RESOURCES
- Request Justin Nault’s 110 Foods List on Instagram at justinnaultofficial
- Visit Justin Nault’s Nutrition Website HERE:iamclovis.com
- Follow Justin on Facebook
- Subscribe to Justin on YouTube
- Subscribe to Justin’s Podcast on iTunes
- Buy the book “Medical Nemesis” on Amazon
- Buy the book “The 1939 Yearbook Of Agriculture” on Amazon
- Buy the book “Weapons of Mass Instruction” on Amazon
- Buy the book “The Vegetarian Myth” on Amazon
- Watch the documentary “Sacred Cow” on Amazon Prime
- Watch this episode on YouTube
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro Snip
00:42 Introduce Justin Nault
02:10 Justin Nault discusses his music career, body dysmorphia, and transition to the health and wellness industry
04:50 Justin Nault discovers the Paleo Diet
06:44 The medical ketogenic baby formula that let Justin Nault to make a healthy alternative
09:30 Where should people get their macro nutrients from? What should people eat?
10:15 What is the “Food And Life Yearbook Of Agriculture 1939?
11:00 How we should consume more calories to lose weight
12:00 What things happened that really disconnected people from nature?
13:44 What does self love have to do with weight loss?
18:37 What gets in the way of people not being able to love themselves?
20:44 How is not loving yourself selfish?
25:20 What hacks are there for getting good nutrition on the go?
28:25 What does a balanced diet look like for most people?
29:33 What is the primary goal of choosing foods for optimal health?
29:42 How does increasing metabolism affect replication of viruses?
30:51 What are “Super Proteins”?
32:28 Have you ever killed an animal and eat that animal?
37:50 What is in the “Daily Superfood Powder”?
44:20 What affects our metabolism more, diet or exercise?
51:10 What is one of your favorite testimonials where someone thought they were coming for weight loss but got so much more?
54:52 What is the right amount of exercise?
56:00 What mistakes do people make when making a new year’s resolution?
58:36 How do people schedule an appointment?
TRANSCRIPT
I consider my programs to be transformation programs like identity shifts transformations whatever you want to call it, that lead to the consequence of better health.
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I’m Dr. Michael Haley, and this is the Dr. Haley Show podcast. Today we’re going to help you find the things that are getting in the way of you achieving your optimal weight, your optimal energy levels. Today’s guest is Justin Nault. He’s a certified nutritional therapist, founder and CEO of Clovis. You’ll find that at iamclovis.com Justin helps people break free from toxic diet cultures, heal their bodies, and find self-love through nutrition, mindset and daily habits for true lasting transformation.
How many of you have tried a diet only to lose weight and then gain it all back? And then some? After this, I’m confident you’re going to want to absorb more of Justin’s content. You’ll find he has an awesome YouTube channel. He’s on Instagram, has a huge Facebook following. I’ll have links in the description where you can subscribe to get more of Justin Nault’s content.
Justin, thank you for joining me today on the Dr. Haley Show podcast. I find you to be someone a lot like me. We have similar backgrounds growing up. I grew up a lot before you, but that’s a whole other story. But, you know, nutrition wasn’t your first career. No. Most definitely not. Tell me about your music career so I can have a little understanding and into who you are And then how did you end up getting into nutrition?
Sure. Yeah. It’s all kind of blended together. You know, I started playing piano in public, I guess, when I was eight years old. So from the time I was very young, I got a lot of external validation for being talented. Like, this is the next Billy Joel. And I had this, like, it was amazing. It was a really fun experience. So my kind of identity was built around being a performer. But I was a chubby kid growing up, right? In the 90s. The politically incorrect term fat kid, quote unquote. Yeah. And, but I grew up in an era where, you know, the movie stars were Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. So I just really developed body dysmorphia, like, quite young. And, was performing a lot. And then so at 15 years old, I, my dad allowed me to start lifting weights. I started punishing myself, just lifting weights two hours a day, running on a treadmill an hour a day. Just like trying to get the weight off. And that carried with me. I ended up, you know, doing a lot of performances and stuff in high school, which led me to apply to Berklee College of Music. I went to music school in Boston, and, that’s kind of launched my music career. And I started playing professionally when I was 17 years old.
And, in Boston, I started boxing, and I was bodybuilding at Gold’s Gym and just a ton of fitness. And then moved down to Nashville after I got my degree in songwriting, and that turned into 300 shows a year. I had a reality TV show on ABC. By the time I was 25, I had a music, YouTube music channel going music videos and stuff like that. So I was quite literally living under spotlights with tremendous body dysmorphia. And the only thing that I knew to do was just train harder, eat less, move more, eat less, move more. So I just did this.
Is it like what we were taught? You know, you just have to work out every day, a few hours, every day. And, you know, don’t miss a day if you miss a day, okay? Maybe you can take it off on Sunday, but make up for it on Monday.
ABS 100% and I was that guy. I was so neurotic in my mind. Like if I took on something like the P90x program, I would be, let’s say 18 days in and if I missed a day, I would go back to day one and start and over again. It’s unacceptable unless I do the full 90 day part. Like I was just savage about this stuff. And no matter what I did, you know, I became a purple belt in jiu jitsu. I was I weighed 160 pounds, I was deadlifting 425 pounds and powerlifting and constantly injuring myself. CrossFit two a days, like everything. And it was after the TV show was probably 26 at the time and I was like, there’s got to be I’m missing something because I was probably like 23, 24% body fat Just training my face off all the time and constantly just having low energy and not feeling very good. And that was when I found the paleo diet, and I did my first, paleo reset. And it was like a magic bullet. I just started melting body fat and I was like, this is crazy. Where has this been all my life?
And that was when I started getting deep into nutrition. And because I was doing well in music industry, and at that point, like I owned a couple houses and was just playing shows at night and my days were my own. And so I just started studying pretty deeply, and I became a nutritional therapist to treat myself. I wanted to learn about epigenetics and these types of things.
And around that same time, universally, whatever you want to call it. My niece was born terminally disabled, so she was having over 300 seizures per day. She was put immediately into the pediatric ICU at seven days old, and they ran over $1 million in testing on her. So we got dropkicked into like real mainstream medicine, like she was given less than three years to live.
So like, this is a emergency situation. And they ended up having to put a g-tube in her stomach to feed her through a feeding tube. And, what they do in the medical community is the ketogenic diet is to suppress seizures. It’s like use for a seizure. So you probably know that. So that was my first intro to the keto diet as we know it, which was wild introduction.
And the way that they do this with babies is they just give them a formula that’s a quote unquote ketogenic formula. And the formula is called keto cow. Did it suppress? Did it suppressed seizures? Unfortunately, Savannah did not turn out to be epileptic. So this is usually they’ll use it to treat epileptic children. There’s actually an entire organization called the Charlie Foundation that helps families manage seizures through the ketogenic diet and lifestyle.
So they were kind of throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks because they couldn’t figure out what Savannah was dealing with. She ended up not being epileptic. It was something called KCNQ2, and she was one of 96 living cases in the world. Like really, really gnarly diagnosis. But this is where kind of where my brand comes from and where my passion for this comes from is they gave her this ketogenic baby formula. But as I know, you know, because I’ve looked at your background and everything is in mainstream medicine, quality is not thought about much. Right? So they say, okay, we need a keto baby formula. So it’s got to be high fat, low carb and Gerber makes a formula called Keto Cow. And it’s high fat low carb. But I looked at the ingredients and it’s like all hydrogenated vegetable oils and artificial flavorings and sweeteners and all the vitamins are synthetic forms of the vitamins. So I brought it to the attention of the neurologist at the time, and he looks at the ingredients, he looks at me and he says, hugh, I never thought to check that. And that was the end for me.
that’s how we got here now, you know, that was ten years ago. I started my brand about eight years ago and I just got online. I was doing Facebook lives, and I was telling people, hey, I’ve gone down this. I start reading books about like, like books like Medical Nemesis and like, learning about mainstream medicine and big food, big pharma, the corruption and the ties between them. And I actually made a baby formula in my kitchen with food dehydrator and food processors using paleo superfoods.
We started giving that to Savannah through her feeding tube, and that was approved by the neurologist as well, like, oh, this is better. And then I ended up putting a bunch of collagen protein in that and selling it online as my first protein powder to Crossfitters. And here we are, you know, is after sharing my story and helping people get healthy, just kind of organically on Facebook, you know, eight years later, it’s almost a million followers and thousands of transformations. And I’m here with you today. Yeah, yeah. And what I like about that, too, is when you made formulas, supplements, there’s a difference between a supplement and a nutrient dense supplement that comes from food. Yes. Most of the supplements that we see on the shelves are like chemical soup. You know, one of the things you mentioned in that formula was hydrogenated oils. What’s the hydrogenated oils that like, seed oil? No, it’s actually when you take maybe like a seed oil and you add hydrogen to it, breaking the double bonds. It’s a chemical process, and you’re attempting to stabilize it, you know? Yeah. And you’re feeding chemicals to the people. There’s a big, big difference. It’s an interesting time to because, you know, there’s this guy RFK, that’s going to help change the food system. And I think this is a good thing. However, it’s probably going to affect processed foods mostly, which is going to affect a lot of people. And it should make a huge difference as we take chemicals out of food and replace blue number ten with, you know, blueberry coloring or something like that, you know, there’s going to be more real food in the foods. If this goes down the way we hope it does. But there’s still processed foods, of course. Where should we be getting our, our macros from?
Yeah. I mean, in a perfect world, when we go back in time, I really like to kind of shed light on the advice we’ve been given that less food is better. Right? So my entire everything that I teach online is built around a concept called food versus poison. And I try to help people see that if we’re talking about actual food, species appropriate food that belongs in your body, food is only good for you in any amount. If we’re talking about poison, poison is only bad for you in any amount. And now we have an ultra processed food environment where 75% of what people are eating was literally made in a lab by food engineers. So I like to have people travel back in time, you know, like there’s a document called the 1939 Yearbook of Agriculture. And at that time in the 30s, I think it was still over 20% of Americans actually lived on a working farm where they were providing all of the food for themselves. And we didn’t have crazy monochrome agriculture really heavily until after World War two. So we had this situation where it’s like beautiful, nutrient dense soil, people living off the land that they live on, and most of what they would have been getting, it’d be like eggs, red meat, maybe some chicken, whole milk, and maybe bread that had four ingredients like salt, water, yeast, flour, you know, not like the 23 ingredients we see today and wonder bread or whatever.
So in a perfect world, you’d be getting your food really from nature, from farm, from the land that you live on. And what grows seasonally in your area. Yeah. We’re a far cry from that now. But the reason I cite the 1939 Yearbook of Agriculture is because it tracked the diets of Americans living in New York City at the time, and the average 155 pound male was consuming 4200 calories a day. Oh, wow. And there was really no obesity. Really? No heart disease, really. No type two diabetes. Maybe you could find some outliers, but certainly not in epidemic numbers. My wife and I, we were watching this documentary on TV and you know, we’re looking at video from like the 1920s and it’s like, Holy crap, what’s missing in this picture? There’s 50 people on screen right now. What’s missing? Obesity. Yeah it wasn’t there. Not a single overweight person. in that documentary. Yeah. It’s astonishing to look at. And we have to think about I mean it’s very very easy to draw. I’m sure you seen the graphs where it’s like we look at the hockey stick growth and obesity. And then we plug in a line for the introduction of seed oils in the American diet. Or we plug in a line for the use of electronic devices with blue lights in our eyeballs all the time. And like, no one’s going outside in the sun, nobody’s spending time in the grass. All these things we’re really so disconnected from nature is the thing.
And, you know, when everything that we have is artificial, I think of it like a computer, right? If I have a computer and my operating system needs code to run and do what I want it to do, well, if I give it proper code, the machine’s going to do exactly what I want it to do. If I give it code that is a malware virus, then the operating system is going to malfunction. Now should I say what a terrible broken machine this is? I hate this machine. This is the machine’s fault. Or should I just think about the code that I’ve run into the system? And that’s what the ultra processed food environment and the marketing propaganda that caused us to focus on calories instead of nutrient density has led people to believe. And this is why all the work I do, I lead with self-love is it’s led people to blame their bodies, and their body becomes the enemy. Right? Like I need an injection or a pill or a potion because my stupid body is just storing fat and and it’s becomes the body is like evil. Rather than looking at the information we’ve been given, the inputs that we’re putting into this beautiful adaptation machine. Our bodies are miracles man, and they’re just desperately trying to adapt to the environment that we’re giving them. But the propaganda machine is so strong.
And by the way, in the 1980s, cigarette companies bought 80% of food companies to do this, to push this propaganda around calories and everything. So it’s really we’re in kind of dire straits where we have to help people love themselves enough to feel worthy of optimal health. And that’s a strange place to be.
Yeah. Let’s focus on that for a little bit. You know, if I was, quoting Tina Turner, what’s love got to do with it? Yeah. Yeah, man, it’s everything. Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard you say that. That’s the starting point. For helping someone with their nutritional with their overweight with their obesity. Yeah. Getting back on track. Yeah.
Absolutely. That’s what I start everyone with. So they come in you know it’s they think of it as a weight loss program. I consider my programs to be transformation programs like identity shifts transformations whatever you want to call it, that lead to the consequence of better health. So it’s like there are actions in life and there are consequences and that’s it. Right? So people come in and yeah, that you get a custom nutrition plan. I’m going to run you through a health assessment. I’m going to tell you what to eat, how much to eat, when to eat all these things. But the very first PDF exercise that you get from me is you’re going to stand in a mirror, look yourself in the eyes, and you’re going to say, I love you out loud Ten times, and you’re going to try your very best to mean it, even if you think you’re faking it right now. And you would be astounded by what happens here. And I mean, that’s the biggest pushback I get of what people don’t want to do is getting in that mirror. Yeah, people have a problem with that and they don’t understand. You really are going to have a hard time loving others if you can’t love yourself. Yeah. And what does it mean to love yourself. It’s not you know. Oh look at me. I’m so beautiful and I, and I love me and I can’t get enough of me. It’s you know I love that person and I’m going to take care of that person. I’m going to take care of that person first, because that person needs care. So that person can help other people. I need to have the energy and the health and the ability and the sound mind to be able to listen and counsel or advise relate to. I can’t do that if I don’t take care of myself.
Yeah, yeah. I think of every relationship we have as a mirror like right now fundamentally, and this goes a little more deep into like spirituality and philosophy. But I view the world in a way where this is Justin talking to Justin through a mirror named Michael or Dr. Haley, and this is you talking to you through a mirror named Justin. You know, that’s really how we relate. And I bring people back to caretaking for a child, right? If all of a sudden I am in charge of caring for a baby, that baby doesn’t have to earn my love, doesn’t have to earn my caretaking. And if I feed that baby something that its body can’t handle and then it vomits or goes to the bathroom, I’m not like, oh, what a dumb baby’s stupid body is broken. You know? It’s like it’s when you really look at it. It sounds a little ridiculous to say it like that, but I try to help people see if someone comes to me and they’re 200 pounds overweight and they’re drinking ten Pepsis a day, and I suggest maybe they don’t drink the ten Pepsis a day. There’s one lens of reality that makes them say, oh, here’s another nutritional therapist taken away My favorite thing. And this sucks and getting healthy is the worst and blah, blah, blah.
Or there’s the lens of, okay, I now understand that, that Pepsi is poison. It’s not good for me and I love myself so much that I would never knowingly put that into my body the same way I wouldn’t poison a baby.
Yeah, and I think people get confused and they’re afraid that loving themself is selfish. No. Sure, it’s not selfish in the sense that you’re, you know, focused on loving yourself so much. It’s selfish in the sense that I care about my ability, my health, my wellness. I’m going to take care of the person in the mirror. I love the fact that you start with that.
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What gets in the way besides, you know, people not knowing how to love themselves? Is it trauma related? Something happened to them that they can’t love themselves? What do you find?
Yeah, all the above trauma is huge. But also, so is programing, right? Like, there’s an amazing book that I love called Weapons of Mass Instruction that talks about, like, the founding documents of, of public school in America. Right. So we really have a massive issue that I call the illusion of authority. So we have been taught our whole lives to suppress our own emotions and suppress our own feelings and listen to what we’re told to do. Usually it’s just grown ups. It’s our parents first, and then you’re in school, right? Like you have to go to the bathroom. Your body’s giving you a clear signal, and you have to raise your hand and say, may I please use the restroom? And some other authority has the power to say no. You sit there and you hold it and be quiet because we’re doing a lesson, right?
Like we’re really taught that we are not worthy, that we’re not valuable, that we are kind of to be ignored. And then you get into the other aspect, like, I’m a huge fan of studying religion and theology and these sorts of things. There is a sort of martyrdom that is built into our programing of like, it always has to be for others, and then people get that twisted because like I work with almost exclusively, 85% of my clients are middle aged women and mostly moms. And there’s this sort of programing of mommy martyrdom where you’ll find these women that are like 200 pounds overweight and they’re just eating whatever is fast. Like, I got to grab a bagel because my kids got to go to I got to drive in the school, and then I go driving to soccer practice. And then I got to make cookies for the PTA meeting, and I got to take them to the church meeting and blah, blah, blah. And it’s like they’re on the back burner. They’re never taking care of themselves or as you’d say to in an airplane, right? They never put their oxygen mask on. First, they’re busy putting everyone else’s oxygen masks on, and they become less capable of service to other. So their mood with their children is all over the place. Maybe sometimes they’re snappy, sometimes they’re tired. They’re setting a terrible example for how their children eat and take care of themselves.
Right?
As Coach Peter Crone says, your children will do a terrible job listening to you. They will do an amazing job becoming you. So you have to understand, if you are not taking care of yourself. Yeah. What you are giving to society is far below what you are actually capable of and therefore not caring for. Self is a selfish act. You’re, if you want to look at it is like, well it’s selfish to think of myself first. I need to think of everyone else first. If you’re actually thinking of everyone else first, then you should want to show up at your best every day in a way that can hold their emotions in a way where you can connect with them and be present in a way where you can set an example that’s going to set your children up to not have the health and wellness issues that you have as an adult.
So it’s very, very selfish to not put your needs first and not take care of your health. In my opinion.
You said it so much better than me. That’s good, I love it. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, that’s what I was trying to get across in the way. You and I love your example too. You know, on the airplane, putting the oxygen mask on first so that you can help the people that are around you.
Of course. It’s so simple. Yeah. On its face, you know, it’s very simple and that’s, that’s the so there’s, there’s the programing issue and, and then that’s the trauma piece where the trauma piece becomes why it sounds so simple. So when I became a nutritional therapist, it was because the branch of nutritional therapy taught me about epigenetics. I was very, very interested in like the code of the computer. How do we literally have ribosomes create proteins and express genes differently? I was like, this is fascinating, right? The therapist piece, I did not realize that I was going to essentially become a talk therapist and a life coach, which is really what I’m doing, like the nutrition stuff. Honestly, it’s dead simple. I give people like five pro metabolic daily habits. I’m like, do this for 90 days. Your life will change. The vast majority of people will not absolutely will not do it. And we have to walk through why would you not do these incredibly simple things? I don’t have people doing 90 minute CrossFit workouts, right. I haven’t taking ten minute walks after each meal. It’s like it’s not difficult.
So we have to assess why they wouldn’t do those things. And that’s where we get deeply into the self-worth and maybe go back through stored trauma and, you know, do some somatic work and some breath work and move through these things and help them see, like, hey, you’re operating on faulty programing right now.
It is such a different approach. It’s changing the person so that the and the words you used, the consequence, you know, you think consequences are bad. No. We’ve had this consequence is now a good thing. My consequence is I’m going to be a more ideal weight. I’m going to have better energy levels. I’m going to be more present minded. I’m going to be more focused. I’m going to be absorbing, you know, it’s a whole different way of addressing optimal health.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think of it as like as a holistic web. Right. I had a client once, amazing guy who was such that he loved his family so much and he’s talked about this in public. I won’t say his name or anything, but he’s very open to sharing his story. And he was, you know, multiple, hundreds of pounds overweight. And he had children and had a spouse and all these things. And he was just like on a computer 18 hours a day, making a fantastic amount of money. And in his mind, it was like that was his value. Like, my kids don’t want for anything. My wife doesn’t want for anything.
But I was trying to help him see, like the example that you’re giving. The consequence here is your kids are learning that the almighty dollar is worth way more than your health. As long as you are making the dollars, you can eat Chick-Fil-A every day. You can sit in a chair for 18 hours a day. You’re now spilling out over the chair. You do not have energy, he told me. Like, I can’t pick my kids up off the ground, right? So it’s like the kids can’t play with dad. He’s not in the backyard playing catch with them. His sex life was non-existent. His partner is like he’s completely dissociated. He doesn’t pay attention to me when I’m speaking to him. Right.
So then you have this holistic web where if we connect the money to the children, we really have a problematic programing that’s being instilled in that child. You know? So that child, again, is going to do a great job becoming you. Whereas if he could get the health and wellness right, and we connect the health and wellness to his money, he could probably make more money in less hours because he’d have better cognitive function.
And he would learn to work smarter, not harder, which would then improve his relationship with his kids because he’d have more time with his kids. His wife would see him spending more time with his kids, and she would feel better about him. They can connect. His health is there, so his libidos there now they can connect on an intimate level, and this entire web is fully interconnected. And if you ignore any piece of the puzzle, you’re in big trouble.
Yeah, I love it when you talk about being in a hurry and the things that get in the way and the mom that you know, well, I’m just going to grab something quick and go and stuff. Are there some hacks for having the right nutrition on the go on the fly? What do you do when you’re when you travel and you don’t have your refrigerator with you with all the good foods in it. What do you do.
Yeah. I mean, first and foremost, we are lucky to live in a time where there are. I want to say, I don’t know that I’d say they’re like, fantastic for you, but there are healthy substitutes for just about everything, right? Like unreal candy makes a Snickers bar that doesn’t have red dye and hydrogenated vegetable oil, isn’t it? Right? Like, yes, these things are more expensive, so there’s a budget constraint there, but you can get a replacement for just about any junk food you love. If you really want to go that route. The other route is to again, stick to single ingredient, nutrient dense, whole foods.
A lot of what I was doing as I was building Clovis in the early years, I was still deeply in my professional musician career, so I was playing. I mean, at that time when I started Clovis still probably doing at least 200 and 250 shows a year. I was on the road constantly. And it’s interesting the way people don’t notice this, but like, you could pull into a parking lot where there’s like a Chipotle and a Starbucks or like a McDonald’s and a quarter mile down the street is a Kroger or a Trader Joe’s or an AGB. And you can walk in there and you can grab an RX bar or an organic banana, or you can go to the deli section and say, hey, can you give me a half pound of, like, organic turkey and grab some turkey or grab a coconut water? Right. I just like it’s right there at your disposal in the same length of time it takes to stop at the Chick-Fil-A or something like that.
And it’s far better for you. So I always tell people these things are not necessarily hard, but they are different, right? So it’s just you have these patterns and these habits built in, and we just need to reprogram and point them in in another direction. It’s especially in America, it is extremely easy to travel and eat well. I always tell people like Walmart is the single biggest carrier of organic produce in the world. So even when people talk about food deserts and all this stuff, it’s like wherever you can get to an Aldi, an HEB, a Kroger, a Bucky’s right now you go to a Bucky’s and find grass fed beef jerky for sure. You can find that it’s there. You just need to know where to look. Yeah, yeah, I like it.
And that’s kind of one of my hacks. You know, if I’m traveling, I might have my dinner at Whole Foods. Sure. Yeah, exactly. Why not grab something out of the produce section? Let’s talk a little bit about, what kind of foods people should be eating. And a little disclaimer for the people that are listening here. We’re all different and we all have different needs. A lot of my audience might be fighting a horrible, condition. They might be trying to increase their immune system. And in such a case, plant foods are medicine. Other people are, you know, trying to fuel for playing in the NFL. Yeah. So we all have some different needs but and you talked about nutrient dense foods. What should the what’s a balanced diet look like for most people?
Yeah I love that you said that too because my spectrum of clients. Right. I do nutrition and weight cuts for professional cage fighters. And then I’m working with, you know, sedentary, middle aged moms that are like driving to the soccer practice, you know, said, of course, everyone is dramatically different. And I also love what you said. It’s one of my favorite things that I think of plants in nature as nature’s pharmaceuticals. It’s like these are medicine that can heal you, that can make different things happen within the body. Right. But generally speaking, we’re talking about nutrient density per gram. Right. And if anybody wants this, if you go to @justinnaultofficial on Instagram, send me a message and just tell me you want my foods list, I’ll give it to you. It’s over 110 Foods to Choose from a ton of variety. They’re all single ingredient, nutrient dense, whole foods, and they’re hand-selected for both nutrient density and bioavailability. So it’s not just does this food contain these nutrients on paper. It’s can the human metabolism access those nutrients right. Is it surrounded by things like anti nutrients that can block absorption.
So this is like when you talk about people that are dealing with illnesses and chronic conditions and things like that. The primary thing I’m trying to do is increase your metabolic rate. That’s the number one thing I want to do if we increase your metabolic rate, for example, if I can increase your core body temperature for every one degree Fahrenheit, I increase your core body temperature, Certain viruses, their replication rate drops by a factor of 200x. Wow. So what we’re doing is we’re raising the environment, the internal environment in a way that doesn’t invite illness, chronic conditions parasites, bacterial overgrowth, all these things. A lot of people are attacking those symptoms without just increasing the metabolic rate. The fastest way to improve immune system is to increase your metabolic rate.
You know, it’s actually you. I’m sure you know this. But like there are there are these cases in hospitals where people have very serious, like late stage cancer and they end up with an infection when they’re in the hospital and it drives a massive fever. They’re running at 103 and 104 degrees for 24 hours or whatever. the fever finally drops down and the person is literally cancer free. It’s astonishing.
And they consider these miraculous miracles. How did this happen? Whatever. It’s like. No, the fever is the body’s first line of defense. This is the immune system working in overdrive. You know? So metabolic rate is a huge factor in a lot of these chronic conditions, which is why like page one of my foods list is called super proteins. These are animal proteins that are gram for gram. The most nutrient dense in the world, meaning they have the most vitamins and minerals per bite of food. This is where you have like your, your oysters, your mollusks, your shrimp, your, beef liver, bone broth with collagen protein, all these vitamins and minerals, those kinds of things. Right?
So we want to get at least a few servings of those every day across the board, or even sometimes I’ll do protein sparing modified fasts with clients where they’re just drinking bone broth every day. And it’s miraculous results. So that’s really what we’re focusing on is, is vitamins and minerals, nutrient density per gram and can your body absorb those things? Does that make sense?
Absolutely. Yeah. I love some of the words that you use to for instance, you said beef liver. Yes. For too many people it’s beef. And you know, we have chicken. Well, what is broth. How many people had turkey on Thanksgiving and they took all the meat, and then they just got rid of the rest?
Yeah. Hopefully you took what was left and maybe simmered it down and maybe eight hours later ran it through a strainer and had the most nutritious part of the turkey in that broth with all of the collagen and, Glucosamine and chondroitin and the things that not only heal your joints but heal your gut. Yeah. You know, we’re so conditioned to food comes from a grocery store. And meat is the meat. And the rest of it was just discarded.
Have you, have you ever killed your own animal before eating it. I have, yes many times. I think that’s so important because when you do that there’s a certain almost spiritual thing that happens. Yes, I totally agree. You have a, you understand there was an exchange. Life exchange. And all of a sudden that whole animal becomes a lot more important. It’s not going to be I’m just going to have a couple of bites and throw the rest away. Right. And as you’re consuming the various parts of it, there’s different nutrients in different organs for instance. So when you say beef liver you know you’re getting more than just the muscle from the animal.
Yeah. Yeah I think it’s cool to when you, when you kill not you know that spiritual thing that happens. It kind of helps you understand saying grace. You know, it’s a whole different meaning now. It’s just saying, God, thank you for this nutrition that’s before me, you know? Yeah.
I love that you said that. If anyone’s in Tennessee. I lived in Nashville for 13 years, and one of my favorite stories is I tend to get my meat from local farmers. I look for local regenerative farms. Also, if anyone wants to watch, there’s a documentary film called Sacred Cow that was released in 2016. It’s on Amazon Prime. Just Google Sacred cow. And my company, Clovis helped fund that with two of my friends, Rob Wolfe and Diana Rogers. And it is incredible for learning about ethical farming practices. And so anyway, if you are living in Tennessee, go visit the people at Tennessee grass fed, Tennessee grass fed is a regenerative, 100% grass fed and 100% grass finished farm. And this guy every day goes out in the field with an acoustic guitar and his cows gather round and he plays guitar for his cows, that’s awesome
And every time an animal is slaughtered, which is, you know, the primary focus of this farm, they have beautiful lives, are rotational grazing. They’re out in the sun, everything is beautiful. And then he’s has like a full blown ceremony between himself and this animal. And they’re like super calm. they’re like, groomed and petted and like, calmed in this beautiful way. And like, gently, they mosey their way into the location where the slaughtering is going to happen. There’s no stress hormones being spiked or anything like that. It’s and it’s just an instant bump, they’re gone. And then they’re there’s so much gratitude for this experience. It’s astounding. Right.
And then it’s this is where you get into another amazing book I love people to check out is, is a book called The Vegetarian Myth. And I don’t mean that in a derogatory way, but it was a woman who was a vegan for like 20 years and was like desperately trying to do no harm. So she started doing her own farming practice, and then she’s like, well, wait, all these slugs are destroying my crops, and what do I do about these slugs? So then she’s like, okay, well, I don’t want to kill the slugs. So she got ducks and then the ducks come and the ducks eat the slugs. So the slugs are being killed by the duck. And she had this whole spiral in her brain. She’s like, no matter what I do to feed myself, other creatures have to die no matter what. Even if I’m eating exclusively plants. And so and this is where the spiritual component comes in, where you have to look around at this beautiful little reflective hollow sphere we have that is our astonishing universe.
And look at a way in which we can coexist with it, right? When it when a lion takes down a gazelle. You don’t think this lion is absolutely evil? What a terrible creature. In doing so much harm in the world, you know, it’s like the lion is taking exactly as much as it needs from nature. No more, no less. And it’s operating within this ecosystem. And then that carcass, whatever the lion doesn’t take, goes on to feed the vultures and the rodents and the bugs. And this and what you know is, is this just this beautiful ecosystem. But death is always an inevitable part of that.
Yeah. It’s interesting to see how humane animals can be when they kill, too. And I remember my kids had a snake. And the first time that snake killed it wasn’t so pretty. Yeah, the snake learned this rat is suffering. And the next time it took a rat it latched on and choked it out which puts it out quickly. But it held on to that choke hold until that rat was good and dead. It didn’t allow that rat to experience coming back to life as it was getting eaten.
Wow. Yeah. And so they learn you know, it’s death is a fact of life. There is an exchange that happens and it’s not with evil intent. It’s just who we are, how we live. It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
I, I love, you know, to circle back. I think the best part of everything that we just said between the two of us in this topic is you’re like, it sheds a whole new light on giving grace. Yeah, yeah. Like having thanks for this thing that is literally fueling your machinery to make you who you are. Yeah, I agree, I agree.
You have some, pretty cool supplements. And tell me about the protein and what’s in it.
Sure. Yeah. So the daily superfood powder is the I guess it would be called flagship product for my, my supplement line. And that is what started as the baby formula that I made in the kitchen for Savannah, my niece. It’s collagen protein 11 grams. Collagen protein. It has 6 billion cfu of probiotics. It has vitamin B12, has vitamin C, it has electrolytes, it has MCT oil. It has turmeric. It has organic cacao. It has all the things I basically just took. And the thing is like this is a quote unquote processed food. And the only thing that is used to process this food is dehydrator and very, very high powered water in a way that can cleave proteins.
Right? So it’s a processed food, but it’s ultimately almost like freeze dried, dehydrated whole foods. And then you add it to water or your almond milk or whatever you want to use. Most of my clients actually put it in their black coffee. They blend it into black coffee, and it’s a delicious, chocolaty drink, you know? But what I was attempting to do with the supplement line, Clovis was looking at things I’d gone down all the rabbit holes of soil nutrient density and the most common micronutrient deficiencies in America. Right. I make another capsule product called Daily Serenity that is magnesium, because two thirds of Americans, adults are deficient in magnesium. So all we’re trying to do with supplements is we’re not trying to do better than nature. We’re trying to support the fact that we’re so far disconnected from nature these days that we do need a little bit of help, unless we are like, everything we’re getting is from our local regenerative farmer, and virtually no Americans are living that way.
So if you’re not living that way, you may need some support and taking products that are just replenishing some of those micronutrients that you would be missing, but you’re basically supplementing Whole Foods, if that makes sense. That’s what I’m trying to do with all of my products.
No, it does make sense. You know, chances are people aren’t getting the collagen, for instance. Yes, exactly. As they’re eating the muscle and that’s it. When it comes to probiotics, everything that we’re getting is cooked, killed, sterilized. And I did notice the probiotic that you have in yours is the, bacillus subtilis, which from what I’ve seen, all the probiotics that seem to work have that particular strain in it. Yes. Because I noticed it with the bio-kult and I think it’s in the, microbiome labs, they make the, mega spore, I Yeah, there’s one I think that’s in that one as well. And I’ve seen really good results with those particular probiotics. And the big common denominator is the, Bacillus subtilis. I also like the concept of powdered foods for convenience sake. When I travel, I’m taking my, you know, powdered foods with me just in case I need a quick fix.
Yeah. So they’re, they’re convenient and they’re meeting the needs of the things that aren’t normally included in our diet. It makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
And also the concept of when we talk about immune function right. Like the digestive system is the same way or everything I’m trying to do with increasing metabolic rate is making your cells create more energy. The more energy we have, the better. So if you are suffering from a low energy state in your metabolism, your digestion is also going to suffer. So when people have a low metabolic rate, these powders that you’re adding to water and everything can be unbelievably beneficial because they’re so easy on the digestive system, you know, and that’s where things come in. And there’s so much visualization around fruit juice or fruit sugar and all these things like natural sugar versus whatever. But it’s like really like something like coconut water is a fantastic choice for someone who’s digestive system doesn’t really work well to get some electrolytes, to get some sugar. So the for the cells that need glucose, that kind of thing, it’s like, can we make the digestive process as easy on the body as possible when someone’s coming to us in a less than ideal health state.
Sure. Yeah. Or aloe vera. Yeah for sure. See I got it growing right behind me here. Amazing. Yeah. Shot of day, man. That’s it. All kinds of electrolytes and, great for digestion. That’s a truly unique product. I don’t know, is that something that you sell? That is actually my number one product. Oh, amazing. Yeah. You know what’s pretty cool about it, too? Because as you talk about the sugars, a lot of people don’t realize that, aloe vera is primarily made up of sugars. Yeah. But it’s a specific sugar mannose which this is interesting. Especially people that like low sugar diets, people that feel better in a near ketogenic state. It’s actually when, when they gave it to rats that were in ketosis they stayed in ketosis. Well, diabetics take it because it actually lowers and stabilizes their blood sugar levels. And the coolest thing about it that I found out is that that particular sugar molecule, cancer cells, will bind to it because they love sugar, but they can’t use it for energy and they can’t release it. So it kind of takes up that sugar binding site so they can’t consume the glucose, and it causes them to starve. So some unique things with the aloe vera that, keep on learning more and more about it.
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Good stuff. Yeah. When it comes to metabolism. How much does diet have to do with it? And how much does exercise have to do with it? Oh, I love this question, man. You know, when you spoke about RFK coming to light, it’s you know RFK is not saying anything.
I don’t know how to say this about sounding like a hipster or something, but like RFK is not saying anything that I haven’t been saying on my podcast for eight years. It’s just that eight years ago, everyone who said these things was called a quack, was accused of misinformation, blah blah blah. And it’s always like the kind of bro science, like calories in, calories out.
If you are in a calorie deficit, you will be the healthiest ever. Right now. I think that’s absolute nonsense. I think some of the worst advice we’ve ever given is telling people to eat less food, but they love to say you can’t change your metabolic rate that much, and they’re looking at the wrong thing. They’re looking at, NEAT
which is non exercise, activity thermogenesis or something like that. So like if you me talking or moving my fingers or whatever is like burning a specific number of calories, what they’re not looking at is your metabolic rate, your resting metabolic rate, which is like, if I laid on the couch for 24 hours a my eyes closed and did nothing but breathe and let my blood pump right, how many calories would I burn at rest?
That accounts for over 70% of your total daily energy expenditure. So if I can increase your metabolic rate, you’re going to have more energy available. And yes, it’s going to require more energy. You’re going to burn more calories at rest. But and then when you go exercise, like if you are massively exercising every day, you might squeak out an extra 3 to 500 calories in like your total energy expenditure, right?
It makes a lot more sense to go impact the 70% of your daily calorie burn. And this is assuming that you’re living by calories in, calories out, and assuming that that model is like perfect for health and wellness. So, I mean, it’s mostly metabolism. And then even when it gets to exercise all the different pathways of what substrate you’re burning for fuel and the different energy sources and that kind of thing, that’s still going to be dictated by your metabolism and how your cells are functioning.
So metabolism drives absolutely everything, you know. And another example of this is in clinical studies, depressed and anxious subjects generate on average about 20% less ATP cellular energy than non depressed and anxious subjects. So I mean your metabolism is the driver of everything. Absolutely everything. I think it’s the single most important aspect of health and wellness. Yeah, yeah.
I’m still a little confused though And what is actually increasing the metabolism. Yeah. So generally speaking these are the nutrients like the vitamins and minerals. Right. So that you have your micronutrients which are other vitamins and minerals that act like cofactors and enzymes in the body. And then you have the energy substrates which is like your fat, your glucose, right.
Fatty acids and glucose will say fat and sugar that are broken down and then used for energy. So it’s this is where things get a little bit nerdy. And we can talk about like seed oils and metabolic disruptors and things like that. But you have you’re either burning sugar or you’re burning fatty acids and you have, you know, glycolysis or beta oxidation at the very top.
And then downstream things move into the citric acid cycle. And then from the citric acid cycle, they move into the last step of energy production, which is the electron transport chain. And that’s where ATP is generated through the phospholipid membrane. Right. So every single one of those stages, right. There’s eight steps in the citric acid cycle. They all require these sort of cofactors and enzymes.
These are the micronutrients. So if you could have a diet that and we see this today with a term called Sarcopenic obesity. These are patients who are considered clinically obese. At least 30 pounds or more overweight. And they have very low skeletal muscle mass and in some cases osteoporosis. So it’s like, wait a second. They have no muscles.
Their bones are basically disintegrating. They’re storing body fat. And we’re telling them to eat less calories. The focus on calories is what’s literally killing that person, because they may be eating 2500, 2000, 3000 calories a day. But those are, you know, this term, empty calories. They don’t have vitamins and minerals. If you’re eating like a low fat cracker, there’s no vitamins and minerals in there.
So it’s actually the micronutrients that are the main driver of increasing that metabolic rate, which is why everything I do focuses on nutrient density. So you can eat, you know, 2000 calories of strawberry Pop-Tarts, or you could eat 2000 calories of red meat, eggs, wild caught fish, some organic fruits and veggies. Right. And your metabolism is going to behave x I mean, significant differently than it would with these sorts of empty calories.
So it’s really the micronutrients that are driving that increase in metabolic rate. But also important that as we ramp up the metabolism, we have enough of the energy macros to fuel that energy production. So I’m saying, yeah, I do, because I wasn’t sure if that was one of the food choices that we make affect our hormone levels.
And, you know, people that are eating sugars don’t have the hormones to drive the metabolism or, you know, I wasn’t really sure what the mechanism was. Well, if I can touch on that too, that it’s really important, right. Because every single thing that your body does, from hormone production to blinking your eyelids, is a result of energy production in the body.
So if you have low energy, you are going to have low testosterone or low progesterone as a woman, right? So if you don’t have enough energy to fuel these things, like hypothyroid is usually as easy as increasing the energy available in the body and doing it through nutrient dense whole foods, you know? So it’s like everything is a result of metabolism.
Or when someone says, like, I have adrenal fatigue, like, okay, adrenal fatigue is downstream, we got to go back upstream and see what’s causing that. I use the analogy of like a river. There’s like a village on top of a mountain, and this village just throws all their trash in the river and the trash goes down the river into another town at the bottom of the mountain, where there’s a big lake and the is loaded with trash.
And the villagers down at the bottom of the lake, they’re just scooping trash out every single day. And every day there’s more trash. And they’re trying to handle this trash, which is like adrenal fatigue. Or they could go up to the thyroid town and address the issue that’s happening at the level of the thyroid. That’s leading to a low energy state, that’s causing the adrenals to pump stress hormones to try to function in this way because they are desperately trying to get enough energy to just survive, like go up the mountain and teach that village a waste management system, and then you don’t have to clean the river every day.
You see what I’m saying? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. That’s good. I like the analogies. You got some good ones. Thanks, man. Yeah, I think it’s really important. You know, someone told me once, I think there’s an Einstein quote that says something like, if you can’t explain something to a kindergartner, you don’t understand it or something like that. So I just spent a lot of years just like, okay, how can I make this make sense?
Because it’s ridiculous to think that someone who has, you know, a 40 hour a week career and three kids and a spouse and it’s like, well, what are you going to do? Go study biochemistry for fun? It’s like you don’t have time to try to break these things down in a dead simple way. Yeah, I’d love to hear about one of your favorite, testimonial transformations where someone thought maybe they were coming for weight loss, yet left with something completely different.
Yeah, there are so many to choose from. Based on this conversation, I think one that I would like the best is probably Jenny. Jenny is amazing. Jenny did a podcast with me. Her story is very public, and I’m allowed to have consent to share all of her before and after pictures. Everything. She had ended up hospitalized, actually, because she was following such low calorie diets.
And she’s a very tall woman. She’s like six 1 or 6 two, and she was following these diets that were like 1200 calories a day, 1300 calories a day, thousand calories a day, whatever. She actually followed a specific YouTube influencer and ended up on something called the Banana Diet, where all she did was eat bananas because she was so desperate to try to get this weight off, and meanwhile she’s just destroying herself.
She’s doing 90 minute workouts, high intensity workouts every single day. The weight is not budging. Her before picture is really like, oh no, this person is like in a in a really bad spot. So she comes to me, we were cleaning up the diet. We give her some macros and everything, and I asked her, I said, you need to give me at least 30 to 60 days without all the high intensity exercise.
And she’s like, okay, got you. So I’m trusting her that she’s doing all the things she says. She’s eating the food, she’s hitting the macros and all these different things and telling me what’s happening and the weights not budging. And it was about 30 days in, and I know all of my programs are guaranteed if they don’t work for you, I will hand you your money back.
It’s going to work, period. Right. So I, I got on a call with her and we’re face to face like this. And I said, hey, you got to tell me what’s going on. You got to tell me what potential disruptors are here that are blocking you from getting the results that you want. And she said, well, I got to be honest with you, I’m still working out 90 minutes, a two hours a day.
I’m still doing the super high intensity exercise and blah, blah, blah. Now keep in mind, I had created a plan for her based on her just going for light walks, right? So now there’s a huge energy deficit. Her body is in a ultra stress state or cortisol spiked. All these things. And I said, I’m going to be real with you here.
You have to do what I tell you to do, and you got to give up this high intensity exercise or we can’t work together anymore. So we had like this sort of come to Jesus moment. She says, okay. She agreed. Seven days later, she was down 11 pounds. She went on to lose over 67 pounds in the time that we worked together.
And now, I mean, I don’t know, she may be down over 100 pounds. I have some people that continue after I work together in multiple stories of people losing 100 pounds
and what’s crazy about that story is once it clicked for her, she’s like, wow, I was abusing myself. I was like, actually abusing myself and causing a problem is something that society has told me was healthy, right?
Once that clicked, she was able to look around her life and say, what else is toxic? So now the base of the pyramid handled. We’re healing her body. She’s getting plenty of nutrients, which is changing the way she’s thinking. Her cognitive function is changing. She’s showing up better for her kids, and she immediately realized, I’m not spending enough time with my kids.
She quit her job, started her own business, started making more money in less time, spending more time with her family. And then she took up her own mobility practice, which is a, something I recommend to some people called Gold Medal Bodies, a program called GMB that has really, really foundational, like beginner friendly sort of movement practices. So now she has a movement practice that she loves.
She’s no longer punishing her body, and she’s usually doing it outside in the sunshine, barefoot in the grass. I mean, it transformed her entire life. Her testimony is fantastic. That is transformation. Yes. Everything’s different. Everything. Yeah. Oh, man, I love it, I love it. What’s the right amount of exercise? That’s a critically important question because it’s different for each and every individual.
Right I love training I have like I said I was deadlifting 400 plus pounds. Right. It’s like I am purple belt in jujitsu. All these different things. Like I love training, but I used to do it very masochistic I had low self-worth, so I was like, well, I have to be this savage guy or
I’m not worth anything David Goggins style, right?
Like I’m not facing any of my internal demons. I’m just running from them with this addiction to exercise. So some people are going to come to me and that ten minute walk. That’s one of my daily non-negotiables. For every full meal you have. After the meal, you step outside. You set a timer on your phone for five minutes, and you take a leisurely walk in the sun.
And when the timer goes off, you turn around and you come home. That’s your ten minute walk. Post-Meal that’s it. Preferably do that three times a day. If you have three full meals a day for some people, that’s actually going to be all that their body can handle with it still being beneficial to them. For me, I can handle a tremendous amount of stress on my body and a tremendous amount of physical activity that is actually still beneficial for my metabolic system.
But I have a 20 year history of athletics 20 plus years, you know? So this is why I always tell people to meet themselves where they are. Because if you’ve been sedentary and this is where we get to, right around the corner is New Year’s resolutions, right? So it’s like I’m going to go from sedentary doing nothing to eating 1300 calories a day, and I’m going to go to Planet Fitness, and I’m going workout five days a week, and Monday is chest and biceps, and Tuesday is back and triceps.
And I got a personal trainer to do this thing. Saturday comes and they’re like horribly sore. They’re super hungry. They have low energy like what is this? And I think the statistic is like 85% of people ditch their New Year’s resolution before February even begins, right? That’s why you’re doing too much too soon, which is also the exact opposite of an act of self-love.
You are sending a signal to yourself. You are not good enough as you are, and you better step it up and you better get your butt in the gym. I don’t care how tired you are, you need to go there. This is what healthy people do and this is why we have all these stories in society that getting healthy sucks or getting healthy is hard or no pain, no gain.
I always tell people there’s nothing you’re going to do for your health that’s good for you long term. That feels bad, you know? Is like getting healthy should be an enjoyable experience for sure. So just meet yourself where you are, like, drink a glass of water and go for a walk. You don’t need to go join a CrossFit gym.
I agree. And you know, especially when it comes into, you know, people are starting too fast, going into hard and doing too much. And it’s a bad experience and they drop out. I completely agree with it. You know, if you’re going to start going back to the gym, that first workout doesn’t have to be heavy. It doesn’t have to have that many repetitions, probably not even more than one set of each body part.
Nice and easy. Turn the muscles back on. Don’t have a bad experience. And then maybe next time you do a little bit more. Absolutely. Listen to it. If you can think of it as a marathon not a sprint. That makes the most sense. Like if you are making changes to shift your identity and live as a healthy person, you now have the rest of your life to increase the weight or increase the reps or whatever.
You’re going on a journey that is a lifelong journey. You know, that’s really the thing is, like, are you looking for an identity shift because there’s a false belief people have of like, well, I’ll be healthy after I lose 100 pounds. No, no, no. You make a light switch decision to live as a healthy person today and your body will have no choice but to manifest optimal health and wellness because you are a healthy person.
That’s beautiful. I think people have two options here. A lot of people do need the help. They need more information. We touched on some stuff today. There’s so much more. And I think people have two options. One is either subscribe where they can get more information, and the other one would be to probably schedule an appointment with you.
Where are the two best places to do that? To either subscribe for more information or where would they go to schedule? One on one with you? Yeah. At this point, for anything working with me, I run it through Instagram. So all of my social media handles are @justinnaultofficial That’s everywhere. If you search Justin Nault it’ll pop right up, go to Instagram, follow me, because you’re gonna get a lot of free, valuable advice there.
And then click the message button. And any time you message me, it’s me. You’re dealing with me directly is not a team member or something like that. And just tell me that you heard me on a podcast. Ask me questions about what resonated for you. If you want the foods list, I’ll send you the foods list. We want to talk exercise.
We’ll talk exercise. I’m there to just converse with you, have a conversation and see where you’re at and see if I can help you. And if you want to work together, we can work together. And if you’re just looking for some freebies and you want to go do your own research and stuff, I’ll point you in the right direction.
That’s awesome. Justin, this is one of my favorite podcasts yet. Oh, men Thank you You’re awesome. Wow. Thank you.
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