure what they are. Right. But the first one that Michelle had tried was the lip balm.
Oh, yes.
Michelle, Hi.
Yeah. Sorry I didn’t introduce you.
That’s okay.
And I was upstairs here, and I heard her from downstairs say, oh, I love the lip balm.
Well, that’s a good thing to hear.
Yes, it’s a good one.
So I’m assuming that you used the nutroleum product that has the beeswax in it, which is the water resistant version.
Yep.
That would be this one.
Yep. Yeah, that’s the water resistant version. There’s also a water soluble version. One has beeswax. One doesn’t.
And this one definitely has beeswax. Right? Yeah.
I don’t know if it’s water resistant. Then it has beeswax.
Because both of us are holding it at a distance. Oh, there it is.
Yeah, well, it is small. Water resistant. Water resistant. Resistant. Yeah. So that that has. So what makes it water resistant is the beeswax.
Okay. Tastes good too.
Yes, yes it does. I call it synthetic honey. There’s nothing synthetic about it. So, that product was a mistake in the laboratory.
No way.
Oh, great.
Now, the funny thing is,
Go ahead. I’m sorry.
I was going to say I’m typically the one that uses, like, a chapstick type product on my cuticles. To me, that’s like the place for it. And it feels great there.
Yeah. Well, so what happened was it was because everything came because of the sunscreen. But what happened was we used glycerin, vegetable, base, which is palm oil based, extracted glycerin, which is, USP grade kosher glycerin and USP US pharmaceutical grade. Sorry. And we mix that with something called Satara glycosides. Satara glycoside is an emulsifier. But it’s a plant fat. So if you’ve ever boiled vegetables and you’ve ever seen the little globules that come to the top of the boiling pot. that mixture of the glycerin and the Satara Glucoside makes a really cool gel. It wasn’t cool from the fact that it gelled and we can’t make sunscreen with the gel, but it was because we were prepping for the sunscreen. And we added too much Satara Glucoside And there it is, the gel that you see. so we patented it, of course, because I do patent work for a living. I’m a registered patent agent. so that is a patented product. It is food grade edible. All of our products are. And to make it water resistant, we add beeswax, which is high mountain desert beeswax from one farm in Arizona.
That’s pretty cool. You know, it’s funny. I think a lot of the best products in the world were actually invented by mistake. You know, I think that’s how wine was invented.
Right.
Yeah. That’s pretty amazing. Yourself. Now, what’s your training? You’re a chemist. Okay. So. Yeah. So I’m, I’m actually sitting at Duke University where I did my undergraduate degree, and, because I teach year too, I teach the Masters of Engineering management program. So I have a BSME, which is a bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering materials science. But I also double majored in chemistry. So when I graduated, Duke, I went to work for a couple of years at Celanese. Then I went back to school at UMass Amherst and got my master’s degree in chemical engineering. and then I took a job at IBM in the Research Triangle Park in North Carolina. I then, qualified for what they call the resident study program at IBM. They paid for my doctorate at NC state in chemical engineering. I left IBM after 13 years and I became the sustainability director for transmission and distribution on Centennial Campus at NC State University. That lasted a few years until I got an offer. I couldn’t refuse to go to Chesapeake, Virginia to work for the Mitsubishi Chemical, which is Mitsubishi Chemical America. And then I became a registered patent agent and did all the patent development work for Mitsubishi in the United States. And working with the Japanese, of course, and learned a lot about the Japanese patent system and then started my own company Sunblock Incorporated, and I also started up a biofuels company, all of which involved people from either the Research Triangle Park in North Carolina or some of the people that I’ve worked with over the years in the health and wellness space.
But you’re no longer 3rd rock sunblock. You’re third
We’re third. Right. Well, 3rd Rock sunblock Incorporated is the company. But we’re doing business as 3rd Rock essentials because you decided to add some other products.
Right. So here’s what exactly right. It all started just with sunscreen. And that’s all we made for the first few years. And all we made was the aroma therapeutic version. And then we, we realized a lot of people like unscented. So we said, well, we’re just not add the rosemary and the frankincense, and then all these other things happened, like the lip balm that you and Michelle like. So, all of that, like I said, some of it were mistakes in the lab. Some of them were created out of request or need. And that’s how 3rd Rock essentials grew out of 3rd Rock sunblock.
Okay, Michelle, I want you to be completely transparent. And what was your. What did you say to me about the sunblock?
It’s okay. We got a lot of we got a lot of, negative, feedback because there’s a lot of things about sunscreen people.
well
let me let me and you can figure out how you’re going to say this, because we set out to make the world’s healthiest sunscreen. we didn’t want chemicals in it. And it’s funny because you’re a chemist and you don’t use chemicals, but you avoid them at all costs, which is kind of funny because I speak chemistry.
You know, I could speak Sp2 to Sp3, hybridization and isomers and all kinds of stuff.
Sure.
But I was never a chemist. I never, you know, was a laboratory person. You mixing these together? I never had the, you know, laboratory experience that you, I would assume, have.
Oh, yeah.
With your history. And then somehow you learn to abandon that, to make things that avoided all that. So when we worked with people that had your kind of knowledge in the chemistry and they would say, well, you got to put this in, we’ll figure out some way to do it without putting that in it. And we tried to work with the chemists to avoid all the chemicals.
Right.
And we came up with something that worked really well.
Right.
But it didn’t spread nicely. And it was a challenge. And, you know, we found out eventually expired. We didn’t sell it fast enough.
Right?
I’m told that it doesn’t actually expire, that the zinc oxide doesn’t expire, but it actually starts caking at some point in time. I believe Oddly ours never really caked, but it did the same thing it did from the start because it would never spread really nicely. Anyway,
right
now, with all of that said, and you know, we didn’t want to add water, we wanted to use only aloe in place of water when we made it
That was my goal originally as well.
All right. So with that, what did you say?
I said that I liked yours better than ours.
Oh, that’s a good thing. And again, of course that’s very subjective.
So let me explain our sunscreen, because I think that’s really what you want to hear a little bit about. Right.
Yeah. Well, we have questions about a lot of the products here.
Okay. Well do you want to start with the sunscreen or something else.
Yeah. Yeah. Let’s start okay
okay.
so first of all, the way this all started was I surf. So I had two young guys that got melanoma different times. Different doctors got told the same thing at age 20. They got told keep surfing. You’ll get melanoma again. They stopped surfing at age 20, one was actually 17 when he was diagnosed. The other was 20. He was surfing with us regularly at the Outer Banks, So at the same time that that happened, that I learned how to surf, which was not till I was 30. And these were younger kids that I was surfing with. And I always learn something from younger people. I didn’t expect to learn that. I also went to Australia in 1992 and in Australia, if you may remember, I don’t feel I don’t know if you’re well, Michelle’s definitely too young. You might be older. But, you might remember they had an ozone issue. There was a big ozone hole over Australia, and it was a big deal. Well, when I was there, all they talked about was the UV index and the pollution. Unfortunately, in, Bondi Bay and those areas. So they were using titanium dioxide in their sunscreens. And I brought some back with me thinking, you know, why don’t we use that in the United States? Well, that was 1992. Fast forward to 2000, and in 2000, I was already working up here in Virginia Beach. Well, I’m in Durham today, but in Virginia Beach, where I live. And so, there was an article. I’m an ACS member of American Chemical Society. As a member, you get a weekly journal front page cover. Was “Are sunscreens safe?” This is 2000. Okay. And I started reading the article was by Margaret Slump, who was a toxicologist at the University of Zurich in Switzerland. And her, paper was on the fact that she was lathering the back of female rats with organic, quote unquote, organic, transparent sunscreens. And the rats the female rats uterus was growing abnormally large, and she determined they were all endocrine disruptors, female mimicking hormones. I didn’t know anything about that. I’m not a toxicologist, and I’m certainly not a biochemist. But I knew one thing I didn’t want female mimicking hormones on my male body, and I certainly didn’t want that in the presence of the sun, because I was concerned that, you know, I might get skin cancer, too. And so when we at that time, people were already starting to question, you know, Are sunscreens safe, am I better off with no sunscreen, that kind of thing. And it’s come full circle here 20 years later, 24 years later. So I actually wrote a patent application, got it granted on a non endocrine disrupting cytoprotective immuno enhancing sunscreen. And that is a lot. And so my goal was to license it or sell it to some big company. And that wasn’t happening. So I started working in my garage to make the sunscreen. And I started out with, Burt’s Bees formula stuff, because Burt’s at the time was the 800 pound gorilla in the natural personal care space. And I liked using their base to make my sunscreen, but I didn’t know what the heck I was doing, so I had to get mixing equipment, which I borrowed from my lab at Mitsubishi. I had to get, a place to make it, and I had to start experimenting with exactly what you said, aloe and zinc. And I made an aloe and zinc combination, and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t. And most of the time it didn’t. And I tried it on my wife and kids at the time, and they suffered. So I said, well, I can’t keep doing it that way. So then I started trying to get people like Bocci Labs to make it for me, and they were all old school chemists who didn’t understand the concept of non endocrine disrupting and they didn’t understand that it had to be food grade edible. And we say if you wouldn’t put it in your mouth, why would you put on your skin. Your skin is your biggest organ. So all of those requirements they didn’t get it. So at the same time, my kinesiologist chiropractor, I think I mentioned to you, Doctor John Schmidt, And John said, I want to help you with the sunscreen. Let’s see what we can do to make it proactive and make it immuno enhancing. And that’s where the rosemary and the frankincense came in for the aroma therapeutic version. But as you know, aloe also is a protectorate against precancerous lesions and cancer itself. Skin cancer, and other, of course drinking it is different than applying it, but still, your skin is your biggest organ. So when we did all that, we realized in testing over 200 patients that the rosemary and frankincense combination muscle tested positive. And I am a scientist and an engineer, and I don’t believe in hokey stuff. So I wanted to prove that my ability to understand the neuro muscular response from the nose and the mouth going straight to the brain, which is very powerful if that’s really scientifically also capable of being understood. What we did was we took all of the non-active ingredients that you would put into a sunscreen, and we tested them both for muscle testing and for something which is a bioassay, because Doctor Schmidt’s first client is Doctor George Clarke, who actually lives and works in Durham as a lab. And he determined using a bioassay with luciferase enzymes, whether something is an endocrine disruptor or not, down to the ten to the -16th power. We published that paper in the Journal of Toxicology in 2005. I did not get to go to present the paper in San Diego because my daughter’s birthday was that week, and I think she was turning five or something. And so the people that presented it, one person who presented it, John Gordon, came back and told me that, L’Oreal came up after the talk and said, we’re glad you didn’t put our information in there about our sunscreen. So in that journal Toxicology report, which I’m happy to disseminate to anybody you want, including yourselves, we showed there is a correlation between muscle testing and endocrine disruption, which is our definition of toxicity. Is cell death. And when cells die, what happens in that bioassay is the, luminescence from the luciferase enzyme, which is fireflies. Lightning bugs use that to light up. That dims the light. So if the cells die, they become dark and the light doesn’t fluoresce through it as readily as it would without that. So that was my way of proving and putting in my patent that I could prove that we had a endocrine disrupting substance. Very important to me. I don’t believe in phyto estrogens either. We don’t use soy, we don’t use any compounds in our products that are phyto, estrogenic based, with one exception in that we are changing the formula one, which is, our liver cleanse product. We’ll get to that later. So then the challenge was, what am I going to do? I know I want to use zinc only. Mark Mitchnick had several patents and became a billionaire selling those patents to BASF for something called zinc coat, which is the first nanotechnology product really on the market, which is zinc oxide. pure Zinc oxide. The problem with zinc coat is that it’s not surface treated. And when they did start surface treating it, they started surface treating it with silicone oil. while Burt’s Bees hired me to become their SPF director in 2005 to 2007, when negotiated for 18 months, and then at the end of 2007, they sold the company to Clorox for $987 million. It turns out Burt’s Bees is also listed right here, right down the street in Durham, North Carolina. That’s their headquarters. Well, what happened was I got a call from Celeste Lutrario She was the, chemist, the head chemist for Burt’s at the time that I started working with them. And she said, we can’t use your zinc. It’s got silicone oil in it. And I said, Celeste, it’s not got silicone oil on its surface, treated with silicone oil so that it doesn’t, turn into oatmeal. Well, I didn’t know about the oatmeal part, so I naively said, okay, Celeste, I’ll make it without the silicone treated surface. I’ll just make it with pure zinc oxide and everything else. So I would ship them the product that I made. This is like a nine month period of development of the product with Burt’s Bees. And, about two weeks, three weeks later, would turn into oatmeal. And the reason for that is zinc oxide. When you don’t treat the surface of it somehow it is a very strong catalyst. It’ll react with everything and anything. So now I had a dilemma. I couldn’t use a surface treated, synthetic composition on the surface of the zinc oxide. And you know what they say necessity is the mother of invention. So what did I do? I started a way of making the zinc oxide not turn into zinc hydroxide, which is what happens for all minerals sunscreens, whether it’s zinc or titanium, they both turn into zinc hydroxide or titanium hydroxide, which is a salt. It is not a metal oxide anymore. So Chuck Freedman opened the lab. He was the guy who did all the Burt’s Bees formulations. I met him, he became a friend. I worked in his lab one night. We’re working together after hours, of course, because I had a full time job. And he said, you know, I started measuring the pH, and I realized that the pH of zinc oxide in water starts becoming alkaline. And he said to me, I think you’re making zinc hydroxide. Brilliant. Brilliant chemist, smart guy, knowing what he was doing. So I was making zinc hydroxide. So I found this paper goes back to my original discussion about my background. The Journal of Polymer Science from 1972, published by some people from Japan, showed that at a pH of between 9 1/2 and 10 1/2, you can’t make zinc hydroxide, and at a pH of 2 to 3, you can’t make zinc hydroxide. It’s zinc oxide. So now I knew I had to get my pH not too acidic, but, alkaline, which is 9 1/2 at least. And how was I going to do that? And also make sure that what I used was food grade edible. Turns out my choice was L-arginine, which is an amino acid, as you probably know, a very healthful amino acid. And so what I do is I chelate the zinc oxide with L-arginine. It brings the pH above 9 1/2 so that I can’t make zinc hydroxide. And, I’m the only person on the planet that does it. In fact, if you’d see me three days ago, you would have been laughing at me. On Saturday, we had to chelate and centrifuge our zinc oxide.
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So we make a very, very special patented, of course, zinc oxide complex using L-arginine, which prevents it becoming zinc hydroxide so that it never, ever, ever turns into zinc hydroxide. Which is why you saw and see mineral sunscreens that turn into toothpaste over time. Our product that you have, I have in my garage from ten years ago. It hasn’t changed in ten years. It’s still the same lotion, the same. Now. There’s another thing about it. We don’t use water very much. We use water to chelate. But 70% of that product is glycerin. It’s not water. And that’s why I was worried about what Michelle would say, because there’s no other sunscreen on the planet that uses 70% glycerin. They all, and I mean all use 70% water for two reasons. Water’s free. Almost. Glycerin is definitely not free. And because it has a different esthetic feel. So when you put a sunscreen on your skin, it evaporates. This product will never evaporate. Glycerin doesn’t even have a boiling point. It has a decomposition in temperature of above 320°F, so it will never, ever, ever evaporate. So whatever you take out of that little bottle is going to be on your skin. What does that mean? It’s not good for us money wise. We don’t make a lot of money on sunscreen because a little dab will do you. You don’t need anywhere near as much sunscreen as you would normally lather on yourself, because it’s not water based. It’s glycerin based, so it spreads way differently. But when it’s on, it’s on for good in an arid environment, which you guys are in Florida, I know; in an arid environment, you wouldn’t believe how long it lasts. You can swim all day in Vegas in a swimming pool, and you’ll still have it on at the end of the day.
Wow.
So a zinc oxide sunscreen that actually is going to stay on you when you go in the water.
Yep. We say we’ve made what the lifeguards put on their nose into a lotion, because what the lifeguards put on their nose is pure zinc oxide, and we have pure zinc oxide in our product. Now, there’s a huge benefit to that in terms of skin cancer. The huge benefit is that UVA is what causes DNA damage, aging and wrinkling, and UVA is what causes skin cancer, not UVB. I mean, UVB overexposed for many, many years, maybe. But let me explain. So UVB and UVA, two different wavelengths. Now I have a plot on my website and the plot in the brochure I sent you that shows other mineral sunscreens. It has a green line, a blue line, a red line. It shows absorbance. The absorbency over UVB and UVA. Zinc oxide is the best. It’s way better than TiO2 titanium dioxide. It’s also better than any of the mineral sunscreens, When light hits them, they start to decompose the zinc and titanium dioxide, especially zinc oxide, does not decompose titanium dioxide. There’s some papers that say, well, maybe it does split apart. But anyway, why is this important? Well, let’s just say all three of us are Caucasian, all three of us. 20 minutes in the sun, let’s just say 20 minutes in the sun. We start to turn pink. When we start to turn pink, our body is telling us you’re getting burnt. You know, you probably ought to get out of the sun. And it turns out your body would. You probably know this. Your body needs about 20 minutes of sunlight, direct sunlight to get all the vitamin D you need for the day. So your body’s basically saying, look, you got all the vitamin D you need for the day. Get out of the sun. Well, you know, the older I get, the longer it takes me to get in the water. But it takes me 20 minutes to get in the water. By that time, I’m by definition overexposed. On a day like yesterday or today where the sun’s out. So the point being that SPF is sun protection factor. Everybody thinks, oh, I need 30 or I need 40, I need 50. And turns out the FDA doesn’t even allow it to be higher than 50 plus anymore. But what does that mean? So let’s just say you buy an SPF 30 product. Ours is 35 plus. Doesn’t matter. Let’s just make it simple 20 minutes times sun protection factor 30 is 600 minutes of protection from the sun. You’re nodding. You understand? That’s ten hours. Well guess what? First of all, you’re not getting ten hours protection from any sunscreen that I know of because most of it’s going to evaporate off your skin in the first place. But let’s just say you got that it has only to do with UVB. It has nothing to do with UVA, not anything to do with UVA, UVA, or the long, penetrating wet rays. I call them the silent killer rays that penetrate the dermis and the epidermis, the epidermis first, and the dermis and can cause DNA damage. Well, what does that mean? Mutation of the cells eventually not only aging and wrinkling and skin spots or whatever you want to call them, but if your immune system is impaired skin cancer, like my buddies who were probably eating at McDonald’s every day, who’s immune system was depressed for some reason, right? Because they’re young. They didn’t have it in their family. Why else were they getting, skin cancer? They were getting overexposed. None of the sunscreens they were using, if they were using any at all at work. And of course, they were concerned about nothing because there were 20. So my point is, you know, if you’re going to make a sunscreen, it’s got to be not only UVB, but UVA absorbance or reflectance or both, because, as you probably know, zinc oxide and titanium dioxide also act as tiny mirrors, so they reflect sunlight as well as absorb it, whereas the mineral sunscreens only absorb it. And when they absorb it, they break apart into toxic stuff like benzene, which last year was the big thing. Oh, all of a sudden they found benzene in sunscreens. Well, that’s really not what happened. What happened was they were formulating the sunscreen with things like Avobenzone, oxybenzone. And when those molecules split, benzene is one of the molecules that comes off of that splitting. so that’s a lot to take in. But that’s the science behind the sunscreen that I’ve learned over the years. I didn’t know this when I started out, and I certainly didn’t consider myself an expert in making sunscreens. In fact, I was told by everybody, you’ll never make a pure all zinc oxide sunscreen. And of course, you know, I like a challenge, right? So, so I said, well, never for a long time. I figure I can do it, but I talked to all the right people. I talked to Mark Mitchnick and his group up in Pennsylvania. And of course, Mark was the guy who really invented, nano zinc oxide to make it quote unquote, transparent. But as you both found out, and no, making a transparent zinc oxide sunscreen is essentially impossible unless you’re cheating. So our product is 23.5% zinc oxide. And what you put on your skin at first is white, but then you see that it absorbs in and the whiteness goes away. And the reason for that is, again, it’s pure zinc oxide. It’s not a salt. And it’s never going to turn into some like oatmeal toothpaste thing. And of course, by that time, Burt’s Bees had long ago canceled the contract with me because they didn’t want any loose ends before they sold the Clorox. so my attorney said, you know, you can try and do something with the contract you said, but they’ll try to steal your IP. And if you think you have something better than anything that Clorox is going to pay you, so just go and commercialize it. Well, you know, it took me ten years to do that, but eventually, you know, you get there. So, the sunscreen, as you have found out, is very different. You need very little. We say just rub a little bit between your hands and then apply to your face because it’s a better way to spread it. And also in a cold environment, glycerin. And that is a big problem with glycerin. Glycerin in a warm environment in Florida this time of year, it’s almost water like. But if you and if you leave it in the car, it’s pure water like. But the viscosity changes with temperature. So when you bring it to your favorite ski resort, it’s a lot thicker consistency. So you really got to rub and then put it on, which a lot of people understand wouldn’t bother with that, you know, and making a spray I’ve done that. I’ve made a spray out of this product. The problem with the spray is two things. One is it clogs the nozzle because it’s zinc oxide. And the other problem with the spray is that, it doesn’t really give you the SPF values that you need to make the FDA happy, whether you know it or not. And I think you do, because you’ve been making sunscreen. The FDA requires at least three things, right? You have to have SPF testing, which is expensive, time consuming, and very, erratic, I would say the SPF numbers. So that’s one thing you have to do. You have to have a shelf stable products. So they ask for stability. And then you have to have the micro challenge work done so that no bugs grow in it. Well, of course, with our sunscreen, we don’t need an, an anti-bacterial substance, although the zinc oxide by itself is. But the reason we don’t is because the pH is nine and a half. There are, hardly any bugs that will grow in an alkaline environment like that. The other thing about an alkaline environment, which I’m sure you’ve heard, Doctor Warburg established this back in the late 20s, 30s, 40s. cancer cells can not grow in an alkaline environment. So that’s another plus to have an alkaline based sunscreen. But again, all those things were, were learned over time.
I would like to sell this here.
We could do that.
Yeah. And I like both. I like the scented and even the non scented has like just a clean, clean smell to it. It’s really nice.
Yeah. It’s Well so we buy all of our raws and at one time I was using aloe1 for aloe, for the sunscreen. But I was like, well, I don’t know. I think the problem was I wanted to make sure, for example, that I had food grade edible only and, you know, Lily of the desert stuff even that has sodium and potassium. Sorbate. Right. So I was like, well, I better keep using just pure aloe. So I do and, and so that’s one of the things I don’t use reconstituted aloe like a lot of these sunscreen companies where they, they actually take powdered aloe and then they add water to it add water it. Right. And then, of course, the other thing is we don’t source anything out of any place like China. we get gamma resin all from France. We get our L-arginine from Japan. And so, you know, it’s really hard to find, good sources of, you know, raws so that all of it is not contaminated. And we’ve been tempted many times to save money to buy raws, but in every case, the quality control on them is horrible. I got long stories about L-arginine that we got from China. Horrible stuff. I mean, it’s just bad.
The one thing you alluded to also is the fact that they have subcomponents. They have they come with ingredients. You’re buying a raw ingredient, like if you you’re I’m buying aloe vera, but there’s other stuff in it when I’m getting it from a chemical company.
That’s exactly right. Well, you know, without chemicals, life itself would be impossible. We like to say so. So, so Burt’s bees said we are chemical free. And I said, no, you’re not chemical free. You’re you might be toxic free, but I don’t know about chemical free. As if everybody know what H2O is a chemical and that’s water. And you’re still going to use water. So. So I like to say that, you know, I had to come up with a way in the patent literature because, you know, patents were all about lexicography, you know, making up proper words. So I started to say, look, it has to be earth grown ingredients Only now those earth grown ingredients are chemical compositions, but they’re not synthetic because they’re not necessarily made by man. However, almond oil. Most people consider almond oil, especially these organic almond oil, to be a natural, you know, organic ingredient. But the problem is, I’ve never seen a pool of almond oil on the planet, so even almond oil has to be, you know, manufactured, right? It has to you have to do something to it to get the oil out of it. Right. So Burt’s Bees, you know, said, well, we’re non synthetic. I said, well you have to define what that is. Because I’m data driven. I’m an engineer. I’m not an a chemist, I’m an scientist. And, you know, I’m a, I’m a little bit too much of a nerd for these people, right? Because, you know, green is a marketing term. As I teach in my class here at Duke. And nanotechnology, again, what is nanotechnology? These all are good marketing terms for the general public. But when push comes to shove, how do you really make something that’s, you know, really nontoxic and quote unquote, it can be quote unquote chemical free, but, but that doesn’t really mean anything to somebody who’s a chemist. Right. So, so I had a really come up with a way to, to really stick by what it was that the patent said, which is Earth grown ingredients only. Now, of course, L-arginine is synthetic because let’s face it, you’re not growing L-arginine in a plant or a tree. You have to you have to extract it. Same thing with, Jojoba oil, which we use, olive oil, which we use. Those were all extracted oils. And as you probably also know, some of these oils were extracted with hexane. Well, hexane definitely is toxic. In fact, hexane is sort of, the main component of gasoline. but the problem is, you know, you don’t have to buy it that way, but, you know, so olive oil can be extracted and the good stuff we buy is using water. Same thing with, jojoba oil. You can use water to do extraction and as your solvent rather than hexane. And so those are important considerations because we had to go and get, Leaping Bunny certified, which was not easy. It took us 18 months. And with Leaping Bunny, you had to go all the way back to the source of the source of the source. In other words, you have to go all the way back to the original manufacturer. Where do they source the L-arginine from to begin with? In other words, how are they making L-arginine? And of course, if you can imagine going through Ajinomoto, which is a Japanese company we get it from, and getting them to fill out the paperwork wasn’t easy. they didn’t want to fill out that paper. In fact, they can’t find somebody in the company even knows how to fill out the paperwork. Anyway, so we got Leaping Bunny approval about, 6 or 7 years ago, and then Peta. Peta loves us because of it. Because no animal testing. So Leaping Bunny is sort of together with Peta about making sure there’s no animal testing.
Right?
Yeah.
So anyway,
let me ask you about another one of them.
Sure, sure. D3+k2 okay, so D3+k2. So first of all, I didn’t know this. I well,
First of all, how do we use this?
Well, it’s a great question.
So do I need to give it a shake?
Not really. You could, but I mean, it’s pretty it’s pretty, homogeneous. But yeah, you could say okay, and then there’s no reason not to shake it.
What where the directions?
I didn’t read the directions.
Well, okay. Well, the bottom line is you can’t overdose on D3+K2. Really. But that d3+k2 is made with citric acid. So we chelate the D3 with citric acid, and then we add the K2 and we solubilized all. And that’s what you got there. And you know, we recommend like an eye dropper full a day but of course, again, you know, in sunny Florida where you’re getting 20 minutes of daylight, how much vitamin D do you need? Of course, in the wintertime when it gets dark early and you’re in the northern hemisphere, you’re going to need vitamin D. Well, I also found out by a lot of reading that, without K2, vitamin D absorption is pretty minimal. So what we did with this was we I said, well, I can make it even better. I can make the absorption even better. So we chelated it with citric acid. Citric acid is part of the Krebs cycle, which gives ATP to the cells. And you probably know about that. because you’re nodding your head. So citric acid, is what we also used a chelate, the silver oxide. So I had the experience of chelating the silver oxide with citric acid. And then I said, well, I can apply that same technique to vitamin D3, which we buy as a powder and solubilize and then, chelate with citric acid chelation…
like, are you putting it?…
Go ahead. I’m sorry.
Are you putting it in a, in a drink when you take it. Are you, putting it on your tongue right from the dropper?
That’s a great question. Either way. Me personally, I use it as a as a sort of a tincture. It’s not alcohol based, as you know. it’s water based. But yeah, you could you could add it to, you know, you could add it to a glass of water, you know,
it tastes very good, too.
It’s got a, citrusy taste, right?
Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. And the citric acid is something that, people don’t realize most citric acid comes from corn, not from citrus. So, so citrus has ascorbic acid, which is vitamin C, but it also has citric acid, which is not ascorbic acid. But so we get it from non-GMO corn. We believe that. They tell us that. I can’t guarantee that because that’s what it says on the package, and we get it from the same company every time. But it’s very pure. And of course, people say, well, wait a minute, I have a corn allergy. I don’t think I should do this. I said, look, this is so far removed from corn that even if you have a corn allergy, citric acid is not going to harm you because of a corn allergy. We use the citric acid to chelate the silver to make silver citrate, which is that little bottle that 4000 part per million product, which I think you saw. And that’s how this whole chelation thing started, first by chelating the zinc oxide with L-arginine and then chelating the silver oxide with the citric acid. So those are, again, if you don’t know, chelation, it’s basically a mild reaction. It’s something that, you know, what’s the right way to say this? It’s not, it’s not a very exothermic reaction. It’s not something it’s going to immediately occur. It’s a slow reaction and it’s a mild reaction. So for example, when we chelate the zinc oxide with the L-arginine, we let the buckets sit in solution for at least 24 to 48 hours before we remove the water. And that’s how we make this zinc oxide paste. Did I answer all your D3+K2 questions? Sorry.
Well you did. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. so yeah. So the D3+K2 is a supplement that you can take once twice three times a day. Eye dropper full. We recommend at a time I think it’s 4000 IU’s which is it sounds like a lot. It’s not very much.
We’re in you know, in Florida we might. Yeah, we’re in Florida. We probably make 20,000 units in 15 minutes outside in the sun so who knows.
And so, you know, so yeah. So, you know, it’s that much. And then, and then we also make the chelated zinc oxide. Yes. The HI-Z we call it that one. You have to be careful with. And the reason for that is zinc. You can OD on zinc pretty easily. So we recommend on that. No more than, you know, 5 or 10 drops a day. And I mean drops, not the whole if you’re right we yeah we have a guy
eye dropper a dropper full is about 30 drops.
That’s right. You don’t want to use a full eye dropper full every day. Unless you’ve got some weird thing going on, like, you know, you got some kind of infection or you’ve got a cold or some kind of virus you’re fighting, then your body may need more zinc, but if you do 30 drops a day for several days, or even a couple of weeks, you’ll start getting a stomach ache. And then you can overdose on zinc.
So what? Why did you make this product? Why? Again, I well, it’s a couple reasons. The reason that this whole thing started with me is I had some prostate problems in my 20s, and I was taking, zinc oxide, actually, zinc for my prostate health through Doctor Schmidt. And they were making a tablet. And, then people said, well, wait a minute, you know, what kind of zinc are you? Are you taking it? And it is it bio absorbable? And so I said, well, you know, I could make my own bio absorbable zinc. And there it is. And it’s a zinc chelate with zinc citrate instead of zinc, for example zinc picolinate or zinc sulfate You know, there’s a lot of different forms of zinc where some of it is very bio active and bioavailable. Well, with citric acid, I know it’s very bioactive and bioavailable, but.
Right.
I made something that’s a highly concentrated because honestly, to dilute the concentrated product that I make, which is at 4000 parts per million, I dilute this 32 to 1 to get the concentrate that you see there, which is you can look at it, it’s mostly water, right? But it’s soluble and it’s bioactive and bioavailable. And I don’t believe and this is something that I’ve studied up on and believe to be true. I believe if you’re going to take supplements, you want to take as many of the liquid based supplements as possible, because otherwise you’re not going to get the bio absorption and the bioavailability that you’re hoping for. you know, you spend a lot of money on supplements that are rocks and don’t do anything but, you know, maybe sit in your gut and pass through and
yeah,
you know, but but I’ve also found that if you use phospholipids, for example, sometimes you want that to happen, that you want the, supplement to disperse in the lower intestinal tract and the good way to do that is use phospholipids to prevent it from, absorption on the way down.
Most of our competitors in this industry, in this supplement natural food industry, are people that are there to make a buck. And they go to the laboratories and they say, I need a vitamin C product, right? Oh, yeah, we got that here. I need a vitamin D product. We got that. Yeah, sure. We can put your name on it. And they have no idea what they’re actually getting and talking to you. It’s like, wait a second. No, I’m making it because of this. And this is why I’m making it this way. And I have the chemical understanding and knowing what’s going to happen with it. It’s very, very cool. Now, I’m guessing that at five drops a day, this is probably about a one year supply.
Yeah, good point. And there and therein lies a problem in terms of profitability. But yes,
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Ah Nutrasporin.
Why do we have two flavors?
yeah, Two flavors. Again, the same reason that Michelle and you use the lip balm. So remember, the lip balm is, water resistant and water soluble, right? So you got a water soluble Nutrasporin and a water resistant Nutrasporin. And the question is, why? Well, that’s a little bit of a story, too. So turns out what we’re doing with the Nutrasporin is we’re taking the chelating silver oxide that I’ve mentioned, but have not described, and we infuse that into this nutroleum base. So again, food grade edible. The green box has three ingredients. Okay. Cetearyl Glucoside, which is the plant fat we talked about for the nutroleum product. Glycerin USP grade kosher glycerin, which by the way is very expensive and food grade edible of course. And then the chelated silver oxide with citric acid. Well, when you make that three way combination you make something that we did call rash block. And we still do. The rash block only has 75 parts per million silver. The Nutrasporin has 100 parts per million silver. But nobody knew what rash block was or how to use it. But people understand Neosporin. So putting it on my iP hat again, I said, you know, if I use Nutrasporin as a product name, I better get it trademarked. And sure enough, I did. And Johnson and Johnson, for whatever reason, did not oppose the trademark. And so it is a registered trademark and it is says on the box. Not to be confused with Neosporin for a reason. That’s a legal issue. We can talk about that either now or some other time. And it turns out that that product will heal just about any cut, bruise, scrape, anything you have and it will heal it fast.
So yeah, you’re squeezing it out of the tube and putting it on your finger. And, if you’ve got any kind of booboo, it will heal the booboo. Wow. And, it is, as you can see, a pretty clear gel, a little sticky, but as opposed to Neosporin, which is a triple biotic gel made with petroleum jelly. Petrolatum.
Right?
Right.
Obviously not food grade edible. And the antibiotics are not very good because it turns out that Neosporin and you can look this up on Wikipedia. I can’t believe they’re not taking it down after 15, 20 years. It turns out that Neosporin is a triple biotic gel, and that those triple biotics, or antibiotics, they wipe out certain strains of bacteria, but they don’t touch others. They don’t touch, for example, MRSA And because they don’t touch MRSA when you put Neosporin on, it allows MRSA to proliferate, because MRSA has no other, competitors in the space. So what?
Yeah. When you kill off the competition, when you first have the competition it’s free to do its own thing,
that’s it. So people don’t realize Muhammad Ali died of MRSA in the hospital in Lexington, Kentucky. And the reason that they don’t realize that is because if the hospital released that information. They would have lost their federal and state funding because MRSA is associated with dirt and filth. And of course, you being in your profession know that that’s not the case MRSA is everywhere. E-coli is everywhere. well, guess what? Our Chelated Silver Oxide wipes out all infectious bacteria, all fungus, all mold, all mildew, including MRSA, including E-coli. And then we got the magic call, which still seven years later, It’s hard to believe a woman called me from Bremerton, Washington. She’s an LPN, licensed practical nurse at the time. She’s retired now. She ran to two, nursing care facilities in Bremerton, Washington, and she said, this stuff is wiping out my UTI, Gary. Urinary tract infection. And I want to try it on my residents. I said, Sue, how fast do you need it? Where do you want me to ship it? Long story short, 2017, 2018. We did a study on her residence. They had 12 women there that at different times had UTI. One woman was on hospice. She was getting UTI every single week. She was getting antibiotics every single week. They applied this directly on the urethra dime size three times a day to her. She never got another UTI. She lived nine more months in the nursing care facility without ever getting another UTI. I’ve got at least 10 to 15 women in the last three years that have contacted me. That had the same issue. UTI goes away, gone. But of course, could I advertise that? Yes, I could and then go to FDA jail.
So I’m a little confused because you talked about it. You just described it as a topical. I did so they didn’t have to ingest a silver product and flush it out from the inside.
Correct. Although, although we did supply to the nursing care facility, the big blue bottle, did I send you the big blue bottle? No, I think I just the big blue bottle was the ready to drink silver. I think I just sent you the little silver Yeah. So that one eye dropper full of that in eight ounces of water makes, 150 part per million ready to drink silver oxide solution. And yes, you can ingest it. And if you ever, ever, ever get even the tinge of food poisoning, it will wipe it out. Like now.
How is it, because understanding that it’s, going to take out all kinds of bacteria? Yes. How is it safe when it comes to ingesting, in your gut flora.
Yeah. Great question. So here’s what I tell people. I say, look, every time you take a breath and every time you drink something and eat something, you’re going to get bacteria into your body, right? Good and bad. The key is can your immune system overcome the bad, the infectious stuff? And of course, if your immune system is optimal, it’s going to wipe most of that infectious stuff out. But, you know, there’s no question that there’s a link between infectious bacteria and cancer, stomach cancer, kidney cancer, you name the cancer. How many types of cancer are there? How many types of bacteria are there? Infectious bacteria is the question and the need. Now, as far as good bacteria in your gut is concerned, I would say if you want to take a pre and probiotic to make sure you maintain good healthy gut, I do, I like it. I think it’s a great idea to do it. Do you need to do it? Depends on your diet, depends on your exercise routine. Depends on everybody’s different. Even identical twins have a different DNA. So I would say the answer is yeah, it could wipe out some good bacteria. The question is, how much is it going to wipe out? And will it affect you in any negative way. And I would say probably not. As long as you’re drinking, eating and breathing good clean stuff.
Right. You know, nurture the good flora back, and give the good flora the thing it needs
I would say to you, some people, my sister, for example, uses it proactively. She’ll take it in the morning, in the evening before she goes to bed. She’ll take, you know, some silver, to wipe out in the infectious stuff. And I think, you know, not a bad idea to do that. Is it? Causing her any issues? She claims it’s keeping her healthy. But again, you know, she’s indoors in New England a lot, she’s got dogs and she had kids and blah, blah, blah. So, I think it all depends how you want to use it when you want to use it. We were at a wedding. This is like ten years ago in Germany. It was the hottest day of the year in Cologne, Germany. Both my parents are from there. And we were at this wedding and 11:00 at night. So all day, all night affair. Right? 11:00 at night. I’m looking around for my wife at the time. And I’m saying what? You know, where is she? You know, and she’s outside at a picnic table with her head down. She couldn’t even raise her head. So at 3:00 in the morning, we had to take her to the bride’s house, which is where we stayed. She woke up at 3:00 the next day, after she took a full glass of the chelated silver with the water. She woke up at 12 hours later, hungry. Now, if you’ve ever gotten food poisoning, you know the first thing you wake up thinking about is what is it that I ate or drank that I’ll never touch again?
Right
So I swear to you that if you ever feel like you had something in your body that you don’t want in there anymore, and your body tells you pretty quickly that is the antidote. That’s silver oxide. Drinking it. Ingesting it is the antidote. But getting back to your original question about urinary tract infection, we have all the evidence that you don’t need to do both, but if it’s an acute infection, we recommend both. I had a woman come to me at Davos Reach conference, in Orlando four years ago. And I had just done an interview like I’m doing with you guys, with two women who were running around the conference interviewing people, and they found this woman, a young woman, 25 years old, about who had just come from Oregon. She was in the elevator and they wanted to interview about her experience at the conference. And she said, I can’t do that. I’m and she was not doing well. She said, I was in the emergency room all last night. I have a blooming UTI. They just gotten through interviewing me and sent her directly to my booth. She came and it was probably, I’m going to say 2:00 in the afternoon, 1:00 in the afternoon. When she saw me, it was right after lunch, and I told her, here, here’s what you need. She bought the bottle, the big blue bottle, which is, like I said, the ready to drink version of what you showed me. And she took a two Nutrasporin at 10:00 the next morning. I had pictures on my phone of her. She came downstairs and she was beaming from ear to ear. It was gone and it was gone overnight. And they told her in the emergency room, you probably shouldn’t go to the conference. You probably should just fly back to Oregon. So. So, and I have several stories like that. That one was the one I have the most anecdotal evidence of, but of course, Sue Honan, the lady who was running the two nursing care facilities, we actually have a doctor out in Bremerton. He’s a seventh day Adventist, and he actually prescribes nutrasporin for his nursing care, what they call residents. Right. Because they one of the. And so why is there a water resistant version? Well, I always made a water resistant version for many reasons. It stays on longer. It’s more topical. It doesn’t soak in as quickly. But Sue said to me, could you just make a nutrasporin product that stays on the skin longer because my other facility has incontinent Not only urinary tract incontinence, they have bowel incontinence because they are mentally handicapped. They have Parkinson’s. And, you know, MS. And, Alzheimer’s. Right. And so there they were, bowel incontinence. She says I need something that stays on longer. I said, well, I got it, Sue. I’ll just make the water resistant nutrasporin version, that’s all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so the difference between this and the big blue bottle is concentration.
Correct. That’s the only difference.
So not from my perspective. If I’m going to purchase something. Yeah it makes sense to get a smaller container
Yep
With less water
100% correct. That is what you’re holding. Your hand is three times less costly than buying the ready to drink product. But there are many people who are not like us who just want a ready to drink thing. They don’t. They don’t want to think. They don’t want to have to dilute. They don’t want to, you know how many eye droppers full and blah blah blah. They just don’t want to deal with it. And so we make it ready to drink product, which we sell on Amazon. And it’s probably the only thing on Amazon we make money on. But of course it’s a pain in the ass because pardon my language, but with the package it so it doesn’t break. And so and of course the other thing is what you have in your hand you can travel anywhere with and you can’t travel anywhere with a 16 ounce bottle. Now we also make a little spray version of the big blue bottle, which I think I may have sent you. The little spray blue sprayer, which looks identical to the big blue bottle, which is the refill so that you can carry with that with you on the plane. Of course, that’s just a spray of 150 parts per million anywhere you want. And I don’t know if you wanted me to explain the difference between our chelating silver oxide and the colloidal silver.
I do want to know the difference. But first, I want to talk about the applications that you just, mentioned, because if I had a spray, I might use it. If I had a sore throat, I might spray it in my sore throat. I might spray it on my skin. topically. If I thought I had something that, you know, was growing there that shouldn’t, And I might squirt it up my nose or in my ears. Right. If I had an ear infection.
That’s exactly right. We, we also make a deodorant spray. And so we use the same exact formulation except we add jojoba oil and aloe. And if you spray that in your mouth, it’s just tastier. And, it’s a, it’s a little different, right. For deodorant spray. Is identical except for those two added ingredients. Right.
All right. Very very cool.
Yep, yep. So
what what’s the concentration difference on this one?
What You’re holding your hand is 4000 parts per million. What we sell ready to drink is 150 parts per million. And you would say, well, okay, why is that? We did testing, to determine what was our sweet spot. Where? At some concentration, the silver did what it needed to do, which is wipe out to the Six sigma. In other words, 99.999% Bacteria, fungus, mildew, whatever. And what we found was our sweet spots between 75 and 200 parts per million and above that, above 200 parts per million. It didn’t do anything more or more effective and below 75 parts per million. It wasn’t quite as effective. So we picked
so this could make about a gallon that. Oh, that’ll make, so one of those one eye, one eye dropper full will make, eight ounces. And there’s about 30 eye dropper falls. So whatever. 30 times eight. That’s 240oz.
So it’s like a couple gallons.
It’s almost two gallons. Yes. Almost two gallons of 150 parts per million product. Yes. Yeah. And I could imagine how much it would be to have two glass containers of, you know, gallons of, water shipped. So. And, you know, it’s going to break and…
Right? All those things
this makes so much more sense.
So that. Yeah, yeah, obviously carrying that around is easy. And of course, we make that little two ounce sprayer to carry around. And I, you know, during C___d I carried it everywhere in the airport on the airplane. I always tell people I think the airplane is actually cleaner than the airport because the airplanes have, you know, Hepa filters and the airport’s don’t So I think, oh, I think C___d was more of an airport related illness than an airplane related illness.
That could be a hand sanitizer.
It’s absolutely and is, you know, maybe, you know, hand sanitizers by definition have to be 60% alcohol. Right. And so but we don’t use alcohol, so we can’t call it a hand sanitizer. I mean, there’s all these rules and regulations that the FDA and the EPA put on all these things. And, that’s why being in this space is very difficult.
Yeah. The alcohol is what is the skin irritant, which is why they have to put aloe in it to counter those harmful effects of the rubbing alcohol and the skin all the time.
It absolutely.
You know, these products are great. I’m going to start using yours. I have been using another brand, but tell me the difference.
Well, okay. Well, we keep it in the house. We use it for everything, like you said it, right?
Right, right, right.
So, you know, we think something’s going wrong. We’re having some. We’re drinking it. We’re squirting it up our nose, whatever. Wherever we need it. But what? Yeah. What’s the difference between yours and everything else that we’re seeing on the shelf?
All right, so I’m guessing what you’re seeing on the shelves and what you’re buying is colloidal silver. There’s a few companies out there that sell it, Sovereign Silver. Silver wings. And I will tell you very straight, very transparent. There’s nothing wrong with those products. They work. You don’t need a high concentration of silver for it to be effective. They’re selling mostly ten parts per million, and they’re selling colloidal silver. We are selling chelated silver oxide, which is bioactive and bioavailable because we’re bonding the silver molecule to an organic citric acid molecule. What they’re selling is something that’s made with two electrodes. I simplify it in a bathtub. They’re using either Deionized water or distilled water. They’re running a current between the two electrodes, and one electrode is coated with silver, and the other electrode is just, either positive or negative, charged, anode or cathode. When you run the electricity through, what happens is the silver ions migrate from the silver, coated electrode to the one that’s not. And as they migrate through the water, they get trapped in the water. And those are silver ions. They’re silver particles in water, and they’re charged normally positively charged silver ions, which is very helpful. And at ten parts per million, there’s evidence that it wipes out things like viruses and, you know, flus and, cold bugs and that kind of stuff. The problem with it is if there is a problem, which I don’t know, that there’s necessarily a problem, but the difference is that it’s not bioactive and bioavailable. So,
okay,
when you add the citric acid molecule now all of a sudden it’s becoming bioactive and bioavailable. Right. And so all of a sudden now you have something that when it gets to the cell wall, instead of just penetrating the cell wall and going through the cell and wiping out whatever it can, it sticks to the cell wall and stays there until it wipes out whatever the heck it is it needs to wipe out. And eventually those cells either die or they get renewed and they get flushed out or something happens. There’s a there’s a theory, there’s a body of evidence that says every cell in our body and we have trillions has a function some cells need to die in and be removed. Some cells, need to be born and be new. You know, we’ve heard about zombie cells, which I don’t really understand, but supposedly they exist. But you have no cells, and you have eye cells, and you have ear cells and tongue cells and, you know, skin cells and all those cells have different functions. And if any of those cells get infected with bacteria or with fungus or mildew or mold, you’d like to have something that would be there long enough to wipe it out and make the cell healthy again. And with the citric acid, you’re feeding the cell. So in my view, the colloidal silver that you’re taking, if that’s what it is, and it low, low, low concentrations, ten parts per million is 99.999% water that they’re selling but still has effectiveness.
Right.
It can be good. It just really depends. Like nebulizer colloidal silver during C___d seem to wipe C___d out. And I have papers to prove that, they weren’t written in the United States. They’re Spanish, Japanese and, Israel papers. but they prove that silver can wipe out C___d But unfortunately, I did hear about that about, you know, nebulizer. Yes. You know, and. Yes. And so, you know, why not our stuff too. And I did actually and it seemed to help me when I got C___d and it was in Florida, actually,and, it’s not pleasant. And I did nebulizer with the silver. And it did help, especially because I got the kind that taste and smell went away. But anyway, that’s a whole C___d a whole different discussion. But, getting back to your. Yeah.
And we’re going to have to beep that word out if we put this on YouTube.
Right. I’m sorry. I should have said
no, no, no, it’s okay.
Pandemic, the pandemic, whatever. But the bottom line is, what I would say is there’s another problem with colloidal silver. You can’t make a high concentration of it, and sell it because it turns brown and yellow. It oxidizes. They there’s some of them have been making up to 250 to 500 parts per million of colloidal, but that takes forever cost them, a lot of money and time to make it, because they got to pour a bunch of power into the electrodes, and they got to wait for the colloidal silver ions to get into the water. And I would imagine to make 250 parts per million of colloidal silver probably takes a minimum of several weeks to make that product.
So now, if it is brown and oxidized, does that make it any less.
Well, that’s a good question. I the answer is, I don’t know. I’m sure there’s probably some information out there that says that you really want it in the silver ion form, because that’s more potent to most of the bacteria, especially negatively charged bacteria. Once positively charged ions hit negatively charged bacteria, it wipes it out. So when you take a positively charged ion or negatively charged ion and you oxidize it, it’ll become silver oxide, and silver oxide, I would say it’s probably not as effective, although it brings back a story about how the French aristocracy got the name Blue Blood because they ate and drank off of silver and drank from silver goblets. And it turns out they got bluish tinge to their blood because they got very they were very, white and very pale. And their blood, their veins turned blue. You could actually see blue veins, bluish veins. What they don’t tell you is that the French aristocracy did not die from the bubonic plague. Right. Which was carried by which was bacteria carried by rats. That was proven. So, you know, it’s interesting. And so silver oxide will turn you blue over time. There was a guy in Kentucky, turned himself into a Smurf, took him many years to do it, and he died of a heart attack. He did not die of something called arginosis, which is what the FDA has tried to scare everybody about saying, oh, you’re going to get silver poisoning. Well, good luck getting silver poison. You’re going to have to drink like ten glasses of silver a day for the next ten years to turn yourself blue. But if you want to do it, you can.
Yeah. The blue guy was experimenting with it. And I from what I understand, he was making his own and. Yep. You know.
Yeah. And he turned her into a Smurf, but then he died of a heart attack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, no,
this is good stuff. I love your products.
3rd Rock essentials. So it’s 3rdrockessentials.com. That’s the website.
All right.
Yeah. Excellent. Gary.
Yeah, we’re also on Amazon yet we really prefer to people go to our website because Amazon takes a big, big chunk of our gross.
Yeah. And you gotta avoid the big evil machine if you can. The evil empire.
That’s right. Hey, they’re putting a big beating on us. Yeah, yeah they are. Yeah they are. But, you know, some people want it. Next day if you go to our website, you can get it next day because we stock Amazon with enough so that, if you order from our website, Amazon will ship it to you directly.
Yeah. And I’m just going to say to anybody that made it this far in the podcast, you shouldn’t need this overnight. You should. This is these are products that should be in your house at all times
right
You don’t want to, you know, say, oh, all of a sudden, I need to order that nutrasporin, You know, I have an infection. Can we overnight it? Well, when you have an infection and you want to apply it, you want it right there and then you don’t want it tomorrow, right? Keep it in your house. You don’t know when you’re going to get food poisoning.
That’s right, that’s right.
keep this in your house.
Yes. Medicine cabinet. Exactly. Or we first aid kit. When you’re traveling, when you’re hiking, when you’re, you know, biking, whatever you’re doing, you know, you should have you should have something at your disposal. We used to sell first aid kit, but we didn’t have a lot of demand for it. So it’s better to put your own together. Actually not
Do these things expire? Great question. The answer is no, they don’t. But again, with the FDA we have to be careful. So with the sunscreen you have to put an expiration date on. So we put three years because we know that nothing changes in three years. Those products are completely shelf stable forever because there’s nothing that can grow in there. In other words, no bacteria that causes shelf life instability. And the product itself is, only three ingredients, which are so, shelf stable that we’ve got stuff sitting around now for five, seven, ten years. Nothing changes. So we haven’t put an expiration date on the nutrasporin products or on the silver because we haven’t seen any reason to do it. We haven’t talked about the liver cleanse. That’s a that was a little bit different because that’s got four Hawaiian herbs in it, some silver. And, and actually we had a fungus that started growing there, which was turned out to not be an infectious fungus. It turned out to be a healthful fungus, but it grew a white cloud of fungus because they sent us the herbs from the Hawaiian farm, unfiltered in large quantities, like we bought two gallon bags. And they didn’t tell us that the stuff they were selling online in little one and two ounce bottles with eye droppers were filtered, and that the stuff they sent us was raw with no filtration. So we found out by selling the fungus out that the fungus is a pseudo mongus fungus, and it actually helps the, herbs grow in the soil. And it’s not toxic to humans. However, that product shelf stable wise, we recommend six months because that one, if you don’t keep it refrigerated and you don’t keep it closed, you’ll start to see potentially fungus growing, which is another reason why we’ve gotten to the reformulation of that one, because nobody wants white cloudy fungus, you know, in their in their liver cleanse product.
We’ll eat mushrooms. But that’s right. That’s right. And of course, nothing wrong with that. Although I guess there is this was it the surge of gas? Like. Like what is it something acid liquor, LSD. Right. In mushrooms, I guess. I guess some form of it. Well, is psilocybin something like that,
something like that.
And lysergic acid.
Silly Silly silly Sibon.
Yeah,
that makes you silly.
Of course. Again, that probably won’t kill you. It might, it might expand your mind a little bit
and might expand your mind, give you new product ideas. Boy oh, boy, oh, boy. All right, I love it. How often do you do the liver cleanse?
That’s what we recommend. That every night, before you go to bed. Only because C___d affected everybody’s liver. It. Oh, I said the word again. The I would say everybody’s, liver has been affected by the epidemic. And so cleansing the liver is a good thing. What’s in there is magnesium citrate, which cleanses the liver. And then for herbs that support the liver.
Okay, you think people have been affected whether they got C___d naturally or use the,that other the V word.
Good question. my understanding is I would imagine they got a, they got the liver was affected and in both circumstances. And the reason why is, you know, the liver is your largest internal organ and it’s a filter. Right? So anything that goes into your bloodstream, is eventually going to wind up being purified by the liver somehow. And so if your bloodstream is contaminated in any way, shape or form by any virus or any, you know, bacteria or whatever, the liver is going to get involved. So, you know, keeping your liver healthy is vital to keeping your all your organs and all your internal parts of your body healthy, including your skin, which is your largest organ. So I would say, for the liver cleanse, I mean, to maintain good health, you know, use it, use it. An eye dropper full, a night or even twice. Once in the morning. Once in the evening. I think I may have told you the story off line, but I have a patent attorney friend from Korea, and he works all day drinking and doing business development, and he drinks a lot and he buys drinks for everybody. So he’s fun to be around. But, then he goes up and he works in his room for four hours because when he’s in the United States anyway, you know, it’s a 12 hour difference between here in Korea. And, he said to me, do you have that? We call it we call it a hangover block two, because you got that hangover block. I want to try that stuff. I said, sure, Jay No problem. He said, well, let me have one bottle. what should I do? I said, in your case before you go to bed tonight, you drink the whole thing. So he said, okay, okay, I’ll do that. And then I want to meet you down here in the lobby of the elevator at 8:00 tomorrow morning. And of course, there was 8:00 the next morning, and I’m at the elevator waiting for him to come down. He’s got the, liver cleanse in his hand. It’s empty. And he said it works.
Hahaha.
So no hangover. So yeah. So if you decide you want to get in, you want to invite more than you normally would, then yeah, use it.
Wow. Any new products? In the pipeline?
Yes. What about a yes to any of these? We make something with intelligent thread, guys. We started out with them. They wanted a pain relief gel. We call it a tension release gel, because pain release again is an FDA. No, no. We use arnica, and we infuse the arnica into the nutroleum gel, and we call it a tension release gel. And that’s pretty new. We’ve only been doing that for about a year. And then they said, you know, Gary, we have a lot of, customers. they sell clothing with infused energy in it. That really does have an effect on a lot of people that have problems walking or pain in some joints or neck or whatever. And they said, but we also have clients that really like to look good. Can you make us, you know, some sort of a night serum? And so we do. We make a night serum now, and it uses, instead of retinol a, uses bakuchiol, which is, again, a plant derived extract. We say if you wouldn’t put it in your mouth, don’t put it on your skin. And, hyaluronic acid. So those are the two. And it’s in basically a, watered down version of our nutroleum gel. you know, it’s more for vanity. It’s a wrinkle cream. I call it, but it’s called, Night Serum, and it’s, again, we co-brand that with, intelligent threads. And that’s those are the newest products that we’ve developed, and.
Okay, I have a product idea that I have to bounce off you, I want you to make it, and I want my company name on it. Okay?
Okay. Yeah, well, we do some private labeling as well, as you talk about, so.
Yeah
that’s. So you want you don’t want to share that on this on this, podcast?
Not yet.
Gary, thank you so much. I’ve been, definitely in an informative time. Love the products. Where, fans and now customers.
Yeah. Well that’s awesome. Anyway, I can help in the future. We’ll be in close touch. And anybody who,watches this, you know, just third, 3rdrockessentials.com go to the website.
You can sign up as an affiliate. You can get a 20% discount or 20% commission. There’s no pyramid scheme. There’s no minimum order requirement. It’s just because Amazon takes so much of our money that we offer the affiliate program, which is,
3rdrockstar.com,
So you can sign up there, right? Well, and get a 20% commission for everything that everybody uses your code and you get a 20% discount for any of the products that we, that we manufacture and we sell.
I’m going to become an affiliate. Awesome, awesome. Yeah. No. That’s great.
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