In dental school, the research from Weston A. Price DDS was never discussed. Dr. Price (1870 – 1948) travelled the world to understand the relationship between food and health, specifically as it relates to cavities and jaw structure. He found that the further we got from real foods (traditional foods) present in the given culture, the more dental problems we have. The “Weston A. Price Foundation” is the documentation and continuation of his work made available to those that want it.
Jordan Rubin had similar influence in my life when it comes to diet. He emphasized 3 criteria when it comes to food – biblical foods that are created traditionally and backed by science.
About This Episode
Dr. Al Danenberg joins Dr. Michael Haley to discuss eating nose to tail, oral and gut health, and his personal experience living with multiple myeloma. He shares the treatment decisions he made, the accident that led to hospice care, and his emphasis on quality of life. His discussion of unconventional protocols reflects his personal experiences and interpretations.
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Quick Takeaway
For Dr. Al Danenberg, the central question is how to preserve quality of life while living with a serious illness. He describes an animal-based, nose-to-tail approach to eating, his interest in oral and gut health, and the personal practices he included in his unconventional protocols. He emphasizes that his goal was to support his immune system rather than claim a cure for his cancer.
The conversation also explores the encouragement he received from his wife, his decision to leave hospice, and his desire to help others find hope and resilience.
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Episode Timestamps
- 0:00 — Introduction and nutrient-dense foods
- 0:53 — Weston A. Price, dental training, and traditional diets
- 4:41 — Jordan Rubin: biblical foods, tradition, and science
- 5:49 — COVID and the background to Dr. Al’s health challenges
- 6:20 — Multiple myeloma diagnosis and personal treatment decisions
- 8:09 — Broken bones, hospice, and his wife’s encouragement
- 11:17 — His experience revoking hospice
- 15:14 — Tough love and coping with a life-changing diagnosis
- 16:46 — Introducing his unconventional protocols
- 17:29 — Nose-to-tail eating and animal-based nutrition
- 21:13 — Phytonutrients and his views on plant anti-nutrients
- 23:39 — Organ meats and desiccated organs
- 26:23 — PEMF and how the speakers use it
- 30:34 — His untested approach to taking spore-based probiotics
- 34:16 — Nutrient density, metabolic flexibility, and minerals in water
- 36:29 — Gut microbiome and gut lining
- 38:19 — Molecular hydrogen
- 40:54 — Quality of life versus extended life
- 43:01 — Coaching and connecting the dots
- 44:36 — Better Belly Blueprint and his forthcoming book
- 45:52 — What he wishes he had done differently
- 50:13 — Hope, resilience, and how he wants to be remembered
- 51:29 — Closing remarks and resources
Who Was Weston A. Price?
Dr. Danenberg reflects on Price’s observations of traditional diets, cavities, facial development, and jaw structure. He says this work was absent from his dental training. Dr. Haley connects that discussion with Jordan Rubin’s emphasis on biblical foods, traditional preparation, and science.
Dr. Al’s Multiple Myeloma Diagnosis and COVID Experience
Dr. Danenberg says he was diagnosed with multiple myeloma in 2018 and given three to six months to live. He explains why he declined chemotherapy at that time and developed what he called his unconventional cancer protocols. He describes those decisions in terms of his own prognosis and concerns about quality of life, rather than claiming that the protocols cured his cancer.
He also recounts a bad reaction to an immunotherapy drug in June 2021, followed by COVID. He describes lingering lethargy and aching, says he did not require hospitalization or medication for COVID, and attributes his experience to the immune support practices he had adopted.
Dr. Al’s Unbelievable Accident Injury
In August 2019, Dr. Danenberg says his fragile femur broke when he twisted while brushing and flossing his teeth. The fall also broke ribs and his right humerus. Listen at 8:30 for details.
He describes feeling ready to die and entering hospice. A hurricane forced an evacuation, and he returned home for hospice care. With encouragement from his wife and help from a physical therapist, he says he improved, revoked hospice in October 2019, and returned to his oncologist.
Dr. Al’s Unconventional Cancer Protocol
Dr. Danenberg describes eating “nose to tail” as including organs, animal fat, bone marrow, and cartilage alongside muscle meat. He emphasizes pasture-raised animals, their diets, and humane handling. The speakers discuss their view that some plant phytonutrients can also reach people through animal foods.
He argues that certain plant compounds, which he calls anti-nutrients, may affect the gut microbiome, and contrasts human digestion with the digestive systems of ruminant animals. These are his interpretations of the topics discussed.
For people who do not enjoy organ meats, he discusses desiccated organs in capsules. He considers these a form of food because the water has been removed, and describes either taking the capsules or opening them over other foods.
The conversation also covers pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, or PEMF. Dr. Danenberg uses the analogy of recharging cellular batteries to explain his view of its potential effects on mitochondria and cell membranes. Both speakers describe using different settings for daytime energy and evening relaxation.
Dr. Al’s Unconventional Probiotic Method
Dr. Danenberg describes an idea he discussed with Kiran Krishnan from Microbiome Labs: opening MegaSporeBiotic capsules, mixing the contents with water, swishing, and then swallowing. He explicitly says this method had not been tested.
His hypothesis is that spores might attach to dental plaque and potentially benefit the bacteria there. He discusses what he considers healthy dental plaque and possible effects of swishing or gargling; the conversation presents these as his reasoning and personal practice.
Animal-Based Eating, Metabolic Flexibility, and Gut Health
Dr. Danenberg describes his preferred nutrient-dense diet as at least 70% animal foods by volume, with 30% or less from plants. He discusses limiting foods high in oxalates, lectins, and phytates, while including some fruits and raw honey depending on carbohydrate intake.
He explains his concept of metabolic flexibility as moving between fat and carbohydrates for fuel, spending much of the week in ketosis and adding more carbohydrates on some days. He also discusses minerals in natural spring water or added trace minerals rather than relying exclusively on heavily filtered water.
Gut microbial diversity and the integrity of the gut lining are central to his approach. He discusses probiotics as part of his personal protocols, and Dr. Haley connects gut health with his own interest in immune support.
Dr. Al’s Views on Molecular Hydrogen
Dr. Danenberg describes using hydrogen-rich water and explains why he prefers intermittent intake over drinking it continuously. He characterizes molecular hydrogen as a selective antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent, contrasting it with his concerns about some supplemental antioxidants. These statements reflect his interpretation of the research and his personal use.
What Is Your Most Important Work Accomplished?
Dr. Danenberg discusses his short e-book, Better Belly Blueprint, which outlines his approach to animal-based eating and immune support. At the time of the interview, he also described a forthcoming book, Eat As If Your Life Depends On It, focused on his views of human evolution and metabolic flexibility. He directs listeners to his blog for his writing on these topics.
What Do You Wish You Did Differently?
Dr. Danenberg discusses his belief that exposure to radiation and mercury during dental training may have contributed to his cancer. He presents this as his explanation of his own history. Beyond those exposures, he says he has no regrets and reflects on how learning from bad decisions can make someone a better person.
What Would You Like to Be Remembered For?
He says he would like to be remembered for helping people find hope, become resilient, and have faith while facing difficult circumstances. His answer connects the practical challenges of serious illness with his personal spiritual outlook.
Schedule with Dr. Al
During the interview, Dr. Danenberg described online appointments and 12-week coaching programs offered through https://drdanenberg.com. This preserves the resource discussed in the original episode; the interview does not establish current appointment availability.
Quality of Life vs. Extended Life
Dr. Danenberg says his priority is quality of life: thinking clearly, communicating comfortably, functioning well, and enjoying what he is doing. He discusses how pain, reduced mobility, and the effects of narcotics could affect those priorities for him.
He acknowledges the seriousness of his multiple myeloma and says he could die at any time. His goal, as he describes it, is to maintain the highest quality of life he can while accepting what may come. He connects that goal with his efforts to support his immune system and his desire to keep helping others.
What You Will Learn In This Show
- Who is Weston A. Price
- Dr. Al Danenberg’s Health Challenge
- Dr. Al’s Unconventional Cancer Protocols
- Revoking Hospice
- Quality of Life vs. Extended Life
- And so much more
Medical Disclaimer
This podcast and article are provided for educational and informational purposes only and do not constitute medical advice. The experiences and opinions discussed are those of the speakers and should not replace diagnosis or treatment from a qualified healthcare professional. Do not begin, discontinue, or change any medication, supplement, diet, or treatment based solely on this episode.
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– You know, you are full of life and vibrancy and happiness and just a gorgeous smile. I can already tell your magnetic personality, probably got a gazillion friends.
– No, come on, not at all.
– No, I’m just a 75-year-old old guy doing my thing, that’s all.
And doing a little bit of research and watching some of your content, you use a lot of the same words that I use.
– Uh-oh.
– Well, this is good stuff. Things like, for instance, you know, you talk about nutrient dense foods, and you know, with your history as a period of dentists, I would imagine maybe you’ve learned them or studied, or you know, maybe a little bit of Western A price.
– Possibly?
– Oh, of course. But you know, it’s very interesting. I mean, this is a good tangent right now.
– In dental school.
– And I would say that my dental training although it was way back in the late 1960s early 1970s, dentist never learned about Western A price. The name never was part of our curriculum. His research, qualitative, whatever. His research never was discussed in dental school. That to me is not only amazing, it’s sad. It’s sad that that approach was never discussed that observational data was never given the light of day in dental school.
Now, just for that sake of those listening, tell us a little bit about who Western A price was and what time frame he was and what he did.
Yeah, great. Time frame, I don’t remember, but I do remember what was at the early 1900s. I can’t exactly remember when it was. I think he was the president of the dental association that had his own name in that time at some point. And he decided for some reason, and unfortunately, I don’t remember the biography much, but he decided that there has to be a reason why people have healthy mouths and don’t have healthy mouths.
And he scoured the the world actually to learn of indigenous peoples eating off the land. And then there are more westernized counterparts having serious dental issues, not just tooth decay or gum disease, but facial abnormalities and jaw abnormalities, and he basically came up with a variety of concepts that had to do with the healthy diet and the nutrients that were in the foods that these specific societies ate that allowed their bodies to heal well or to progress well or to develop well, talking about from the date of birth, having babies breastfed and not giving bottles and then on and on and on.
He also had a lot of information about root canals and many other people following him had other information about how potentially harmful root canals work. Of course, in those days, when they did root canals, they were really bad. I mean, I’m not a proponent of root canals today, and we can go into that a little bit maybe, but in those days, the root canals were very, very archaic and very unhealthy and mechanically could never be negotiated to the degree that they are today, but still today, the root canals are highly questionable, especially in abscess fees, where there are more than one root, or the root is not completely straight, it has some kind of angle to it in the bone.
What’s in a price was brilliant, and his research literally paved the way for people to understand nutrition as so much to do to the development of the jaw, and the other prevalence of toothache and gum disease.
Yeah, I’ve been discussing dental school. You know, years later there was someone that I admire, Jordan Rubin, who was the founder of a company called the Garden of Life, and he had written a book called The Makers Diet, and this kind of helped me tie things together when it came to people like Western A. Price, who had a very strong foundation in understanding the traditional foods that people ate with regards to the area that they lived in, and how it met their needs.
And George Rubin talked about looking at your diet from three perspectives. One being, well, he was on Messianic Jew, so what was written in the scriptures was important. And, you know, somehow as we find out those things in the scriptures seem to match up with the next two criteria. So that other criteria, tradition and the third one being science, the example I like to use in the case of animal foods, is, you know, beef is acceptable in a biblical diet. But traditionally cows were out in the pasture eating grass. And scientifically, grass fed beef is higher in omega-3s.
I know you had a recent history of COVID.
Yes.
And I myself did too. What was your experience like? Because it kicked my butt.
Well, you have to understand my medical condition to understand what COVID did to me and why it did what it did. So, do you want me to give you a little bit of background about where I was?
Absolutely.
So, your listeners and viewers may or may not know that I was diagnosed in 2018 with an incurable bone marrow cancer called multiple myeloma. Very specifically, IGA capitalite chain multiple myeloma with severe lytic lesions throughout my entire skeleton meeting. My bones were so fragile that could break easily. My bones were literally looking like a person that had serious osteoporosis.
And it was incurable and I was given three to six months to live. So, in September 2018, my oncologist said three to six months to live or you need to start chemo right away and maybe we can prolong your life. But multiple myeloma will still kill you.
Basically, I rejected chemo. I created some of my unconditional cancer protocols to what I proposed was going to support my immune system. Not cure my cancer, but support my immune system so that I could at least fight the fight that I’m an immune system is designed to fight and not destroy my immune system with a bunch of artificial archaic chemicals which would be chemo.
Now, chemo is fine, I guess, for certain people that have a high success rate, I’m not a proponent of putting anything in my body that’s going to destroy my body, but certainly I had in curable disease, chemo would not cure my cancer.
So, I got involved with these ways of living and eating that support of my immune system. And I did quite well.
As a matter of fact, in 2019, a year or so after my diagnosis, I was still alive, but I had a serious accident. You can call it an accident. I was standing in my bathroom, brushing and flossing my teeth, and I twisted to the left to throw my dental floss away. At that time, it was August of 2019. When I twisted about 90 degrees, I didn’t realize how fragile my bones were my right femur snapped in half. I crashed to the floor, broke several ribs, and broke my right humerus in half.
I’m lying on the floor literally in the pain. And I’m screaming to form my wife. And I knew it was pretty bad. And finally, you know, the emergency text come and they came to the hospital. And I thought I was ready to die. And I wanted to die. And as a matter of fact, they fixed my right femur. And they put me into a hospice hospital to die.
Interestingly, there was a hurricane coming through Charleston in September of 2019. And it was going to have a direct hit to the hospice hospital. All the patients had to be evacuated. And they didn’t know where to send me. My wife was an RN. And they sent me home. My wife got a hospital bed. And I was at home in hospice.
But my wife, Jamie, a little bit of tough love. She’s a phenomenal strong woman. And really is my anchor. And she basically said, “Look, let’s get back on your unconventional cancer protocols and then you get a physical therapist in. Let’s see if we can get you out of this terrible funk and maybe you’ll do better.” And at low and behold, I did. And I got out of bed. I got a caceter finally out of my body, which was a terrible experience. And then was in a month in October. I revoked hospice and went back to my oncologist who was amazed that I was alive.
Now all of this is a precursor to just telling you, I have done a lot to improve my immune system. So in, I guess it would be June of 2021. I was taking an immunotherapy drug, which was not chemo, but it was supposed to support my immune system and kill some of the malignant plasma cells. And I had a very bad reaction to that and it weakened my immune system. And when it weakened my immune system, I got COVID.
So the interesting thing is, COVID just killed me. I never had a call time. I never had a fever, I never lost taste. The upper respiratory issue, I took care of with some inhalation of oxygen peroxide. And then everything was good, but I had lingering left their duty and lots of achy muscles in that joint issues. But I’d never had to take any medicine. I never had to go to the hospital. And I attribute that to the immune system that I built up all along from the time my diagnosis. And that’s my experience with COVID.
Wow, there is a lot to unpack in that. And I want to go back to when you said you were on hospice. What year did you say that was?
2019. It was August of 2019. One year after I was diagnosed with this incurable bone marrow.
And I think hospice, they kind of have a set of guidelines because you had already indicated that prior to that, you know, you were given three to six months based on your diagnosis. And then I think putting in the hospice system is, you know, also a short window of expectation.
Right.
And you used a term that I have never heard before. And you said, I revoked my hospice. I’ve never heard that. And I didn’t know it was even a possibility. I didn’t know it happens.
Most people, 99% of the people that are in hospice are die in hospice. That is the process. Hospice is a phenomenal organization, by the way. It is independently run. So there are good hospice companies, and they are not so good hospice companies. Just like there are good nurses and bad nurses.
So the hospice organization, if you get into a good one, number one, you can’t be admitted unless you have a diagnosis or a prognosis of it. I think no more than a year to live, sometimes it’s only six months. And that’s the prognosis. That doesn’t mean that you have to die, but that’s what the doctors say you’re going to do, and therefore you’re eligible for hospice.
So hospice is basically pain control. They control your pain so that you die comfortably. That’s the whole idea, but they do a whole lot more. They also have social services to help you psychologically to help your spouse psychologically. They have financial counseling. If you don’t have your finances in order, they have counseling in what to do with a cemetery, or however you prepare to die, they do a lot for you along the way.
But if you are doing well, your doctor can still allow you to stay in hospice even though you don’t die, because if you still have this prognosis that is terminal, you are still eligible to continue with hospice.
So what I happened with me is I was terminal or at that point thinking I was certainly incurable. And that was the standards of our oncology department in the Western world. If you do things that are unconventional and it makes you healthier than conventional oncology surprise and you could get out hospice.
So I revoked hospice. I’m revoking hospice means that I’m now allowed to go back into medical treatment. When you’re in hospice you can’t have medical treatment. So you can’t have x-rays and you can’t have medicines prescribed to you for curing a disease because hospice is only designed to take care of pain. And that’s an allow the combination of normal medical treatment as well as pain control. So yes, I did revoke hospice.
You know, that’s the best understanding I’ve ever gotten from the best explanation and you know, who better from then? Someone that’s been through it and then out of it. So thank you for sharing that.
Absolutely. Yeah. I guess that you could say I’ve been to the edge of death and then have come back.
Now, the other thing that that really excited me in your story so far was hearing that ringside pep talk from your wife.
Oh my God. So all I can tell you is she understands tough love. And if you see, if you see a person giving tough love, you’re not so sure they’re giving you tough love, or they’re just badgering you and arguing with you. So my wife is a very strong individual. And she basically said, “What the hell’s going on, Al?” You know, you did so well. What are you giving in for? Don’t become a victim. If you’re going to die, okay, but if you’re not going to die yet, let’s fight.
So that’s exactly what she helped me do. And she, she has helped me with bounce of depression. I mean, can you imagine, yourself walking into a doctor’s office thinking that you have a torn-rocade data cuff because your muscles are sore in your shoulder or whatever. And all of a sudden, all the lab work were the x-rays come back and says, “Oh no, you have a cancer that’s going to kill you.” I mean, all of a sudden, your life turns around. I think.
Wow, amazing.
Now, you have these protocols that you’ve developed. And I took a sneak peek already on your blog, Dr. Jan and Gurg.com. I will have links below the video of this. And I’ll have the URL on the podcast. I can’t hotly income the podcast or anything there. But all the content’s going to be available to everyone. And when you get an email, my followers, the links are going to be there to your blog. I want you to check out especially the page of the 11-un conventional cancer protocols. And what’s really cool is I use a lot of these very same things. You don’t have to have cancer to employ these things in your life and benefit from them. I want to talk about a few of them.
And one of the things that you mentioned when it came to food animal foods, you nose to tail. Can you tell us about that?
Sure. Um, surprise. I’m not in the plant-based world. Um, there is so much research with humans, not animals. Humans that have severe chronic disease and cancers that are literally being cured in areas of the world that are not the United States per se, but for example, in Budapest hungry, the clinic called the Paleo-Medicina clinic. They have been in existence for maybe 11 or so years now. They treated over 6,000 patients now and they only treat severe chronic disease and various types of cancer, many of which are considered terminal or incurable. And they treat their patients with a very strict animal-based diet. They call it the Paleolithiccinogenic diet, which is a 100 percent animal-based, and I’ll explain those to you in a moment, with no plants whatsoever. No supplements, and no prescription drugs. And they are getting results that will blow you away. And they report their case reports in various journals that are translated in English. And that is is quite impressive.
So notice the tail means. Let’s say you’re eating a beef cattle. Notice the tail would mean you’re not just eating the muscle meat. You’re not eating a rib eye steak every day and that’s your diet. You may be eating a rib eye steak or ground beef or whatever, but you’re eating all of the organs. Eating the animal fat. You’re eating the bone marrow. You’re eating the cartilage from the throat of the cattle. You’re eating all of the elements of the animal nose to tail. And those elements that are not just the muscle meat have the nutrients your body needs. In bio-available forms, in proper ratios. So there are no, I would say basically there are all or almost all the nutrients. A human needs to not only survive, but thrive are in these nutrients if you’re eating the animal nose to tail.
Now, the animal must be raised in a human in fashion. Stress animals destroy their guts and their animal fat, just like stress destroys our bodies. So they need to be raised humanly, they need to be butchered humanly, and they need to eat the foods that are natural for cattle, which is grass and those things that grow as grass, not grains, and certainly not be injected with hormones and antibiotics. So these animals are very clean, pastured animals that are raised in a human way and slaughtered appropriately. And all of these nutrients make up the nose to tail. And that’s where the body has received the nutrients it needs to build its immune system. And the immune system is the bottom line to health.
Yeah, you know, and it’s interesting a lot of people would say, “No, you need these these phytonutrients.” Well, you know, what if I’m eating the things that ate the phytonutrients or I’m eating things that ate the things that ate the phytonutrients? You know, they are in there. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the salmon, it’s color. Are the plant nutrients. It’s in there. The things that make that, you know, dairy-tented yellow and, you know, give the meats their color. So we’re getting the plant nutrients on an animal-based diet. So you’re not really missing anything.
Well, you’re absolutely correct. And the point that’s really critical to understand is that the plants are living structures that have the desire to propagate. So when plants need to propagate, they need to grow and not be destroyed or eaten, or they would, their species would, would disappear from the earth. So plants have innate chemicals in their leaves and their stems, and their seeds. They have, they have these chemicals that are disruptive to certain animals that try to eat them. So when humans eat these plants, some of these elements, called anti-nutrients, can damage our gut microbiome without really understanding it.
Now, if you ate spinach, you’re not going to die from spinach in one day. But some of the anti-nutrients accumulate over time. And that’s the big destructive fashion.
But rumen and animals, like cattle and beef, have four stomachs. They eat these foods that maybe have anti-nutrients, but they have a system, a digestive system, to destroy them. The human digestive system doesn’t have the method to destroy them. But like you said, we get all the nutrient benefit in the animal-based, nose-to-tail eating style without the anti-nutrients that are inherent in the plants that are there to protect the plants so they can pop a game.
Oh, well said, thank you.
Now, I do like some organ meats, for instance, you know, branch rager would be like a mix of beef with liver, but liver by itself might be a little tough for me. Where would you get your- I know the answer, I’m a little cheap, it’s on your blog. But where do you get your animal-
Yeah. There are only a few, I must tell you that there are only a few organs that I like to eat. I will eat liver, I’m not a big one beef liver, but I do like chicken liver, may not be the best liver, but it is a good liver. I do not eat a hard-spline kidney, but I do eat thyme every now and then that would be the sweet breads, which is there no-and-buy.
But if you don’t eat the organ itself, you can get the organs and desiccated form. So it’s very interesting to understand. When you have a piece of liver, let’s say you have a piece of liver in your hand. There is a lot of volume to that liver. But if you remove just the water, you only have a lot of powder left in your hand. Not a whole lot. So that powder is desiccated liver.
Now I consider them as food. It’s just that the water has been removed. I don’t like to term them a supplement, because in my mind, supplements are man-made synthesize. They have added ingredients. They don’t extract everything, only at particular element that they want to put into a supplement capsule or tablet. That’s not what desiccated organs are. Desiccated organs are. The actual real raw healthy animal organ, with nothing removed or added except the water. And it’s encapsulated in a bovine cartilage capsule so that the collagen in the capsule is very healthy and beneficial too. So it is all animal-based, no added ingredients, no other chemicals, no preservatives, nothing in it. And it’s easy to take in a capsule form or you can open the capsule and pour the powder on other foods.
So I just opened the capsule. I might put it on my ground beef that I’m eating and eat it that way.
Okay, now and I notice that you have a link to your favorite source on your blog so to the people that are hearing this and they want to find out more about it. Go to Dr. Al’s blog, follow the link and look there. You’re going to see these 11 unconventional treatment protocols.
Another one that I use is the PEMF map.
Oh yeah.
And again, I noticed that you have a link to it and I followed it and it’s like, “Oh, that’s where we got ours from.” So tell us about that and how you use it.
Paul’s electromagnetic field therapy is fascinating. We are basically electrical being. The reason we function is that we function because many, many frequencies are utilized by our cellular structure and our microbiome to communicate. We communicate chemically with different chemicals that cells produce and throw out to talk to other cells. But they also communicate with electrical frequencies. And electrical frequencies allow us to literally energize some parts of our body.
For example, there are batteries in ourselves. Every cell in our body, except maybe a red blood cells, have these battery cells, they’re called mitochondria. Some cells have two or three hundred mitochondria per cell. Some cells that are working hard, like the heart, they have four or five thousand mitochondria per cell. That’s quite a bit as a big battery supply.
But if those batteries are weakened, if the mitochondria is weakened, that cell doesn’t function well, and that creates chronic disease and cancer, there are ways to re-energize those cells. Just like you can get rechargeable batteries, you can put them in a rechargeer, and all of a sudden the battery becomes full power again. So, most electromagnetic field therapy has the potential to recharge the mitochondria, as well as improve the cell membranes, so that ions can move back and forth really through that cell membrane with, well, putting good nutrients into the cell, and removing some junk that has to come out of the cell.
I get it. And I notice that you mentioned you have three sessions a day, sometimes, and the first two are different than the last one.
Yeah, well, they are a little different because generally when I wake up in the morning, I would want a more energized type of frequency pattern. And then during the day, it could be similar. But when I go to sleep in night, I want to be more relaxed. So there is a frequency pattern that puts you in more of a parasympathetic mode to help rebuild your body and relax your body. So that’s those are the three different elements that I use.
And that’s actually the only frequency that I use at the end of the day.
For me, it’s funny. In my life, I get to talk to people like you. And I go around getting all charged up. And I’m in this continuous sympathetic fighter flight excited kind of state. And at the end of the day, I want to wind down. And I’ll set it for the longest cycle, which I forget of its 30 minutes, sir. But I only make it about halfway through. And then I’m done. I’m like, I’m relaxed. I’m breathing in my, you know, parasympathetic, ready for bad state and absolutely love it.
Well, when I go to bed, the way I do it is, you know, the timer can automatically turn itself off. So I just said it for the time when I’m going to sleep and I may fall asleep and it’s still on. And then it just turns itself off.
Yeah, I don’t manually.
Well, I don’t have that luxury. I’m sharing mine with my wife, so we have it on the lazy boy chair.
Oh, I getcha. I understand.
Yeah, so I actually have to get out and go to bed, but…
I understand.
Now, we actually have a similar favorite source of probiotics. You know, I recently had Dr. Tom Bain from…
Oh, sure. I got it.
On my show to help us understand a wide behind the soil sports, but you have an unconventional way of taking your probiotics. And I’m probably from a period don’t just perspective, tell us about that.
Life’s spoken to Karan Krishnan, who’s a chief microbiologist at microbiome labs. And he and I kind of agree this could be a good idea. This has never been tested by the way, but it makes sense to me.
The spores in Megastore, Bayotic. There are five different spores in that capsule. The spores have a tendency to attach themselves to biofilm, but a biofilm in the mouth is actually dental plaque. And it’s another subject but dental plaque is healthy until it’s not healthy. You do not want to remove healthy dental plaque in your mouth. And I’ll tell you again, do not remove healthy dental plaque in your mouth. It is there for a purpose. We can go into that later.
But interestingly, the spores would have the tendency to attach themselves to the dental plaque. So my thinking is open the capsule. Put the powder the two capsules into a jar, cover whatever you’re going to drink from. Put maybe a teaspoon or so of water in it. Swish it around a little bit, doesn’t melt. It just makes the spores go into a suspension. And then, swish it in your mouth. Swish it for a minute, maybe even gargle it and then swallow it.
What I am accepting of the idea is that these spores will attach to the dental plaque, and they benefit the health of the bacteria and the dental plaque. There is, I would say approximately 200, 300 different species of bacteria in dental plaque, maybe it’s beneficial.
When you gargle, it may be also beneficial to coat the mucus membranes of your esophagus or your throat as your gargling.
And then, if you swallow it, you don’t have to worry about the capsule trying to dissolve. It’ll disperse immediately. They are resistant to the stomach acid and immediately it goes into a small intestine and then eventually into the rest of the gut. So you’re going to get all the benefit there. I am thinking that you have added dental benefit by swishing and gargling and swallowing rather than just swallowing the capsule. So that’s what I do every night.
And it kind of makes sense to me too, because if we think about the soil spores and how we got them originally in our diet where we, you know, eight vegetables off the ground or whatever it was, you know, chances are as we were, you know, eating things with these soils spores and then they went in our mouth first, they weren’t encapsulated, protected from our mouth. So it makes sense to me.
What else, and you know, we’re not, we don’t need to go through all 11 points extensively, we’ll be here for a while, but what on that page do you think is significant that people need to realize what’s different, you know, hey, come check out this page and and get them and make sure that you’re applying the things to your life that you should be.
Well, certainly diet is critical, and you mentioned nutrient dense. Yes, you want to eat foods that have many, many nutrients per calorie of food. Basically, that’s what nutrient density is all about.
And animal based diet fits the bill. And animal based diet is not necessarily 100% animals, different people need different things. I would say at least 70% of the foods that you’re eating by volume should be animal based. And then 30% or less may be plant-based, but remove all the plants that have high oxalace electons and phytase with the, which are the anti-nutrients. As I mentioned, which means removes the nuts, removes the seeds, removes most of the vegetables, some of the fruits are okay.
Raw honey is also very okay, depending on what glucose or carbohydrate amount that you want to eat, because, but I believe, is that you want to be metabolically flexible, meaning that you’re eating and staying in ketosis without much carbohydrate in your body, so that you’re a fact burner, the majority of a week. And then for a couple days, you will add many, many more carbohydrates, maybe from excess raw honey, and or fruits to become a carb burner, because you want to fluctuate or vacilate from using the two basic fuels, which are carbohydrates, and fat for energy, and other purposes in the body. That’s the way our primal ancestor is lived, and I think that’s the way we should function.
So the diet and the way you’re eating is a critical element, and that also includes the water that you’re drinking, should not be just filtered water, which is just dead water. You want to have water either from good natural springs, to have many, many trace minerals, or you’re able to add trace minerals into your water supply, because those minerals are critical for a raw health. All those electrolytes are essential for our health, and hydration of the water. So that all is part of the diet.
The other element, which I think is very, very critical, is to have a healthy gut microbiome, meaning that, of course, a microbiome, products from a microbiome lab, like megasporbiotic, will enhance the diversity of the gut microbiome. What that means is it will improve the different species and number of species that grow in your gut, of bacteria that will crowd out the bad bacteria so that they are not becoming pathogenic. That in and of itself is critical, but also the lining of the gut must be intact, meaning that you don’t have a leaky gut, and if you do have a leaky gut, that needs to be repaired. So the diet is critical, and the healthy gut is critical. So those two are probably two of the most important elements that I put in these protocols that I created.
Yeah, interesting as you talk about that, knowing that you come from an animal-based perspective, I’ve always tried to help people heal their gut first and foremost for strengthening their immune system and having just that strongest, when it comes to strength and life and who’s the most fit, I think of survival of the fittest, and who would survive in the wild, and what would that strength and endurance, and how would your fight or flight system operate? Animal foods are going to be a definite part of that, and in those, you know, the cartilage and all those cosy means and can join in, it’s not only the things that are good for our joints and being anti-arthritic, you know, but also a very gut healing. So absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, I am curious when you talked about your water, I read somewhere about the molecular hydrogen. Are you using the Paul Barataro, he’s echo water?
No, I am using HRW drink. Let’s see hydrogen rich water, HRW. Yeah, drink hydrogen rich water. Boy, molecular hydrogen is amazing. The research goes back over 15 years.
Now, the molecular hydrogen that is clinically effective and efficacious needs to be in a high dose and not continuous. So you’re not drinking hydrogen molecular hydrogen water all day long. You’re drinking it in a big gulp maybe in the morning and another big gulp, you know, the right doses in the afternoon.
The research suggests that it is a phenomenal discriminant antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent. Hydrogen is used in almost every metabolic pathway in our body, very, very critical. And that hydrogen does quite a number of things, but it is a discriminant antioxidant, which means it neutralizes three radicals that are damaging to the body, especially the hydroxyl-free radical, and not neutralizing the free radicals that a body requires to kill all bacteria and do other things.
Unfortunately, most anti-oxidants that you take in supplements, which I’m not fond of, like vitamin C, and vitamin E, are in discriminant antioxidants. They neutralize free radicals, not only the bad ones, but the good ones. You can take too much of these. They can create other problems in the body.
If you were a healthy guy, which I’m not, you know, I got cancer. I get it. But if you were a very, very healthy guy, or gal, and you took molecular hydrogen, it wouldn’t do anything for you. But if you have other chronic issues, that you may or may not be aware of, it can do some phenomenal things. So I am a big proponent of molecular hydrogen.
Wow, that’s neat.
All right, here’s a couple, I think be interesting questions, and maybe a little tough, too. Tell me about quality of life versus extended life.
Ah, so this is what I based my survival on. I have no interest in longevity. Oh, everybody says we want to live 220. I don’t know. My only interest is quality of life.
So what is quality of life? It means that you and I can talk really and and and comfortably via zoom with a clarity of mind. I can think well. I can function well. I think that I can speak well and I can enjoy what we’re doing.
My quality of life would be decreased if I could not raise my hand or head. If I was in such pain that I was being groggy all day long because of narcotics. If my body was deteriorating that I had to be in a wheelchair.
Now I’m not saying these are bad things. This is a decrease in quality of life. My goal is to maintain the highest quality of life that I can. I have, I have, I’m doing a lot of stuff but I could die tomorrow.
So my, my cancer is such that I will die from multiple myeloma. But I am not going to give into multiple myeloma. When the time comes for my organ systems to break down, to stop, to not function properly, I’m ready for that. But I am not going to allow that to happen if I can do things to enhance that quality of life. And I believe then secret to that is to maintain as best or as robust of an immune system as I can for my condition. And that’s where I am now.
And as you’re saying this, you know, I’m also remembering seeing a link on your page, people can actually schedule to have a meeting with you and help you coach through. And that is on your blog. There’s a schedule opportunity. And you are every bit capable as we’re having this meeting right now.
And I’m available. And I do 12 week coaching programs with people all over the world now, which is quite amazing. And you know, it kind of tickles me that I am able to do that. But I have information that seems to be so unique.
I only connect the dots. Everything that I do is not necessarily been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. But I do use a lot of dots that haven’t proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. And when I connect them, they make sense to me. And I have the broad view of if it was good, if it was efficient for our primal ancestors, to get to where they have been and our primal ancestors, we are the result of that. If we have that ability, we don’t want to change that and say, “I have something better.”
Our DNA, our creator, has created us with certain abilities if we only give our body what it needs, but never never give it what it doesn’t need. And hopefully you can avoid those things. So this is all based on a quality life and my ability to kind of put it together.
That’s beautiful. You’ve authored some books and you’ve created your blog. What’s your most important piece of work that you’ve accomplished as well?
Well, I wrote the Better Belly Blueprint which is a very short ebook right now that is basically a animal-based diet, 70% animal-based foods, 30% plant-based foods to provide and support a strong immune system.
But I have another book that’s coming out that’s called eat as if your life depends on it, which actually is going to summarize the reason why we as humans have evolved to where we are. And my concept of metabolic flexibility being to be able to be a fat burner as well as a car burner and support my immune system along those lines. So those are exciting.
There are other things that I’ve written that are there, but you know the whole thing I have so many topics that are right about. It’s all on my blogs that are free. I mean you can download any blog that you want. Just search for a word and any blogs that are right about those topics will pop up.
Now I think your answer to this next question is going to strike a chord with a lot of people because they haven’t gotten to this point yet. So if you look back in your, well, I’ll let’s in your life going back as far back as you want. I know that you’ve made some changes along the way. What do you wish you did differently?
Well, when you’re 75 years old, there may be a few things that you want to do differently. The interesting thing is, I believe that I have multiple myoloma from the exposure of two very, very toxic elements in my dental training. So I’m in dental school for four years and two years graduate school after that, especially of parodonic, which is gum disease.
We were exposed dentists were exposed and their papers that have been written about this. We were exposed to low-dose ionizing radiation continuously. Low-dose ionizing radiation are dental x-rays. Now dental x-rays are not the problem if you go to a dentist every so often to see what’s going on your mouth. But if you were a dental student and you’re around x-ray machines that are going on and off and you’re not protected about from the radiation, you’re exposed thousands and thousands of times greater than anybody else would be exposed.
And it has been shown that this continuous lotus ionizing radiation exposure can cause one plasma cell to become malignant. Now my disease is a disease of malignant plasma cells. If I have one plasma cell that becomes malignant and my immune system for whatever reason doesn’t kill it all or that cell doesn’t kill itself all by a process called apoptosis. That cell can then become can start to multiply and become a disease that manifests decades later and that’s what I have, multiple myeloma, four to 40 plus years after dental school.
The other toxic element is free mercury. In dental school we played with free mercury in our hands like kids play with later and the free mercury is highly toxic. It’s an element that’s using dental maelgums that I don’t recommend for anybody to have in their mouths because of free mercury but I’m exposed to it all the time.
So free mercury and or this constant radiation exposure, low dose ionizing radiation exposure, could have caused my cancer.
What I would have done differently? Oh I guess I would not have gone to dental school because all dental schools did what I was exposed to. That’s the only thing that I would eliminate it from my life.
Everything else, I don’t have any regrets. I mean I made some terrible decisions in life, but we all have, but the interesting thing is, if you make some bad decisions, but you learn from them, the the product of that is a better you. And I think that I’m learning from cancer tremendously. I think I’m a better person with much, much more knowledge today than I was when I was diagnosed in 2018.
So, you know, there are downsides to everything. Anybody listening that has a terminal illness or a severe medical condition, I will tell them that even how bad it is, you can do something to improve it mentally, biologically, physically. There are different things you can do to to to whether the storm, but still understand and don’t be in denial, but understand. This is maybe something that’s predestined and I do have a very strong spiritual feeling, I don’t. I’m not religious, but I have a strong spiritual feeling in our soul and we can get into that in a very long discussion if you wanted some time.
That’s beautiful. What would you like to most be remembered for some day?
I would like to be remembered for helping people understand that there is hope in whatever they’re doing. If they’re not doing well physically, mentally, you can improve your situation and I would like to be remembered as a person that was strong enough to convince people to be resilient and have faith in what they do and maybe faith in a higher being that is there to guide them.
Yeah, you know and seeing you today and seeing your energy and the like that’s in you and the joy in your eyes and the smile on your face. It is a beautiful thing and you’re taking that challenge in your life and using it to help others. So wow what a beautiful thing.
Thank you.
You could have just you know given up and said it’s not worth it and and you know road hospice out years ago and thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And thank you for being on my show.
Thanks for the opportunity.
All the listeners. Again look for links below the video, in the podcast description, check out Dr. Danningberg.com to get more great information from Dr. Ralph. I’ll specifically link to your 11 un-conventional cancer protocols. Some of the things that we talked about, the PMF, Matt, the organ supplements and you know, there’s links to all of those sources on your blog. And they’re the very same things that I use in my life, most of them. I have the learn. I have to finish that page out and learn from others. So thank you for even putting that together for us.
Thank you. Thank you for the last community.

